Farmers should be forced to cut their emissions

friendlyfun

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

Allinall

friendlyfun wrote: »

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

I actually thought it was the cattle.

Every day is a school day.

JustJoe7240

friendlyfun wrote: »

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

You’re a taxman? What’s that like?

lfc200

Ration the amount of beans that a farmer can consume in your grand plan?

EmmetSpiceland

I heard something about mixing seaweed into cattle feed and that is supposed to stop them farting so much.

Anyone know anything about it?

Does it work for humans too?

Noveight

Farmer-bashing, a bright new future for AH.

buried

Class. The day that the taxman will suffer is finally here. Thank the carbon methane f**k

_Brian

Farms sequester carbon into soils which has of yet not been recognised but is being studied. Actually Australia are probably ahead of everyone on this drive.

Gas that people want to tackle agriculture yet Ryanair with their €10 flights to boozy destinations are hailed as hero’s.

It should be €10 a day to bring any vehicle inside the M50. That would be a decent way to cut Ireland’s emissions while allowing us to produce food to keep the ungreatfull dicks alive.

Bobblehats

Pay a thought for farmer brown it can be taxing enough trying to usher a reluctant cow out of the pen without raising a stink

Odelay

friendlyfun wrote: »

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

Farming can only emit the carbon it absorbs. It is carbon neutral at worst. The reason it is penalized is the way the carbon is calculated, it doesn’t allow for the same amount of carbon being absorbed, that’s where is comes from after all.

Effects

_Brian wrote: »

It should be €10 a day to bring any vehicle inside the M50.

I live inside the M50 so I can drive without charge I presume? It's just for people who can't afford to live where I live?

Zelka

The oil and coal barons need something to distract from their products emmissions, so blame it on the cattle, and get the vegan trendies to spread the word.

Pkiernan

Odelay wrote: »

Farming can only emit the carbon it absorbs. It is carbon neutral at worst. The reason it is penalized is the way the carbon is calculated, it doesn’t allow for the same amount of carbon being absorbed, that’s where is comes from after all.

This is almost as poorly thought out as the first post.

rgodard80a

friendlyfun wrote: »

Think about how much carbon methane etc that they emit. Its absolutely disgusting and it's me the taxman that wilm suffer

Yeah, force the farmer to pay.
Then they raise their prices, which are passed on you instead.
I see no flaw in this plan.

TheValeyard

rgodard80a wrote: »

Yeah, force the farmer to pay.
Then they raise their prices, which are passed on you instead.
I see no flaw in this plan.

Plan? He has a plan?

I thought it was just this:

Odelay

Pkiernan wrote: »

This is almost as poorly thought out as the first post.

Little steps

Grass absorbs carbon
Cattle eat grass (and the carbon)
Cattle emit the carbon
Cattle slaughtered and eaten
More grass grows and absorbs carbon
Rinse and repeat.

Cattle don’t just magically create carbon. Like humans don’t magically create carbon, it comes from the food we eat and we expel it when we breathe.

rgodard80a

No point in trying to explain anything to the OP.
That's a job for the Irish education system to try first.

paw patrol

farming feeds us. it should be the very last thing to be taxed.
plenty more luxuries out there to curtail - not tax cos I believe most tax is theft as it's wasted on utter sh1te

Seth Brundle

Odelay wrote: »

Little steps

Grass absorbs carbon
Cattle eat grass (and the carbon)
Cattle emit the carbon
Cattle slaughtered and eaten
More grass grows and absorbs carbon
Rinse and repeat.

Cattle don’t just magically create carbon. Like humans don’t magically create carbon, it comes from the food we eat and we expel it when we breathe.

Sounds like we need to ban grass!

jmayo

paw patrol wrote: »

farming feeds us. it should be the very last thing to be taxed.
plenty more luxuries out there to curtail - not tax cos I believe most tax is theft as it's wasted on utter sh1te

Like trying to educate people like the OP.

TheValeyard

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Sounds like we need to ban grass!

But places have only begun to legalise it :eek:

kneemos

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I heard something about mixing seaweed into cattle feed and that is supposed to stop them farting so much.

Anyone know anything about it?

Does it work for humans too?

It needs to be synthesised for Mass production,made cheap enough that farmers will buy it,and then somehow ensure they use it.

Your Face

This neither friendly nor fun.

Thelonious Monk

I think something like 90% of our beef is exported. We have 7 million cattle in Ireland and that is increasing. So we have way more than we could ever need. Ideally we'd take back some of the land and plant some native trees, or "rewild" the land. Currently we have a massive beef farm with no trees as our country. It's a dirty industry as is. Not all of us eat beef or dairy either, so they're not feeding me.

zapitastas

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think something like 90% of our beef is exported. We have 7 million cattle in Ireland and that is increasing. So we have way more than we could ever need. Ideally we'd take back some of the land and plant some native trees, or "rewild" the land. Currently we have a massive beef farm with no trees as our country. It's a dirty industry as is. Not all of us eat beef or dairy either, so they're not feeding me.

Beef is not such a dirty industry as is reliant on a large number of small holders. The issue is with the huge increase in dairy farming since the removal of quotas. I agree though, it would be great to see sustainable subsidies to farmers to revert land back to native forests. Would aid tourism and leisure activities into the future

Mad_maxx

zapitastas wrote: »

Beef is not such a dirty industry as is reliant on a large number of small holders. The issue is with the huge increase in dairy farming since the removal of quotas. I agree though, it would be great to see sustainable subsidies to farmers to revert land back to native forests. Would aid tourism and leisure activities into the future

Easy way to make that happen

Guarentee forestry subsidies for the duration of the forests maturity period, currently it's fifteen years, needs to be three times that

Thelonious Monk

zapitastas wrote: »

Beef is not such a dirty industry as is reliant on a large number of small holders. The issue is with the huge increase in dairy farming since the removal of quotas. I agree though, it would be great to see sustainable subsidies to farmers to revert land back to native forests. Would aid tourism and leisure activities into the future

I wasn't thinking about tourism for a second. It doesn't have to be about money all the time although that's all that seems to matter in Ireland. It's just wrong for the whole island to be a farm. We have hardly any national parks or woodland cover.
How about we just leave some of the country alone and let it replenish. If you google river pollution in Ireland it's just shocking, the amount of spillages and toxic waste that gets into our rivers, farming is often involved.
When I was a kid in the 80s there were so many different types of bees and insects that we used to collect in jars. These are all disappearing.
Salmon aren't coming back to spawn here any more. Would you blame them!

zapitastas

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I wasn't thinking about tourism for a second. It doesn't have to be about money all the time although that's all that seems to matter in Ireland. It's just wrong for the whole island to be a farm. We have hardly any national parks or woodland cover.
How about we just leave some of the country alone and let it replenish. If you google river pollution in Ireland it's just shocking, the amount of spillages and toxic waste that gets into our rivers, farming is often involved.
When I was a kid in the 80s there were so many different types of bees and insects that we used to collect in jars. These are all disappearing.
Salmon aren't coming back to spawn here any more. Would you blame them!

Well if the livelihoods of those currently engaged in farming is going to change then there needs to be alternatives. Tourism doesn't have to be about Americans jetting in. Can be people in cities and towns getting out for a spot of fishing, climbing, kayaking, biking

SEPT 23 1989

Good man

Attack the only export we excel in on the world stage

Thelonious Monk

zapitastas wrote: »

Well if the livelihoods of those currently engaged in farming is going to change then there needs to be alternatives. Tourism doesn't have to be about Americans jetting in. Can be people in cities and towns getting out for a spot of fishing, climbing, kayaking, biking

Fair enough but it would be decades before any wilderness reappeared in Ireland probably.
The health of our land and environment is more important than some unemployed farmers in my view, and there are plenty of opportunities in Ireland.

Nothing is going to change however, so no one need worry.

Thelonious Monk

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Good man

Attack the only export we excel in on the world stage

do you think we should just keep growing the beef and dairy industry indefinitely?