Antisemitism rising sharply across Europe

Danzy

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Makes Shami Chakrabarti and her "investigation" into Anti-Semitism in Labour look like an even bigger disgrace now. She really should hang her head in shame.

But hey! She got a Damehood instead!

She did the job she was asked to do rather than the one they told the public she was going to do.

Did well out of it.

ILoveYourVibes

DelaneyIn wrote: »

It is mostly muslims doing these things (81% for anything related to violence against jews for example). See this: https://uni-bielefeld.de/ikg/daten/JuPe_Bericht_April2017.pdf

That’s not wrongly “blaming” anyone. That is stating the truth. The issue is due to large scale mass immigration. Denying it is denying reality.

That is in German. Personally i have never encountered anti antisemitism from muslims.

Dohnjoe

Labour suspends NEC member for essentially claiming that the "Joos" were nefariously behind the antisemitic claims in Labour, you couldn't make this up

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/may/31/israeli-embassy-labour-antisemitism-claims-peter-willsman

BalcombeSt4

topper75 wrote: »

If the Romanian jews want to relocate here, they should be given priority as genuine cases ahead of the bogus element in our direct provision centres.

Well then, make sure you don't send them into a loyalist area.



The thing is, these scumbag morons, don't understand a contradiction of being pro-Israel & being a neo-Nazi scumbag at the same time.

BalcombeSt4

100% spot on, I can't talk about the rest of Europe, but this "Labour antisemitism" is bullsh!t because the British ruling elite are afraid of a actual Labour party so they will make up any lies they want.

BalcombeSt4

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

100% spot on, I can't talk about the rest of Europe, but this "Labour antisemitism" is bullsh!t because the British ruling elite are afraid of a actual Labour party so they will make up any lies they want

The ruling elite? I thought the claims were coming from within the party, or is it the part of the party that is part of the ruling elite?

branie2

Awful!

DEFTLEFTHAND

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Trump woke them up and made them brave.

And he's a Nazi is he? The biggest Israeli fanboy on the planet.

The man with a daughter who converted to Judaism .

Chips Lovell

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

1...this "Labour antisemitism" is bullsh!t because the British ruling elite are afraid of a actual Labour party so they will make up any lies they want.

They're the second largest party in Parliament and have had several long stints in government over the past 20 years. If they're not part of the "ruling elite" then WTF is?

silverharp

an Israeli Arab wears a Jewish skull cap around Berlin to show its safe, has the sht kicked out of him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4CANqJHc78

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Chips Lovell wrote: »

They're the second largest party in Parliament and have had several long stints in government over the past 20 years. If they're not part of the "ruling elite" then WTF is?

That’s a party. The establishment is something else.

Dohnjoe

It's the party in power, e.g. Blair's Labour was the "establishment" during that period of tenure

Some partisan types have decided the definition only belongs to one party whether they are in power or not (e.g. in the UK the Tories)

MontgomeryClift

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Never understood the opposition and negative behaviour towards Jewish people. So what happens if two or three Jewish families move into my estate? Like why would some people object? It's not like they have a different skin colour or that they even speak a different language!

So why is the stigma (by some) towards Jewish people? Anyone care to explain....

The reasons occupy a range.

On one end you have simple envy of the innocent Jews. In this narrative, the Jews are gentle, kind, hard-working people whose skill and success in business incites envy in the less successful Gentiles. As more and more money and power are gathered in to the hands of Jews, through no other process than hard work and peaceful co-operation, the poor, stupid Gentiles get angry and kick the Jews out of their country, or burn them by the gazillion and turn them into lampshades. This is a shame, because the best practitioners in every field of endeavour were Jews, and most of the Jews were just ordinary people doing useful jobs, therefore any country that turns them into lampshades will suddenly fail on account of the loss of the Jewish intellect.

On the other end, you have the Jews as a subversive, nepotistic tribe whose members look out for each other while undermining the interests of the larger host culture, and this explains their vast over-representation in parasitic systems of power and influence like government, banking, media, gambling and pornography. You alluded to their ability to fit in, being largely an invisible minority, and this makes things worse, because the Gentiles think of the Jews as fellow white people, while the Jews see the Gentiles as "other." Then the Gentiles suddenly wake up to find their currency is hyper-inflated, their kids are trannies, and their power structures have all been usurped by Jews, so they get angry and boycott the Jews or kick them out of their country, and the Jews exaggerate these events and say that the Gentiles burnt them by the gazillion and turned them into lampshades.

As I said, there's a range between the two viewpoints, and infinite positions exist on that range.

On RTÉ today: Last known survivor of Sobibor Nazi death camp dies

250,000 Jews were exterminated there, in that one, barely known camp. Jesus. The man who just died, Semion Rosenfeld, was 96 and had been a member of the Red Army who had been sent there as a prisoner of war.

I distinctly recall commentary when Helmut Kohl retired in 1998 about his being part of a European political class who lived through WWII and were highly motivated to build a peaceful Europe by virtue of that. As most of the people who lived through it, or who survived the Holocaust, have died I'd really fear for where people ignorant of this evil are leading us.

The very least everybody should be aware of is that the Nazis were populists first and foremost, appealing to the most base instincts. They succeeded, and became more base with power. People voting for populists in the hope that it will give the establishment a kick are really not aware of what this leads to. Once the genie is out of the bottle it's very difficult to put it back - more specifically, once outsiders of whatever type are dehumanised/demonised it's very, very hard to come back from that. Whether it's Brexiteers demonising the EU or Trump demonising immigrants, it's a very slippery slope that it behoves us all to have a sharpened sense of history about.

ILoveYourVibes

Mr Xit wrote: »

The Jews have been kicked out of something like 200 countries and kingdoms down through the ages.

One time or another, I've been kicked out of nearly every pub in my home town.

I got to be honest, after awhile even I was saying 'maybe it's me that is the problem'.

I have seen your other posts?
Do you have nothing better to do?

bilbot79

Given Israel's behaviour in Palestine the rise of anti-Semitism is perfectly understandable

ILoveYourVibes

bilbot79 wrote: »

Given Israel's behaviour in Palestine the rise of anti-Semitism is perfectly understandable

What have jews in Europe to do with Israel?

1641

bilbot79 wrote: »

Given Israel's behaviour in Palestine the rise of anti-Semitism is perfectly understandable

You only have to read some of the posts on this thread to see that anti-semitism is totally irrational hatred that has little or anything to do with Israel. Israel just provides a convenience for the "shy anti-semite" to hide behind.

Anyway using Israel to justify anti-semitism is itself anti semitism.

Also, I suspect some Israelis might say that european anti-semitism justifies their actions. For some reason they seem acutely aware of its consequences. Maybe they should just forget about it?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

1641 wrote: »

Because this conflict is always portrayed by the anti-semites as a simple "good guys" versus "bad guys" matter with Israel ("Jews") of course as the bad guys. All Israeli actions are condemned, far more reprehensible acts by others in the area are ignored, condoned and/or excused. No context is allowed as to the existential threat to Israel since its foundation and no regard is given to the importance of Israel as a refuge of last resort for Jews everywhere who face continuing bizarre hatred, prejudice and the threat of sectarian violence.
Ugly, nasty violent anti-semitism has existed for many centuries before the state of Israel existed, it continues today and would persist no matter what settlement was reached in the Middle East.

But Israel provides a convenient fig leaf for the "virtuous" antisemites to hide behind.

You’ve pretty much described Nelson Mandela as an anti Semite there. And many others.

Israel is actually one of the most disliked countries in the world, not just by evil Europeans. The reason is the disproportionate use of force and the fact that it is so clearly backed by the US empire. It also has hundreds of nukes, which it has threatened to use against friends and foe alike if it ever faces an external threat. The Samson option.

The supporters of Israel tend to be on the far right too. Find an Israeli flag at a demonstration or on twitter and you can be sure you have somebody who is a member of Britain first, the EDL or, in America, an extreme republican.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

1641 wrote: »

You only have to read some of the posts on this thread to see that anti-semitism is totally irrational hatred that has little or anything to do with Israel. Israel just provides a convenience for the "shy anti-semite" to hide behind.

Anyway using Israel to justify anti-semitism is itself anti semitism.

Also, I suspect some Israelis might say that european anti-semitism justifies their actions. For some reason they seem acutely aware of its consequences. Maybe they should just forget about it?

You seem fierce anti European.

A lot of pro Israelis really hate the West.

The_Kew_Tour

bilbot79 wrote: »

Given Israel's behaviour in Palestine the rise of anti-Semitism is perfectly understandable

Is that not a bit, I Dunno, Racist?

Igotadose

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Israel is actually one of the most disliked countries in the world, not just by evil Europeans. The reason is the disproportionate use of force and the fact that it is so clearly backed by the US empire. It also has hundreds of nukes, which it has threatened to use against friends and foe alike if it ever faces an external threat. The Samson option.

"Hundreds of nukes" is supposition. Israel's never owned up to any. But, I believe they have some. As for being disliked, your reason is nonsense. If it's one of the most disliked countries in the world, it's because it's a Jewish state. Was it loved by the Arab world before it was formed? In 1948? 1967?
Was the use of force in self-defense 'disproportionate' when its a battle for survival?

The supporters of Israel tend to be on the far right too. Find an Israeli flag at a demonstration or on twitter and you can be sure you have somebody who is a member of Britain first, the EDL or, in America, an extreme republican.

I doubt you'd find that true in the US. Support there for Israel is across the spectrum.

Edgware

bilbot79 wrote: »

Given Israel's behaviour in Palestine the rise of anti-Semitism is perfectly understandable

Usual simplistic nonsense.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Igotadose wrote: »

"Hundreds of nukes" is supposition. Israel's never owned up to any. But, I believe they have some. As for being disliked, your reason is nonsense. If it's one of the most disliked countries in the world, it's because it's a Jewish state. Was it loved by the Arab world before it was formed? In 1948? 1967?
Was the use of force in self-defense 'disproportionate' when its a battle for survival?

What’s the Arab world gotta do with the rest of the world.

I doubt you'd find that true in the US. Support there for Israel is across the spectrum.

The US isn’t the world either.

1641

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

You seem fierce anti European.

A lot of pro Israelis really hate the West.

Not at all - for all its faults I am very much prefer the West and liberal democracy. On the other hand, I think you will find that many anti-Israeli protesters are also anti-western. Certainly anti- American (and I don't just mean anti-trump).

Danzy

A 75 yr old Jew in Brighton whi has never left tgat country is not responsible for the actions of an Israeli soldier.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

1641 wrote: »

Not at all - for all its faults I am very much prefer the West and liberal democracy. On the other hand, I think you will find that many anti-Israeli protesters are also anti-western. Certainly anti- American (and I don't just mean anti-trump).

You hate Europe. That’s clear from your posts. I assumed you were an Israeli.

The US is post European as it continuously says.

1641

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

You hate Europe. That’s clear from your posts. I assumed you were an Israeli.

The US is post European as it continuously says.

Can you show me how it is "clear from my posts" that I "hate Europe" ?


But lest you be in any doubt I love Europe and I am very pro EU (despite some faults).


I do hate anti-semitism - and racism in general.

suicide_circus

is it any wonder antisemitism is on the rise when the UN itself is a bastion of antisemitism?

http://virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=29062

Franz Von Peppercorn II

1641 wrote: »

Can you show me how it is "clear from my posts" that I "hate Europe" ?


But lest you be in any doubt I love Europe and I am very pro EU (despite some faults).


I do hate anti-semitism - and racism in general.

Your entire rant is about European anti Semitism - calling a whole continent racist based on the actions of some of those countries historically. You use this slur to support a racist state.

You are not “anti racist”. An anti racist would oppose Israel’s actions.