How long before Irish reunification?

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

You do realise NI is part of the UK as per the GFA?The apple doesn't fall far from the tree,the close ties between NI and Scotland are unbreakable,Ireland showed its true colours over minor fishing disputes with its bully boy gunboat diplomacy in Dundalk bay which isn't forgotten.

And there seems no close ties between Ireland and eh, Ireland. The north bit.

Seriously?

*i think our ties with Northern Ireland are geologicallly and socially unbreakable.

_blaaz

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

You do realise NI is part of the UK as per the GFA

Its literally part of island of ireland


Like i said it has 200 odd land crossing with the free state....quite how you think having to cross a sea to reach scotland makes it closer is hilarious misunderstanding of basic geography :pac:




Hint mate....land crossing are easier to cross than the sea....why you argue otherwise is beyond me

RobMc59

10-15 years

_blaaz wrote: »

Its literally part of island of ireland


Like i said it has 200 odd land crossing with the free state....quite how you think having to cross a sea to reach scotland makes it closer is hilarious misunderstanding of basic geography :pac:




Hint mate....land crossing are easier to cross than the sea....why you argue otherwise is beyond me

Did you vote in the GFA?to-do you know about the GFA?

_blaaz

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

Did you vote in the GFA?to-do you know about the GFA?

What about the gfa....your running away from your claim that crossing the sea is closer connection than 200 land crossing

How is that

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

Asked you a question rob.

Care to answer?

RobMc59

10-15 years

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Asked you a question rob.

Care to answer?

Was I being serious?-yes .

RobMc59

10-15 years

_blaaz wrote: »

NI is also.part of ireland


Indeed its links are much closer to ireland....the sea seperates it from scotland,whereas theres like 200 odd land crossings with the free state



Why would people want to ruled from westminister :pac:...its one of poorest regions in northern europe....whereas the free state is one of richest countries in the world

Unless your impling people want to be poor

The free state?Wasn't that 80 years ago?
You've got some serious catching up to do!

_blaaz

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

The free state?Wasn't that 80 years ago?
You've got some serious catching up to do!

Nah mate....keep running from your claim.that land connection is less close tham crossing the sea though

:pac: :pac:...

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

Was I being serious?-yes .

One word answer.
Well founded and deeply though out response.

Care to address any of the take downs of your factually inaccurate points?

I’ll Hazard a guess you won’t.

Greyfox

_blaaz wrote: »

Its literally part of island of ireland

Yes but the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland and the Republic recognise that the border is a border separating 2 contrys with different rules and currency. The fact that you think the border shouldn't be there doesn't change the fact that it is there

_blaaz

10-15 years

Greyfox wrote: »

Yes but the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland and the Republic recognise that the border is a border separating 2 contrys with different rules and currency.

Has anyone said otherwise

RobMc59

10-15 years

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

One word answer.
Well founded and deeply though out response.

Care to address any of the take downs of your factually inaccurate points?

I’ll Hazard a guess you won’t.

What is inaccurate about Scotland and NI having close ties or the fact Ireland recognises NI is part of the UK as agreed in the GFA?

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

Greyfox wrote: »

Yes but the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland and the Republic recognise that the border is a border separating 2 contrys with different rules and currency. The fact that you think the border shouldn't be there doesn't change the fact that it is there

The British government such as it is is currently totally ignoring that border. And their responsibility to it.

Read your post again

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

What is inaccurate about Scotland and NI having close ties or the fact Ireland recognises NI is part of the UK as agreed in the GFA?

What is the significance of this 'closeness'? Scotland doesn't have a constitutional aspiration to unite with northern Ireland.

So what if they are 'close'?

Sunny Disposition

15-20 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

I think you fundamentally misunderstand the issue - The ROI voters will not take on a 10 billion a year economic basket case - it matters not a whit what NI wants.

When there is a referendum it will be a formality. The South will vote yes, don’t doubt it for a second. Some will vote no, but not a hope of that number being close 50%.

cameramonkey

20-30 years

What our Orange brethren in the six counties think dosnt really matter they are going to be caught out by seismic shifts in the UK and Europe. They have ridden the wave of British nationalism to the shore of a new dispensation within these Isles. The likely outcome will be a rump of England and Wales in a smaller UK with Scotland independent and most likely a united Ireland in the medium to long term.

The Unionist of the six counties had their day and as the sun sets over the UK they need to have a look at their wee statelet and decide where they are going to go in the next 50 years.

Their love in with the Tories will have only one outcome, they will be dumped for a more attractive model. That alternative model will be freedom from Europe for the Brexiteers. The DUP will be left sitting on the side lines as the Scots strike for independence and the English do a deal with Europe with the six counties trapped in a customs union. The Union of Great Britain and NI has been holed below the water line, the Tories know it, the SNP know it, its just up now to the Orange men to realise that they have been left on a sinking ship. The water is about up to their knees now hopefully they will realise their perilous position before it reaches their neck.

Sunny Disposition

15-20 years

cameramonkey wrote: »

What our Orange brethren in the six counties think dosnt really matter they are going to be caught out by seismic shifts in the UK and Europe. They have ridden the wave of British nationalism to the shore of a new dispensation within these Isles. The likely outcome will be a rump of England and Wales in a smaller UK with Scotland independent and most likely a united Ireland in the medium to long term.

The Unionist of the six counties had their day and as the sun sets over the UK they need to have a look at their wee statelet and decide where they are going to go in the next 50 years.

Their love in with the Tories will have only one outcome, they will be dumped for a more attractive model. That alternative model will be freedom from Europe for the Brexiteers. The DUP will be left sitting on the side lines as the Scots strike for independence and the English do a deal with Europe with the six counties trapped in a customs union. The Union of Great Britain and NI has been holed below the water line, the Tories know it, the SNP know it, its just up now to the Orange men to realise that they have been left on a sinking ship. The water is about up to their knees now hopefully they will realise their perilous position before it reaches their neck.

They have picked the worst possible leadership in recent years too. The DUP needed to make the North a more welcoming place to non Protestants if they wanted to preserve the union. Instead they favorited Brexit, opposes the backstop, opposed gay marriage and opposed an Irish language act. At the exact historical moment their demographic advantage was evaporating. Utter lunacy.

RobMc59

20-30 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

What is inaccurate about Scotland and NI having close ties or the fact Ireland recognises NI is part of the UK as agreed in the GFA?

I wouldn't be getting carried away with this "UK" stuff; it's only in existence in its current format since December 1922, which really is only a very short while ago (all 4 of my grandparents were adults at that time). It will be surprising if it lasts another 5 years. The way some British people go on one would swear the UK has been inviolable for centuries.

RobMc59

10-15 years

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is the significance of this 'closeness'? Scotland doesn't have a constitutional aspiration to unite with northern Ireland.

So what if they are 'close'?

Francie,I understand your still smarting after Leo and Mary Lou`s embarrassing climb downs over Dundalk bay and the"banner" but Ireland would do well to err on the side of caution dealing with Scotland,who knows, an independent Scotland might like the idea of an alliance with their Ulster brethren.

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

Francie,I understand your still smarting after Leo and Mary Lou`s embarrassing climb downs over Dundalk bay and the"banner" but Ireland would do well to err on the side of caution dealing with Scotland,who knows, an independent Scotland might like the idea of an alliance with their Ulster brethren.

Unicorn hunters. See above post.

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

Francie,I understand your still smarting after Leo and Mary Lou`s embarrassing climb downs over Dundalk bay and the"banner" but Ireland would do well to err on the side of caution dealing with Scotland,who knows, an independent Scotland might like the idea of an alliance with their Ulster brethren.

Yet another deflection. Well done Rob.

Pkiernan

What will NI republicans think when they have to pay 10 times the road tax and VRT?

Other than fulfilling the old "when will my rivers run free" dreams, I don't see the purpose of a united 32 counties.

cameramonkey

20-30 years

Pkiernan wrote: »

What will NI republicans think when they have to pay 10 times the road tax and VRT?

Other than fulfilling the old "when will my rivers run free" dreams, I don't see the purpose of a united 32 counties.

It really is embarrassing when you listen to the excuses trotted out by Orange men in the six about all the reason that a United Ireland would be a bad idea. Car Tax and VRT being the latest, next it will be Mars bars are more expensive in the South so no republican could possible want to vote for a united country.


In the past it was all about the Empire and the work ethic of our protestant brethren. Now the cry is our economy is so tiny and we are so unproductive that you cant afford us, this is a truly embarrassing position for the Unionist to be in. I would be ashamed if I was putting forward these positions as a political argument.

Unionist seem to be all about begging for money now, have you no pride in your culture?

Truly embarrassing stuff.

Sunny Disposition

15-20 years

cameramonkey wrote: »

It really is embarrassing when you listen to the excuses trotted out by Orange men in the six about all the reason that a United Ireland would be a bad idea. Car Tax and VRT being the latest, next it will be Mars bars are more expensive in the South so no republican could possible want to vote for a united country.


In the past it was all about the Empire and the work ethic of our protestant brethren. Now the cry is our economy is so tiny and we are so unproductive that you cant afford us, this is a truly embarrassing position for the Unionist to be in. I would be ashamed if I was putting forward these positions as a political argument.

Unionist seem to be all about begging for money now, have you no pride in your culture?

Truly embarrassing stuff.

Unionism is a difficult heritage to be born to, very hard to see something in the Plantation of Ulster to be proud of, or of the treatment of Catholics from partition to 1998.

When you see their leaders scrambling to get something from Brexit, from English people who don’t really value what Arlene Foster considers a ‘precious’ union, you have to feel for unionist adherents. It’s a bit pathetic and I think most unionists know it. It’s never good trying to appeal for love or friendship from someone who isn’t interested.

Btw I know some very nice unionists, its just a v hard heritage to deal with.

RobMc59

10-15 years

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yet another deflection. Well done Rob.

You taught me well francie:)

Stop moaning ffs

10-15 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

You taught me well francie:)

I call you the border issue fox.

You like running around a topic taking occasional shots and not actually answering or addressing anything.

But you have previous for that. Least you’re consistent.

RobMc59

10-15 years

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't be getting carried away with this "UK" stuff; it's only in existence in its current format since December 1922, which really is only a very short while ago (all 4 of my grandparents were adults at that time). It will be surprising if it lasts another 5 years. The way some British people go on one would swear the UK has been inviolable for centuries.

I would`nt expect you not to defend your country and me defending mine should`nt annoy you.I have the greatest respect for Ireland,it`s people and history but if you asked me who was the most important Irish person to die in 1916 I would say Lord Kitchener-because I`m British-seeing things from a different perspective does`nt make me the enemy.

RobMc59

20-30 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

I would`nt expect you not to defend your country and me defending mine should`nt annoy you.I have the greatest respect for Ireland,it`s people and history but if you asked me who was the most important Irish person to die in 1916 I would say Lord Kitchener-because I`m British-seeing things from a different perspective does`nt make me the enemy.

It was merely pointing out that what you might perceive as your "country", the UK as it currently is, is not very old at all and therefore you should expect it, and your current concept of "Britishness", to change once again, this time in the next 3-8 years. Brexiteers recurrently come across as people who don't realise how young the current UK is.

feargale

cameramonkey wrote: »

It really is embarrassing when you listen to the excuses trotted out by Orange men in the six about all the reason that a United Ireland would be a bad idea. Car Tax and VRT being the latest, next it will be Mars bars are more expensive in the South so no republican could possible want to vote for a united country.


In the past it was all about the Empire and the work ethic of our protestant brethren. Now the cry is our economy is so tiny and we are so unproductive that you cant afford us, this is a truly embarrassing position for the Unionist to be in. I would be ashamed if I was putting forward these positions as a political argument.

Unionist seem to be all about begging for money now, have you no pride in your culture?

Truly embarrassing stuff.

Whatever Unionists have been guilty of in the past, like it or not you cannot escape the fact that you are going to need a substantial proportion of them on side to get your United Ireland. It might pay you to treat them with a little more respect than triumphalist posting would indicate.
And you can forget this notion of outbreeding them. It seems that for every newborn Catholic tilting the balance in recent times another Catholic has drifted to Unionism.
The less SF has to say about a UI the more likely it is to happen. But that is a faint hope. SF is now more concerned about its image than about its much vaunted core values as witness a "socialist" party in Ireland which is "business friendly" to its donors in the USA. Imagine the Indonesian military trying to persuade East Timor to rejoin Indonnesia!

markodaly

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Wasn’t trying to goad anyone. Just stating an opinion and facts
Northern Ireland isn’t part of the United Kingdom (also a fact)
No debate about your frankly lazy ‘fat cats’ remark. The scale of ‘fat cats’ in Dublin and London doesn’t need debate. We don’t have millionaires trying to drive our country out of the EU for their own financial benefit.

Fact is the Irish government have done more and worked more in brexit for NI farmers and industry than their UK counterparts, whose responsibility it actually is.


You don’t like what I posted cos you can’t respond. With facts.

Sums up a lot of outright unintelligible nonsense about this thread to be honest.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK)[15] or Britain,[note 10] is a sovereign country located off the north-western coast of the European mainland. The United Kingdom includes the island of Great Britain, the north-eastern part of the island of Ireland, and many smaller islands.[16] Northern Ireland is the only part of the United Kingdom that shares a land border with another sovereign state, the Republic of Ireland.