Farmers should be forced to cut their emissions

friendlyfun

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

Allinall

friendlyfun wrote: »

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

I actually thought it was the cattle.

Every day is a school day.

JustJoe7240

friendlyfun wrote: »

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

You’re a taxman? What’s that like?

lfc200

Ration the amount of beans that a farmer can consume in your grand plan?

EmmetSpiceland

I heard something about mixing seaweed into cattle feed and that is supposed to stop them farting so much.

Anyone know anything about it?

Does it work for humans too?

Noveight

Farmer-bashing, a bright new future for AH.

buried

Class. The day that the taxman will suffer is finally here. Thank the carbon methane f**k

_Brian

Farms sequester carbon into soils which has of yet not been recognised but is being studied. Actually Australia are probably ahead of everyone on this drive.

Gas that people want to tackle agriculture yet Ryanair with their €10 flights to boozy destinations are hailed as hero’s.

It should be €10 a day to bring any vehicle inside the M50. That would be a decent way to cut Ireland’s emissions while allowing us to produce food to keep the ungreatfull dicks alive.

Bobblehats

Pay a thought for farmer brown it can be taxing enough trying to usher a reluctant cow out of the pen without raising a stink

Odelay

friendlyfun wrote: »

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

Farming can only emit the carbon it absorbs. It is carbon neutral at worst. The reason it is penalized is the way the carbon is calculated, it doesn’t allow for the same amount of carbon being absorbed, that’s where is comes from after all.

Effects

_Brian wrote: »

It should be €10 a day to bring any vehicle inside the M50.

I live inside the M50 so I can drive without charge I presume? It's just for people who can't afford to live where I live?

Zelka

The oil and coal barons need something to distract from their products emmissions, so blame it on the cattle, and get the vegan trendies to spread the word.

Pkiernan

Odelay wrote: »

Farming can only emit the carbon it absorbs. It is carbon neutral at worst. The reason it is penalized is the way the carbon is calculated, it doesn’t allow for the same amount of carbon being absorbed, that’s where is comes from after all.

This is almost as poorly thought out as the first post.

rgodard80a

friendlyfun wrote: »

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

Yeah, force the farmer to pay.
Then they raise their prices, which are passed on you instead.
I see no flaw in this plan.

TheValeyard

rgodard80a wrote: »

Yeah, force the farmer to pay.
Then they raise their prices, which are passed on you instead.
I see no flaw in this plan.

Plan? He has a plan?

I thought it was just this:

Odelay

Pkiernan wrote: »

This is almost as poorly thought out as the first post.

Little steps

Grass absorbs carbon
Cattle eat grass (and the carbon)
Cattle emit the carbon
Cattle slaughtered and eaten
More grass grows and absorbs carbon
Rinse and repeat.

Cattle don’t just magically create carbon. Like humans don’t magically create carbon, it comes from the food we eat and we expel it when we breathe.

rgodard80a

No point in trying to explain anything to the OP.
That's a job for the Irish education system to try first.

paw patrol

farming feeds us. it should be the very last thing to be taxed.
plenty more luxuries out there to curtail - not tax cos I believe most tax is theft as it's wasted on utter sh1te

Seth Brundle

Odelay wrote: »

Little steps

Grass absorbs carbon
Cattle eat grass (and the carbon)
Cattle emit the carbon
Cattle slaughtered and eaten
More grass grows and absorbs carbon
Rinse and repeat.

Cattle don’t just magically create carbon. Like humans don’t magically create carbon, it comes from the food we eat and we expel it when we breathe.

Sounds like we need to ban grass!

jmayo

paw patrol wrote: »

farming feeds us. it should be the very last thing to be taxed.
plenty more luxuries out there to curtail - not tax cos I believe most tax is theft as it's wasted on utter sh1te

Like trying to educate people like the OP.

TheValeyard

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Sounds like we need to ban grass!

But places have only begun to legalise it :eek:

kneemos

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I heard something about mixing seaweed into cattle feed and that is supposed to stop them farting so much.

Anyone know anything about it?

Does it work for humans too?

It needs to be synthesised for Mass production,made cheap enough that farmers will buy it,and then somehow ensure they use it.

Your Face

This neither friendly nor fun.

Thelonious Monk

I think something like 90% of our beef is exported. We have 7 million cattle in Ireland and that is increasing. So we have way more than we could ever need. Ideally we'd take back some of the land and plant some native trees, or "rewild" the land. Currently we have a massive beef farm with no trees as our country. It's a dirty industry as is. Not all of us eat beef or dairy either, so they're not feeding me.

zapitastas

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think something like 90% of our beef is exported. We have 7 million cattle in Ireland and that is increasing. So we have way more than we could ever need. Ideally we'd take back some of the land and plant some native trees, or "rewild" the land. Currently we have a massive beef farm with no trees as our country. It's a dirty industry as is. Not all of us eat beef or dairy either, so they're not feeding me.

Beef is not such a dirty industry as is reliant on a large number of small holders. The issue is with the huge increase in dairy farming since the removal of quotas. I agree though, it would be great to see sustainable subsidies to farmers to revert land back to native forests. Would aid tourism and leisure activities into the future

Mad_maxx

zapitastas wrote: »

Beef is not such a dirty industry as is reliant on a large number of small holders. The issue is with the huge increase in dairy farming since the removal of quotas. I agree though, it would be great to see sustainable subsidies to farmers to revert land back to native forests. Would aid tourism and leisure activities into the future

Easy way to make that happen

Guarentee forestry subsidies for the duration of the forests maturity period, currently it's fifteen years, needs to be three times that

Thelonious Monk

zapitastas wrote: »

Beef is not such a dirty industry as is reliant on a large number of small holders. The issue is with the huge increase in dairy farming since the removal of quotas. I agree though, it would be great to see sustainable subsidies to farmers to revert land back to native forests. Would aid tourism and leisure activities into the future

I wasn't thinking about tourism for a second. It doesn't have to be about money all the time although that's all that seems to matter in Ireland. It's just wrong for the whole island to be a farm. We have hardly any national parks or woodland cover.
How about we just leave some of the country alone and let it replenish. If you google river pollution in Ireland it's just shocking, the amount of spillages and toxic waste that gets into our rivers, farming is often involved.
When I was a kid in the 80s there were so many different types of bees and insects that we used to collect in jars. These are all disappearing.
Salmon aren't coming back to spawn here any more. Would you blame them!

zapitastas

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I wasn't thinking about tourism for a second. It doesn't have to be about money all the time although that's all that seems to matter in Ireland. It's just wrong for the whole island to be a farm. We have hardly any national parks or woodland cover.
How about we just leave some of the country alone and let it replenish. If you google river pollution in Ireland it's just shocking, the amount of spillages and toxic waste that gets into our rivers, farming is often involved.
When I was a kid in the 80s there were so many different types of bees and insects that we used to collect in jars. These are all disappearing.
Salmon aren't coming back to spawn here any more. Would you blame them!

Well if the livelihoods of those currently engaged in farming is going to change then there needs to be alternatives. Tourism doesn't have to be about Americans jetting in. Can be people in cities and towns getting out for a spot of fishing, climbing, kayaking, biking

SEPT 23 1989

Good man

Attack the only export we excel in on the world stage

Thelonious Monk

zapitastas wrote: »

Well if the livelihoods of those currently engaged in farming is going to change then there needs to be alternatives. Tourism doesn't have to be about Americans jetting in. Can be people in cities and towns getting out for a spot of fishing, climbing, kayaking, biking

Fair enough but it would be decades before any wilderness reappeared in Ireland probably.
The health of our land and environment is more important than some unemployed farmers in my view, and there are plenty of opportunities in Ireland.

Nothing is going to change however, so no one need worry.

Thelonious Monk

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Good man

Attack the only export we excel in on the world stage

do you think we should just keep growing the beef and dairy industry indefinitely?

SEPT 23 1989

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Fair enough but it would be decades before any wilderness reappeared in Ireland probably.
The health of our land and environment is more important than some unemployed farmers in my view, and there are plenty of opportunities in Ireland.

Nothing is going to change however, so no one need worry.

What do you do for a living may I ask?

Thelonious Monk

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

What do you do for a living may I ask?

What has that got to do with anything?

silverharp

yeah make irish farmers grow kidney beans and make almond milk

SEPT 23 1989

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything?

Everything

You seem to have no problem putting farmers and their families on the scrap heap

What do you do in life?

Thelonious Monk

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Everything

You seem to have no problem putting farmers and their families on the scrap heap

What do you do in life?

If we had coal mines or a massive plastic industry in Ireland I'd be against that too.
I like fish but I gave it up because the oceans are f*cked. If I had my way we'd stop fishing in our waters for a decade. Some fishermen would be out of work too, but it's for the greater good.

Do you think we should keep growing the beef and dairy industry? To what extent?

If you must know, I teach piano, and other music related things, hence the name.
Over the years I've worked as a chef, a labourer... all sorts.

SEPT 23 1989

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If we had coal mines or a massive plastic industry in Ireland I'd be against that too.
I like fish but I gave it up because the oceans are f*cked. If I had my way we'd stop fishing in our waters for a decade. Some fishermen would be out of work too, but it's for the greater good.

Do you think we should keep growing the beef and dairy industry? To what extent?

If you must know, I teach piano, and other music related things, hence the name.
Over the years I've worked as a chef, a labourer... all sorts.

You need to sort yourself out

Live in the here and now

Stop worrying about things that probably will never happen and you have no control over

Thelonious Monk

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

You need to sort yourself out

Live in the here and now

Stop worrying about things that probably will never happen and you have no control over

Er ok. Thanks.

Hobosan

Say we cut the amount of beef being eaten or force farmers to produce less. Then what? Well I'll tell you what, Varadker will take the remaining cows and form a government with them, as is his nature, then we will have a dictatorship like you have never seen before.

You won't have time to enjoy the environment when slogans like 'Mooove aside humans' become the norm. No siree.

Nekarsulm

Effects wrote: »

I live inside the M50 so I can drive without charge I presume? It's just for people who can't afford to live where I live?

Well that's the way the motor tax system was worked.
You can only afford an early 2008 diesel Avensis? Pay 700+ a year motor tax.
You can afford a 2009 diesel Avensis? Pay 390 a year motor tax.
Exact same engine and emissions in both.

Nekarsulm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think something like 90% of our beef is exported. We have 7 million cattle in Ireland and that is increasing. So we have way more than we could ever need. Ideally we'd take back some of the land and plant some native trees, or "rewild" the land. Currently we have a massive beef farm with no trees as our country. It's a dirty industry as is. Not all of us eat beef or dairy either, so they're not feeding me.

Current livestock census shows bovine numbers at 6.7 million, an increase of 0.9 % over 2016 numbers.
Headlines proclaim "massive dairy expansion" but fail to mention that in order for this to happen, beef cow numbers are shrinking .
Especially since beef cattle are being bought by meat factories from farmers at below the cost of production in most cases.
This is not sustainable, especially since inflation is chewing away at the value of the SFP paid to support farmers by Brussels.

LionelNashe

kneemos wrote: »

It [seaweed] needs to be synthesised for Mass production,made cheap enough that farmers will buy it,and then somehow ensure they use it.

I think we can go further than that and just synthesise meat from stem cells. Maybe dairy too. There'd be huge environmental benefits. Unused agricultural land could be returned to a wild state.

buried

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Fair enough but it would be decades before any wilderness reappeared in Ireland probably.

There will never be any "wilderness" back up in here, even if people who want to see this scenario and remove the farmers off the land, the powers that govern this island will never allow the land to be turned into some sort of wilderness tree reserve. The climate here is made for grass growth. Highly rich land. If by some crazy chance the farmers and the rural community were actually removed, the government would just hand the land over to large corporations for those outfits to farm the rich land on a huge ranch size corporate effort. Which would result in worse emissions and far more devastation. At least present day farmers have hedges for the wild birds and other wildlife to exist in. That won't happen if some monsanto like entity takes it over. They'll just farm every single square inch of the rich soil. Be careful what you wish for.

boggerman1

friendlyfun wrote: »

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

Why don't u feck off and hug a tree or go vegan crap.farmer and proud to be and we do care about the environment.every industry has its problems.

Nekarsulm

LionelNashe wrote: »

I think we can go further than that and just synthesise meat from stem cells. Maybe dairy too. There'd be huge environmental benefits. Unused agricultural land could be returned to a wild state.

Don't worry, the big chemical and pharmaceutical conglomerates are way ahead of you.
Look at the recent Lancet report, paving the way for chemically engineered meat and paid for by a pair of Swedish hotel billionaires in conjunction with a Saudi Prince, both parties with extensive interests in just such conglomerates.

Gunmonkey

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If we had coal mines or a massive plastic industry in Ireland I'd be against that too.
I like fish but I gave it up because the oceans are f*cked. If I had my way we'd stop fishing in our waters for a decade. Some fishermen would be out of work too, but it's for the greater good.

Do you think we should keep growing the beef and dairy industry? To what extent?

If you must know, I teach piano, and other music related things, hence the name.
Over the years I've worked as a chef, a labourer... all sorts.

Want to make this change to the Irish farming industry? Then start paying more for your food!

Farmers get screwed by factories and stores for costs every day. You think its reasonable to buy a net of onions or bag of carrots for 49c? Make it so growing crops is a better return for farmers and you could see more switch from meat/dairy.

Farmers, like everyone else, will go where the money is best. Shop exclusively at farm stores or at farmers markets. Make these reliable revenue streams for farmers. Incentivize them to switch to tillage rather than force them out like you want! Or is that bad as now you will now be disadvantaged with paying more and cant be having that, now can we!

You want a lovely, wooded Ireland....even if its by forcing farmers off their land (for the greater good, of course!). Fine...be the model for it: level your house, plant a bunch of saplings in the site and live on the street! Its for the greater good so I cant see you objecting to it! Also, dont charge for music lessons anymore: why should Irish musical culture be gated by you demanding money? For the greater good lets spread more of our proud Irish musical heritage to all!

(And for the record, between my family having about 15% of our land as forestry and personally planting dozens of trees as new hedges or orchards, Ive done far more to advance your cause than yourself......so....catch up!)

uck51js9zml2yt

I agree with the op.
Stick a cork up the ass of every cow.that will sort out those smelly beasts.

Pero_Bueno

What about rich tossers driving around in massive SUVs that they don't need OP ?

_Brian

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Easy way to make that happen

Guarentee forestry subsidies for the duration of the forests maturity period, currently it's fifteen years, needs to be three times that

Absolutely..
But only on native forestry and only for continuous canopy managment..


Not another € should be paid on stika spruce plantation, its the nuclear detanation of forestry.. dirty, dark, lifeless forestry producing cheap nasty timber.

Feisar

Gunmonkey wrote: »

Want to make this change to the Irish farming industry? Then start paying more for your food!

Farmers get screwed by factories and stores for costs every day. You think its reasonable to buy a net of onions or bag of carrots for 49c? Make it so growing crops is a better return for farmers and you could see more switch from meat/dairy.

Farmers, like everyone else, will go where the money is best. Shop exclusively at farm stores or at farmers markets. Make these reliable revenue streams for farmers. Incentivize them to switch to tillage rather than force them out like you want! Or is that bad as now you will now be disadvantaged with paying more and cant be having that, now can we!

You want a lovely, wooded Ireland....even if its by forcing farmers off their land (for the greater good, of course!). Fine...be the model for it: level your house, plant a bunch of saplings in the site and live on the street! Its for the greater good so I cant see you objecting to it! Also, dont charge for music lessons anymore: why should Irish musical culture be gated by you demanding money? For the greater good lets spread more of our proud Irish musical heritage to all!

(And for the record, between my family having about 15% of our land as forestry and personally planting dozens of trees as new hedges or orchards, Ive done far more to advance your cause than yourself......so....catch up!)

I agree food is too cheap however it's not a choice nine times out of ten between beef or crops, it's the type of land that decides.

RobertKK

Will the vegans help eat all the cattle that are needed to be killed to reduce methane emissions? Or are they just all talk about the environment those who go vegan for climate reasons but then don't plan on doing anything to reduce cattle numbers, cattle will need to be killed to reduce overall numbers. Should existing cattle be denied a sex life because they breed more cattle when they want sex and they want a baby which they want? To me that would be animal cruelty.

tl/dr: Vegans are not eating cattle which helps increase emissions from cattle, and promote animal cruelty by wanting cattle who want a sex life and offspring to be denied it.