Tommy Robinson campaigning for election to EU parliament - Mod warning in OP

gaelwave

Thread in AH had been closed as it is more suited to this forum.

Tommy Robinson is running as a candidate in the EU elections later this month. He is running as an independent in the North West constituency.

I personally think he has a great chance at election and I hope he gets to Brussels and shakes things up a bit.

His campaign hasn't got off to the best start he was assaulted 3 times in Warrington yesterday and supporters of his attacked protesters on the streets.


https://twitter.com/RealDannyTommo/status/1124225239557267457?s=19

https://twitter.com/RealDannyTommo/status/1124074323407507462?s=19

I'm going to allow this thread a chance to be constructive. If people just want to fire barbs at each other as happened in After Hours, this thread will be locked. Please ensure that:

• You make your arguments in your own words
• You do not just post links to tweets, videos and articles
• You do not make digs at other posters
• You refrain from calling people, including Tommy Robinson names as this is just childish
• You refrain from soapboxing and engage with other posters

ancapailldorcha

Mod: This is a forum for serious discussion. Please make your points in your own words instead of just posting tweets and videos.

GinAndBitter

Remember Pim Fortuyn,it started with him getting egged and ended with him getting a bullet in the head.The Brit police need to get control of this and jail the scum from both sides that are assaulting people.

Hurrache

gaelwave wrote: »

I hope he gets to Brussels and shakes things up a bit.

So tell us why you think that, what needs to be shaken up in the EU by someone like him, and which of his policies in particular do you agree with and like to be seen implemented across Europe?

mcmoustache

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Remember Pim Fortuyn,it started with him getting egged and ended with him getting a bullet in the head.The Brit police need to get control of this and jail the scum from both sides that are assaulting people.

Funnily enough, assaulting people is one of the things that Tommy has been convicted of.

Specifically, assaulting an off-duty cop who intervened to stop wee Tommy assaulting his girlfriend.

GinAndBitter

mcmoustache wrote: »

Funnily enough, assaulting people is one of the things that Tommy has been convicted of.

Specifically, assaulting an off-duty cop who intervened to stop wee Tommy assaulting his girlfriend.

I know about that yeah.My point still stands.Scumbags assaulting people in the middle of a town centre is not on.

I get the feeling the violence only bothers you when Tommy and his supporters are dishing it out.

gaelwave

Hurrache wrote: »

So tell us why you think that, what needs to be shaken up in the EU by someone like him, and which of his policies in particular do you agree with and like to be seen implemented across Europe?

I know little and care less about his actual policies.
He will be a dissenting voice in Brussels and more people like that are needed over there.
Too many yes man in Brussels.

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98q76e12hrflnk

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I know about that yeah.My point still stands.Scumbags assaulting people in the middle of a town centre is not on.

I get the feeling the violence only bothers you when Tommy and his supporters are dishing it out.

Yeah the police need to take it way more serious for both sides especially some of the assaults videos i've seen yesterday. More so for TR as he is running as a candidate. Cant have people assaulting candidates.

I think he will get into the MEP, he definitely has enough support to challenge strongly.

Hurrache

gaelwave wrote: »

I personally think he has a great chance at election and I hope he gets to Brussels and shakes things up a bit.

gaelwave wrote: »

I know little and care less about his actual policies.
He will be a dissenting voice in Brussels and more people like that are needed over there.
Too many yes man in Brussels.

Sums up the problem of some of the electorate. Clueless as to the policies (although I'm quite sure you're in agreement with his stance on immigrants) of the person they're advocating for, and can't say what their problem is with the EU.

You've been brainwashed by soundbites.

Hurrache

declan2693 wrote: »

I think he will get into the MEP, he definitely has enough support to challenge strongly.

What policies do you think draws the support you say is there? And what difference do you think he can make in the EU?

GinAndBitter

declan2693 wrote: »

Yeah the police need to take it way more serious for both sides especially some of the assaults videos i've seen yesterday. More so for TR as he is running as a candidate. Cant have people assaulting candidates.

I think he will get into the MEP, he definitely has enough support to challenge strongly.

The violence is not on, it wouldn't be tolerated if that were any other candidate out campaigning. The police would go in mob handed and make arrests. They were a complete no show yesterday.

The tolerant lefts mask is definitely slipping.

stefanovich

The police in the UK have an ongoing campaign of harassment against Tommy. They deliberately put him in danger and deliberately put his family in danger. It's a disgrace.

Hurrache

So from what I can gather, nobody can talk about what they'd like changed in the EU and how Stephen Yakley-Lennon can make the EU better for us?

It's really just a very thinly veiled effort of continuing the thread from AH isn't it?

stefanovich

Hurrache wrote: »

So from what I can gather, nobody can talk about what they'd like changed in the EU and how Stephen Yakley-Lennon can make the EU better for us?

It's really just a very thinly veiled effort of continuing the thread from AH isn't it?

He is not afraid to speak out about issues that affect and concern a lot of people who are not represented by the political establishment. This brings more balance and more democracy, even if you disagree with him.

gaelwave

Hurrache wrote: »

Sums up the problem of some of the electorate. Clueless as to the policies (although I'm quite sure you're in agreement with his stance on immigrants) of the person they're advocating for, and can't say what their problem is with the EU.

You've been brainwashed by soundbites.

I'm all for controlled immigration from outside the EU.
Do you have a particular candidate you have in mind for a seat in that constituency?

Hurrache

stefanovich wrote: »

He is not afraid to speak out about issues that affect and concern a lot of people who are not represented by the political establishment. This brings more balance and more democracy, even if you disagree with him.

So tell us the issues that you agree with and what you think he can do for you, in Europe?

What problems do you currently have with the EU that you think he's a remedy for?

Hurrache

gaelwave wrote: »

I'm all for controlled immigration from outside the EU.

Oh, so you're currently in agreement with existing EU policy?

stefanovich

Hurrache wrote: »

So tell us the issues that you agree with and what you think he can do for you, in Europe?

What problems do you currently have with the EU that you think he's a remedy for?

Tackling extremism.
Uncontrolled immigration.
Police corruption.
Media corruption.
Attacks on Christian places of worship.

SoundsRight

I'd like to see him get elected. The working class in Britain don't have many people fighting their corner, what with a Tory government and a hard-left opposition.

Hurrache

stefanovich wrote: »

Tackling extremism.
Uncontrolled immigration.
Police corruption.
Media corruption.
Attacks on Christian places of worship.

He is an extremist. But you know all these are being tackled already don't you? What can he do better, in the EU?

GinAndBitter wrote:

....you're not the only one asking questions...

Ah, the age old tactic of when you don't have answers, ask an unrelated question yourself and refuse to further back up your claims or statements from that point on.

gaelwave

Hurrache wrote: »

Oh, so you're currently in agreement with existing EU policy?

If you want to continue firing questions at posters have the decency to answer a question yourself when asked. I asked you if you had any particular candidate in mind for a seat in that constituency?

Hurrache

gaelwave wrote: »

If you want to continue firing questions at posters have the decency to answer a question yourself when asked. I asked you if you had any particular candidate in mind for a seat in that constituency?

I'm not the one saying he can mix it up in Europe and saying there's issue with the EU as it is that he can resolve.

Enough of the whataboutery. You started the thread advocating for his election and can't offer one single argument as to why.

It's up to you to back up your statement and claims.

98q76e12hrflnk

Hurrache wrote: »

He is an extremist. But you know all these are being tackled already don't you? What can he do better, in the EU?

In what way is he an extremist?

gaelwave

Hurrache wrote: »

I'm not the one saying he can mix it up in Europe and saying there's issue with the EU as it is that he can resolve.

Enough of the whataboutery. You started the thread advocating for his election and can't offer one single argument as to why.

So I'll take it it's just you allowed to ask the questions around here.

I'll try once more, do you have a particular candidate in mind for a seat in that constituency?

Hurrache

gaelwave wrote: »

So I'll take it it's just you allowed to ask the questions around here.

Simple debating for you.

You make a statement, start a thread on it, back up your initial claim. Secondary school stuff.

There's at least 3 of you here, and between you you can't highlight an EU policy that you think he can fix, or any of his policies that he can 'mix it up' with.

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Mancomb Seepgood

Yaxley-Lennon has a lengthy criminal record for assault and fraud.Why anyone would give such a person their vote is beyond me,although I suspect it's because he sticks it to the Muslims and they like it.

Hurrache

SoundsRight wrote: »

I'd like to see him get elected. The working class in Britain don't have many people fighting their corner, what with a Tory government and a hard-left opposition.

Out of their 78 MEPs, the UK currently has 14 members of the Brexit Party, 3 UKIP, 19 Labour and only 18 conservatives.

The working class in Britain are far from under represented in the EU.

GinAndBitter

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

Yaxley-Lennon has a lengthy criminal record for assault and fraud.Why anyone would give such a person their vote is beyond me,although I suspect it's because he sticks it to the Muslims and they like it.

Any chance you got provide a link to this lengthy criminal record you claim he has.

Mancomb Seepgood

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Any chance you got provide a link to this lengthy criminal record you claim he has.

Summary here: https://www.the-round.co.uk/charges-on-tommy-robinson-rap-sheet/

That's quite a chequered history for someone running for public office.Maybe you disagree but I'd rather vote for candidates with a clean rap sheet.

stefanovich

Hurrache wrote: »

He is an extremist. But you know all these are being tackled already don't you? What can he do better, in the EU?

Have you actually spent the time to listen to him speak recently. His address to the Oxford union is a good starting point. No way is he an extremist. And no, Europe is absolutely not addressing these issues.

Hurrache

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Any chance you got provide a link to this lengthy criminal record you claim he has.

Convictions for

• violence
• financial fraud
• immigration fraud
• drug possession
• public order offences (plural)
• contempt of court
• threatening and abusive behaviour for football violence at Luton

Custodial sentences for

• assault of a Police Officer. Hardman Yaxley-Lennon was attacking a woman when the police intervened.
• assault of a man at a different occasion.
• using false travel documentation
• mortgage fraud

GinAndBitter

Hurrache wrote: »

Convictions for

• violence
• financial fraud
• immigration fraud
• drug possession
• public order offences (plural)
• contempt of court
• threatening and abusive behaviour for football violence at Luton

Custodial sentences for

• custodial sentence for assault
• custodial sentence for using false travel documentation
• custodial sentence for mortgage fraud

Sources please?

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Sources please?

Google.com

It's fairly handy to find and is the general football hooligan rap-sheet, but with added mortgage and identify fraud.

https://www.the-round.co.uk/charges-on-tommy-robinson-rap-sheet/

Chips Lovell

Chips Lovell wrote: »

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yoursaviour1989

It is pretty lengthy for anyone, let alone a person who is running for office.
Can't imagine there's too many MEPs banned from entering the USA.

super_furry

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jul/25/english-defence-league-founder-brawl

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25862838

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9785724/EDL-leader-jailed-for-being-illegal-immigrant-after-entering-US-on-friends-passport.html

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-why-jailed-court-14721419

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-13784285

GinAndBitter

super_furry wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jul/25/english-defence-league-founder-brawl

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25862838

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9785724/EDL-leader-jailed-for-being-illegal-immigrant-after-entering-US-on-friends-passport.html

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/tommy-robinson-why-jailed-court-14721419

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-13784285

So 5 convictions in total is that correct?

mcmoustache

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Sources please?

It's all public information. The stuff that happens in courts in terms of trials and sentencing is all available to the public.

mcmoustache

GinAndBitter wrote: »

So 5 convictions in total is that correct?

That's 5 more than decent people who manage to go their entire lives without once getting arrested.

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

So 5 convictions in total is that correct?

No there's more, particularly for contempt of court, I just got bored doing your research for you.

GinAndBitter

super_furry wrote: »

No there's more, particularly for contempt of court, I just got bored doing your research for you.

Why should I research claims made by other people that's not how this site works you should know that.

FreudianSlippers

GinAndBitter wrote: »

So 5 convictions in total is that correct?

4 convictions for assault, one of which on a police officer; 3 fraud; 1 attempting to enter USA using false documentation; 1 possession of a controlled substance; 2 (and sort of a half as he remedied the contempt) contempt of court.

stefanovich

You also need to bear in mind that a lot of the trouble he gets into is a direct result of his political campaigning and activism and could be argued is evidence of a politically motivated police force and criminal justice system.

His last prison stretch he was moved to a prison with a large muslim population and then put into solitary confinement on the ground floor "for his own safety".

Due to the amount of excrement that was posted through his window it got boarded up. So now it's solitary confinement with no natural light.

This was all done on purpose to break him.

GinAndBitter

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

4 convictions for assault, one of which on a police officer; 3 fraud; 1 attempting to enter USA using false documentation; 1 possession of a controlled substance

Petty stuff. Who cares anyway. He's going to Europe whether any of yous like it or not.

FreudianSlippers

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Petty stuff. Who cares anyway. He's going to Europe whether any of yous like it or not.

They were almost all indictable offences for which he spent time in jail. So, not "petty" in the slightest.

ancapailldorcha

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Petty stuff. Who cares anyway. He's going to Europe whether any of yous like it or not.

Banned. Any more trolling will be met with the same. We've issued no end of warnings.

FreudianSlippers

stefanovich wrote: »

You also need to bear in mind that a lot of the trouble he gets into is a direct result of his political campaigning and activism and could be argued is evidence of a politically motivated police force and criminal justice system.

His last prison stretch he was moved to a prison with a large muslim population and then put into solitary confinement on the ground floor "for his own safety".

Due to the amount of excrement that was posted through his window it got boarded up. So now it's solitary confinement with no natural light.

This was all done on purpose to break him.

Even if I accepted (which I do not) that the assault convictions were a result of so-called "political campaigning and activism", how does that at all apply to the remainder of the convictions?

98q76e12hrflnk

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Even if I accepted (which I do not) that the assault convictions were a result of so-called "political campaigning and activism", how does that at all apply to the remainder of the convictions?

There are very few clean politicians are can see from our own country but its just so happens he is going against government which is why its highlighted to a higher degree.

FreudianSlippers

declan2693 wrote: »

There are very few clean politicians are can see from our own country but its just so happens he is going against government which is why its highlighted to a higher degree.

I can't think of any other politician that has been convicted of similar offences and jailed; can you please let us know to whom you're referring?
I also re-iterate, how is possession of a controlled substances, attempting to travel under fake documents and mortgage fraud "going against government" - other than in a "rage against the machine" type fashion?