Silence of the Wolves - A Game of Werewolf GAME THREAD

tusk

Sorry, stawbs munch...

Clarabel

tusk wrote: »

This is based on a gut feeling I had already. Plus the fact that I can't see any logic in the strawbs munch. It feels like a lone wolf panicking and going after someone who's recently put in a lot of work, rather than strategically picking off an unlikely mislynch, which I expect a seasoned wolf would have done.

I feel like as a new player I probably would have made the same mistake, and I don't think any of the other players are as new as you and I.

You say I'm your number 1 suspect. Can you elaborate, other than the fact that I've been calling you out lately? I've been on the winning side of votes for two wolves now and have been clearly stating my reasons up until the latest vote which we all did blind.

Because you've been calling me out with bull basically.

tusk

Clarabel wrote: »

Because you've been calling me out with bull basically.

How is this defending yourself? if you're really a villager, then try to defend yourself legitimately...

tusk

Can we get an ordered reads list from everyone please?

Bounty Hunter

tusk wrote: »

Clara is my first choice, followed by GnR, followed by BH.

I can't for the life of me understand why any of the wolves would bus each other twice. Especially qb and skunk being the first ones on tric.

I know I'm a villager and my reads are legit, so their votes mimicing mine make them absolute villagers in my mind. and If they're not then I Hate them and this game!

Because she is the only person other than G&R (I too know I am a villager) that wasn't involved in two wolf kills she is the most likely to have been involved in bussing a team mate so if it was someone other than G&R she would be next in line as far as my thinking stands atm.

She is defensive like a wolf too for example her reaction to me calling her out over stating on thread she would just go along with others, like a wolf trying to blend in, putting me on her FFA with a WTF.

I would say however as a new player i'd applaud her game if she was the wolf as at least on thread she would have carried the wolf team with the inactivity of Digi and Tric.

my order right now would be

1. G&R
2. Clara
3. QB
4/5. The Skunk / Tusk

tusk

Looking forward to QB and Skunk weighing in on this!

quickbeam

Okay, I'm home. I'm at the laptop.

My initial reads are as follows:

--Wolfiest--
Clara
Bounty
GnR
Tusk
Skunk
QB
--Villageriest--

But, the great thing about Triceratops' lynch, apart from the obvious catching a wolf, is that we have good data to work off, that we'd really been sorely missing from Digi's lynch.

I'm gonna have a look back at her interactions with the other five remaining players, and report back, and perhaps amend the above based on findings.

quickbeam

Rather than reinventing the wheel, I'm going with Strawbs' work. I've added in links for the posts she was referring to. This is a stripped down version and includes only the Triceratops pairings and excludes the pairing with myself because (a) I know I'm not her partner, and don't want to waste my time and (b) it'd be biased so if anyone else wants to do the work of mine and her pairings then feel free.

PAIRING|Discussed other than game incl gifs|discussed mechnics ie: what's ISO|Discussed actual game|good leans|bad leans|null
Bounty & Triceratops|||3243, 538, 541, 544, 590, 591, 594, 974, 1953, 2452, 2463, 2473, 2846, 2914, 3103, 3114||1757, 1960, 1987|
Clarabel & Triceratops|413, 550, 2468, 2479||2144, 2688, 2698, 2771, 2774, 3214, 3215, 3231||671, 1990, 2461, 2548|1764, 2153
Green & Triceratops|413, 421, 427||517, 971, 1402, 1828, 2317, 2436, 2438, 2466, 2647, 2650, 2695, 2699, 2701, 2704, 2710, 2715, 2717, 2721, 2742, 2859, 2864, 2898, 2905, 2909, 2915, 3060, 3148, 3149||2029, 2647, 2898, 2984, 3100|2204
TheSkunk & Triceratops|413, 422||2724, 3189|||1183
Triceratops & Tusk|413|510|2853, 2857, 2865, 2866, 2887, 3050, 3053, 3054, 3236|1216, 1795|2016|2932

I'll work through the posts of each player in turn and see what comes up.

quickbeam

quickbeam wrote: »

PAIRING|Discussed other than game incl gifs|discussed mechnics ie: what's ISO|Discussed actual game|good leans|bad leans|null
Bounty & Triceratops|||3243, 538, 541, 544, 590, 591, 594, 974, 1953, 2452, 2463, 2473, 2846, 2914, 3103, 3114||1757, 1960, 1987|

538 - Her reply to Bounty saying he had no read of her. Defensive, says she said she'd not be around for the weekend. Neutral, potential but unlikely wolves arguing for show.

541 - He calls her out on her defensiveness considering she wasn't even on his FFA

544 - defends her defensiveness that she'd expected a slow-burner game (editorialising here, but if I was to guess, knowing her, I don't think her absences were a wolf strategy)

590 - she replies to his request for FFAs

591 - same

594 - he replies

974 - she replies to sKeith who noted that Bounty hadn't followed up with her on getting in her FFAs

1757 - Bounty's reads list. Puts her in the "wouldn't be shocked if wolf" category (along with villagers Kolido, Duff and Barney and unknown Clara)

1953 - Bounty lists her in a second tier level of suspicions (after villagers Strawbs and sKeith in the first tier, and with villagers Cross and Duff)

1960 - Bounty includes her in a "Bad feeling about" list with Duff and Fixxxer

1987 - Again, Bounty names her as a potential wolf among others

2452 - Response to Bounty asking why the non-Digi5 didn't vote with the Digi5. Her response was that it was an eeny meeny miney moe between Digi and Cross.

2463 - He briefly includes her in his sorted list of players as sixth wolfiest (of 14)

2473 - Bounty's FFA does not include her, says giving her the benefit of the doubt

2846 - Bounty's first post after Ecto's munch, mentions Triceratops is the only one left of the quiet ones. Puts her joint third on suspicions list

2914 - Bounty responds to her about a post she made to GnR - must come back to this, it's a weird exchange between the three of them and not sure I understand it.

3103 - Bounty defends my attack on her, saying that low poster is not necessarily a wolf. Says she's third on his list.

3114 - He maintains he still doesn't have much of a feel for her.

3243 - In a post mostly aimed at accusing Strawbs, he calls Triceratops a non-boat-rocker (and Clara too), who he thinks might be Strawbs' wolf teammate. Mentions she got the last vote on the Kolido lynch.





Conclusion: Most of the above were Bounty's posts mentioning Triceratops. If it was a Triceratops post it was directly quoting Bounty rather than her including him in her suspicions. He accused her, but fairly softly, and even half-defends her at one point. It has the potential that they were teammates. But until I do the other player combos I'll not state definitively where I'll rank him.

quickbeam

quickbeam wrote: »

2914 - Bounty responds to her about a post she made to GnR - must come back to this, it's a weird exchange between the three of them and not sure I understand it.

Here's the exchange that I found a bit confusing. Weirdly, GnR's original post was much longer (click on the quote bit to go to it and see if you need to) but both Bounty and Triceratops snipped it to include just the bit below before adding their comments.

Green&Red wrote: »

Green&Red - Called out Strawbs very heavily, much could cause a second fire on her? Lets face it I'm on the verge of a bandwagon permanently, or at least thats how it feels. Most people have me leaning wolf but would happily believe I'm a wolf come lynchtime. I'd say the wolves believe I could be an easy lynch for them. Also maybe I'm barking up the wrong trees

In response to GnR's post above:

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Do most people have him leaning wolf? Did not expect G&R to be that defensive at this moment.

In response to GnR's post above:

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

The question is why are you alive! If you think you're alive cos you're barking up the wrong tree and the tree you're barking up is the "TB is a wolf tree" what does that tell you?!!

FWIW I think I'm alive cos I'm a low poster, I'm the ideal scapegoat, I don't believe in bandwagons so I won't join them unless I truly believe they're working against the interest of the village.

In response to Triceratops' post above:

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

tbh until you highlighting it I doubt anyone would think of you first if G&R was munched. Mostly because of one post but he has been most linked to another person

Anyway, before I get bogged down at the first fence with Bounty, I'm gonna park that and go on to the next combo.

Clarabel

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Because she is the only person other than G&R (I too know I am a villager) that wasn't involved in two wolf kills she is the most likely to have been involved in bussing a team mate so if it was someone other than G&R she would be next in line as far as my thinking stands atm.

She is defensive like a wolf too for example her reaction to me calling her out over stating on thread she would just go along with others, like a wolf trying to blend in, putting me on her FFA with a WTF.

I would say however as a new player i'd applaud her game if she was the wolf as at least on thread she would have carried the wolf team with the inactivity of Digi and Tric.

my order right now would be

1. G&R
2. Clara
3. QB
4/5. The Skunk / Tusk

Thanks thanks.....not me though. There is no ways I'd have the capacity to carry it off.

You'll all be glad to know I've had a human day! Sleep last night, limited work today.

Clarabel

tusk wrote: »

How is this defending yourself? if you're really a villager, then try to defend yourself legitimately...

I've already responded to each of your bull posts though. I really feel like you have bias towards me, you think I'm a wolf therefore every thing I say and do is wolf like.

I suspect I think you're a wolf because you're targeting me, probably same as BH.

LadySkunk

Sorry guys I’m in work, busy busy day but will catch up and give my thoughts when I’m off later

Bounty Hunter

Best I can guess is:

G&R was being extra defensive and claiming he could be bandwagoned. I didn't think that many people had actually been on him and asked if I was incorrect on that. TB confusingly gets involved trying to claim that the reason G&R thought he was still alive was cos he had made bad reads and that a bad read would be her as a wolf. I wasn't sure if she was suggesting G&R had been calling her out as a wolf or trying to get a wagon going on her but thought he was more connected to Strawbs at the time than he was to TB.

quickbeam

quickbeam wrote: »

Clarabel & Triceratops|413, 550, 2468, 2479||2144, 2688, 2698, 2771, 2774, 3214, 3215, 3231||671, 1990, 2461, 2548|1764, 2153
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413 - Triceratops queries correct pronoun of different players including Clara

550 - Clara responds

671 - Triceratops' first and only reads list on the low posters. Comments on Clara forgetting about the game, says she had two FFAs and voted twice both times for players not on her FFA

1764 - Clara's read on Triceratops - no opinion

1990 - Clara includes Triceratops in her "bad feeling about" read

2144 - Clara asks what a flip on Triceratops would tells and defends her "careful about what I say" post.

2153 - a Skunk post, shouldn't belong here I presume

2461 - Clara's gut feeling reads: strongly calls Triceratops out as wolf. This was 13/5 so early on Day 4. By end Day 4 (14/5) she votes for GnR

2468 - Triceratops calls Clara out on the weird symbol in her posts

2479 - Answer from Clara

2548 - Clara calls Triceratops suspect and she would happily vote for her 2688 - Triceratops replies to Clara's question to Ecto about voting outside her FFA. Triceratops says that they had a conversation about it two days ago (hardly a "conversation"??!! #671 merely mentions it and Triceratops never followed up on it - maybe it was in the back room?)

2698 - Clara responds that she went back and looked and that she voted per her third FFA

2771 - Clara responds to me saying that I'm voting for Triceratops, saying she could get behind this (14/5, just over 30 minutes until Fixxxer mislynch)

2774 - Again says she'd go with Triceratops in lynch

3214 - Triceratops calls Clara out for saying she voted Kolido but actually voting Strawberry

3215 - Same

3231 - Triceratops says she'll spat with Clara. Last mention so obviously doesn't.


Conclusion: Clara's words speak heavily against a Triceratops team, but her actions aren't consistent.

tusk

I don't know how to do the linky links, but here's it with QB in there.

QB i get your reasons for not keeping yourself in there, but it looks bad from the outside. Looks like you're trying hide something...

Hasn't changed my list though.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

PAIRING Discussed other than game incl gifs discussed mechnics ie: what's ISO Discussed actual game good leans bad leans null
Bounty & Triceratops 3243, 538, 541, 544, 590, 591, 594, 974, 1953, 2452, 2463, 2473, 2846, 2914, 3103, 3114, 1757, 1960, 1987,
Clarabel & Triceratops 413, 550, 2468, 2479, 2144, 2688, 2698, 2771, 2774, 3214, 3215, 3231, 671, 1990, 2461, 2548, 1764, 2153,
Green & Triceratops 413, 421, 427 517, 971, 1402, 1828, 2317, 2436, 2438, 2466, 2647, 2650, 2695, 2699, 2701, 2704, 2710, 2715, 2717, 2721, 2742, 2859, 2864, 2898, 2905, 2909, 2915, 3060, 3148, 3149, 2029, 2647, 2898, 2984, 3100, 2204,
TheSkunk & Triceratops 413, 422, 2724, 3189, 1183,
Quickbeam & Triceratops 1403, 1576, 1587, 1589, 1749, 2097, 2106, 2108, 2122, 2160, 2230, 2615, 2651, 2689, 2690, 2691, 2694, 2697, 2703, 2707, 2714, 2784, 2787, 3000, 3035, 3109, 3220, 3222, 3224, 3225, 3227, 3228, 3229, 3230, 3232, 3233, 3235, 3237, 1958, 2064, 2766, 2988, 3151, 911,
Triceratops & Tusk 413 510 2853, 2857, 2865, 2866, 2887, 3050, 3053, 3054, 3236, 1216, 1795, 2016, 2932,

quickbeam

Sh!t Table fail

Bounty Hunter

Clarabel wrote: »

I've already responded to each of your bull posts though. I really feel like you have bias towards me, you think I'm a wolf therefore every thing I say and do is wolf like.

I suspect I think you're a wolf because you're targeting me, probably same as BH.

Only 1 person is a wolf. I know if anyone thinks you are a wolf you would immediately get defensive against them but only you know you are not a wolf. The rest really should suspect everyone else including you. If someone suspects me I can't blame them. I have G&R no.1 now but tbh apart from knowing im good I can't prove anyone wrong for suspecting me as things stand. Think you can understand people who were directly involved in (voted for) the death of 2 wolves being the only ones less suspicious than you in my list.

tusk

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

Best I can guess is:

G&R was being extra defensive and claiming he could be bandwagoned. I didn't think that many people had actually been on him and asked if I was incorrect on that. TB confusingly gets involved trying to claim that the reason G&R thought he was still alive was cos he had made bad reads and that a bad read would be her as a wolf. I wasn't sure if she was suggesting G&R had been calling her out as a wolf or trying to get a wagon going on her but thought he was more connected to Strawbs at the time than he was to TB.

FWIW, I agreed with BH on this and posted at the time saying I didn't think GnR was in danger.

Clarabel

Bounty probably good, I really hope good. He hasn't run from questions. At no point went quiet when the going got tough. I thought strawbs voted for him yesterday though. Given I'd been working with little sleep I've nothing to back that up. I'm going with village.

GnR I've actually never really properly suspected here. Just used his name to get reaction. Now. I have many option and will likely do a separate post, but I might run out of time and CBA.

Tusk/Skunk - I get the digi5 and the trit4. strawberry had these two in her could be pair with TB. Then the wolf voted to avoid waganomics.

Skunk - shrugs. Dunno. Not enough data. Totally my fault. I've suspected on and off a bit.

Tusk- I don't like her conclusions and either my read is me being defensive or her trying as a wolf to pin me. I don't know which one it is. I was convinced it was her and QB but that theory has gone up in smoke.

QB. I don't understand why strawbs voted here. Of the pairings there weren't any valid ones with QB in it. I don't think QB and TB needed the bus. I think there was enough mislynch potential else where. That said bussing TB exactly gives this line of thinking and that could mean a guaranteed win if QB is cleared....


Clara - I understand why you think I'm wolf. I've made mistakes. I really hope I don't kill it for the village however of we have a mislynch (I can't recall numbers) opportunity I think you should vote me to get rid of the doubt. There's too much doubt about.

Conclusion.....I don't know. I just don't know. I feel I've only really engaged properly today. I've been skimming and quickly reacting previously.

tusk

Clara, you're my number 1 suspect. That doesn't mean I'm not open to being swayed by evidence. However, I'm targeting you heavily at the moment, and if you get lynched and flip green, I'd fully expect the group to go directly for me, meaning if I'm a wolf, the game is lost for the wolves.

tusk

Some RL chat - Doggo is ok. Xrays showed no major damage. Just on anti-biotics and anti-inflamatories now thankfully.

Clarabel

tusk wrote: »

Clara, you're my number 1 suspect. That doesn't mean I'm not open to being swayed by evidence. However, I'm targeting you heavily at the moment, and if you get lynched and flip green, I'd fully expect the group to go directly for me, meaning if I'm a wolf, the game is lost for the wolves.

But you haven't told me why you're targeting me, specifically. I've told you exactly why I've thought you including my doubts.

Clarabel

tusk wrote: »

Some RL chat - Doggo is ok. Xrays showed no major damage. Just on anti-biotics and anti-inflamatories now thankfully.

Is he home with you too x

tusk

Clarabel wrote: »

Is he home with you too x

yeah picked her up about an hour ago. she's limping loads, but they said it would be pretty sore for at least three days.

Clarabel

Tomorrow is T is work. I doubt I'll be around much and I've no idea what time I'll be back in the evening.

If what you're saying is right....if I go green .. every will go after you then we need to clear each other as much as possible tonight. You okay to try?

Clarabel

Clarabel wrote: »

Tomorrow is T is work. I doubt I'll be around much and I've no idea what time I'll be back in the evening.

If what you're saying is right....if I go green .. every will go after you then we need to clear each other as much as possible tonight. You okay to try?

So my suggestion is take my reads. Ignore and and ignore you and tell me what you think about the others please

tusk

This is dependant on you getting more than my vote ofc. But I am happy clearing anyone that it makes sense to. I won't have a lot of time tonight though

Also, work is gonna be pretty tight tomorrow, so I'll likely only be one intermittently for catching up and then maybe from 8.30ish

Clarabel

tusk wrote: »

This is dependant on you getting more than my vote ofc. But I am happy clearing anyone that it makes sense to. I won't have a lot of time tonight though

Also, work is gonna be pretty tight tomorrow, so I'll likely only be one intermittently for catching up and then maybe from 8.30ish

Ofc?

tusk

of course