Time to create our own Political Party

ILoveYourVibes

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I dunno.

Only 2012 and we had too many houses.

What happened in 6 years to cause a housing shortage?

We didn't have too many houses in 2012. People could not afford them. So the market shrunk by necessity. A liquidity issue. It wasn't based on population etc.

Now people have the means to buy. Or at least I think that is the reason.

ILoveYourVibes

Can we legalize Drugs and Hookers ?

Wheeliebin30

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I think Social Democrats could be a real alternative. They just need more people to get on board and get their voices heard.

They are the only ones I feel have potential and capability to make real change happen. The rest are fairly populist with no substance, same as what we have in power really.

One thing is for sure, I would love to see the day when both FF and FG are on single figure seats. They are absolutely shambolic in their modern forms.

Standing by a bogus asylum seeker for election?

No thanks.

ILoveYourVibes

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Standing by a bogus asylum seeker for election?

No thanks.

I still like her though.

Beechwoodspark

Just on that poll yesterday I’m not at all surprised varadkar popularity has plummeted

In fact I’m more surprised that he was ever popular in the polls in the first place

I don’t think I know one person who likes him

ChikiChiki

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just on that poll yesterday I’m not at all surprised varadkar popularity has plummeted

In fact I’m more surprised that he was ever popular in the polls in the first place

I don’t think I know one person who likes him

All sounbites with no substance behind the mealy mouthed words. People have copped on.

Atoms for Peace

Other than Simon Coveney I can't think of a single politician any more capable then Varadkar.

The Rape of Lucretia

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just on that poll yesterday I’m not at all surprised varadkar popularity has plummeted

In fact I’m more surprised that he was ever popular in the polls in the first place

I don’t think I know one person who likes him

Thats the problem with drawing conclusions from a small sample base. You must move in very restricted circles.
Roughly one in two people do like him. i.e. every second person in the country does like him.

Dempsey

The civil servants have it all sewn up, the politicians are the face of their incompetence

Beechwoodspark

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Thats the problem with drawing conclusions from a small sample base. You must move in very restricted circles.
Roughly one in two people do like him. i.e. every second person in the country does like him.

No, as part of my job I travel widely around Ireland and talk to small business owners (retail shops like spar etc) and customers on a daily basis.

I must say varadkar was never popular among the public. Certainly outside Dublin. Maybe d4 types in affluent parts of Dublin like him I dunno?

I found the so called popularity he had in the polls to be puzzling.

Kivaro

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Standing by a bogus asylum seeker for election?

No thanks.

The Irish tax payer is currently supporting her, and she has previous form for being a liar and con-artist (in her asylum application).
Yep, she would be a perfect Irish politician.

The Social Democrats have no integrity after allowing this Malawian to continue to run for them after a review last week.
A vote for the Social Democrats is a vote for a party who condone cheating and lying in the asylum process.

Nobelium

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Would you agree there is a housing shortage?

in Dublin or in Ireland ?

The Rape of Lucretia

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What is the solution?

Difficult to say. Education mainly. Without a better understanding of politics, and how a country is run, people will remain distracted by personalities. The interest in such things as the approval rating of the Taoiseach for example, or new parties with new slogans or personalities, has nothing to do with solving the issues facing people. Polls, or the idea that different parties, or leaders, will change anything is an almost X-factor game show, that is a distraction from the real issue. While people are in thrall to the cosmetics, they have no chance of understanding the core issue, and voting correctly.

A more radical reform of the political process could also possibly be helpful, or even necessary to jar Ireland to a better politic - the elimination of the idea of non-aligned or independent candidates, and of small parties, for example, would provide a more stable long term political direction. Small parties and independents, less than serving no purpose, harm the ability of the Dail to form stable governments.

Ireland doesnt have politics as such. It has no sides in the debate, and the politics of all parties is essentially the same. Ireland is a very homogenious society. The parties are certainly identical if they are in power, as the same type of people, faced with the same decision, will take the same actions. They struggle to carve out any identity of difference at all, and so rely on personality contest, childish sniping, or exploiting trivial 'issues' to try to land punches on each other and maintain a contest between them. Politically, 140+ of Irish TDs are fully aligned in each Dail and always have been. The artificial flag allegiance and undergrad type competition between factions is barely skin deep.
People falling for the punch and judy show between them, perpetuates the syndrome, and the poor outcomes that result.

Shefwedfan

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Would you agree there is a housing shortage?

Ireland has plenty of houses.

The problem is those houses are not in the location that people want.....

Towns and villages around Ireland are dying because people are moving out of them and leaving houses vacant.

Capt'n Midnight

€3Bn for rural broadband ?

You could nearly buy Eir for that , was worth €3.5 Bn last time it changed hands, if you could sell it for more than €0.5 Bn at the end of the rollout happy days.



€15 K per home ?

You could save a fortune by giving OAP's a few grand to sign a waiver that they didn't want BB ever.

Then offer the rest 5G or satellite for a couple of hundred, but charge them €70-90 a month to discourage uptake.

It's a license to print money.

Wheeliebin30

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

€3Bn for rural broadband ?

You could nearly buy Eir for that , was worth €3.5 Bn last time it changed hands, if you could sell it for more than €0.5 Bn at the end of the rollout happy days.



€15 K per home ?

You could save a fortune by giving OAP's a few grand to sign a waiver that they didn't want BB ever.

Then offer the rest 5G or satellite for a couple of hundred, but charge them €70-90 a month to discourage uptake.

It's a license to print money.

And when the OAPs die what happens to the new house owners.

Your post is exactly what stops Ireland from moving forward and progressing.

Old diesel

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

€3Bn for rural broadband ?

You could nearly buy Eir for that , was worth €3.5 Bn last time it changed hands, if you could sell it for more than €0.5 Bn at the end of the rollout happy days.



€15 K per home ?

You could save a fortune by giving OAP's a few grand to sign a waiver that they didn't want BB ever.

Then offer the rest 5G or satellite for a couple of hundred, but charge them €70-90 a month to discourage uptake.

It's a license to print money.

And when the OAPs die what happens to the new house owners.

Your post is exactly what stops Ireland from moving forward and progressing.

What happens is that you wind down the rural community.

You decide that it's too expensive to keep going.....

The comment of deliberately pricing at a level that DISCOURAGES uptake points to a direction.

As an aside I've read in recent days that 5 G actually still needs fibre to the mast

Capt'n Midnight

Old diesel wrote: »

What happens is that you wind down the rural community.

You decide that it's too expensive to keep going.....

The comment of deliberately pricing at a level that DISCOURAGES uptake points to a direction.

As an aside I've read in recent days that 5 G actually still needs fibre to the mast

How much to the telco's charge for Fibre these days ?
It ain't free.


The point is only subsidise the rollout. And only to people prepared to pay for the normal cost of using the service. Siro and Eir should have numbers of the % of people who take the service where it's available. AFAIK it's €15,000 subsidy per premises so it''ll be a lot more per installed customer who goes active.

The private company is investing Less than €0.2 Bn and getting €5Bn in state aid ?


As for 5G one Fibre to a mast could service a small valley. If masts have line of sight to each other then no extra fibre needed.



Taken to it's logical extend you'd be considering Solar/wind powered masts, just drop them off by helicopter.



SpaceX and other companies are doing LEO satellite broadband so lots less latency and 1,000's of satellites so lots more bandwidth.
Starlink, OneWeb, Iridium etc.


Or use tethered balloons.

Shefwedfan

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

And when the OAPs die what happens to the new house owners.

Your post is exactly what stops Ireland from moving forward and progressing.

Go back over posts, I already discussed this.


My house and all my family live in different rural areas in Ireland. Boggers we are :P all of us are part of this waste of money.

Anyway a small investment in each house has provided very good broadband via connection to 4g mobile network. Even a max of 500 euro per house would put a very sophisticated system in place.

They would be better off putting in a mobile connection for 500, then use the other 14500 to stick solar panels onto the house....

Then the investment might be worth it and as per your requirements move Ireland forward.....

Capt'n Midnight

NBP preferred bidder to be responsible for €2.4bn of cost

Richard Bruton said how that money is provided is up to National Broadband Ireland (NBI) but it could be generated through equity and user charges.

In short the punters who actually sign up will have to pay back up to €2.4Bn for this eventually.

If they were borrowing at 4% (say) that would be €96m a year just to cover the interest costs.

There's just over half a million premises , so €200 a year per premise to cover the financing costs.

There are more farmers aged over 80 than under 35. Rural populations are older. If only one if five signup then it could be a grand each per year to just cover the loan. Nevermind paying for the network itself.

ILoveYourVibes

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

NBP preferred bidder to be responsible for €2.4bn of cost

In short the punters who actually sign up will have to pay back up to €2.4Bn for this eventually.

If they were borrowing at 4% (say) that would be €96m a year just to cover the interest costs.

There's just over half a million premises , so €200 a year per premise to cover the financing costs.

There are more farmers aged over 80 than under 35. Rural populations are older. If only one if five signup then it could be a grand each per year to just cover the loan. Nevermind paying for the network itself.

OH MY GOD! WHO IN THIS GOVT THOUGHT THIS WAS BUSINESS SAVVY SERIOUSLY?

REGINA DOHERTY?? THE WOMAN WHO BANKRUPT HER OWN COMPANY?

bodhrandude

How about the Aphex Twin Political Party. :D:D:eek:

ILoveYourVibes

bodhrandude wrote: »

How about the Aphex Twin Political Party. :D:D:eek:

Perfect.

Shefwedfan

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

NBP preferred bidder to be responsible for €2.4bn of cost

In short the punters who actually sign up will have to pay back up to €2.4Bn for this eventually.

If they were borrowing at 4% (say) that would be €96m a year just to cover the interest costs.

There's just over half a million premises , so €200 a year per premise to cover the financing costs.

There are more farmers aged over 80 than under 35. Rural populations are older. If only one if five signup then it could be a grand each per year to just cover the loan. Nevermind paying for the network itself.

They also brush over the fact ESB withdrew.....


ESB withdrew because the government done a under the table deal with Eir(Eircom) so they go to supply all the easy customers and make a healthy profit. Then Eir left all the difficult customer to whoever wanted them....