2019 All Ireland Senior Football Championship *Mod note: Post #1*

Prestonites

threeball wrote: »

STB. wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

There's lads in there already that aren't amazing but are extremely fit and they do a job. Murchan, scully, Cooper. Put them in most other teams and they won't stand out. The real class acts are Cluxton, McCarthy, Fenton, Howard and Kilkenny. Most things revolve around them.

Paul Mannion

Con O Callaghan

Dean Rock


say hello just for a start.

Apologies I missed Con. Paul is excellent on his day but a bit of a front runner. Needs things going the teams way before he turns it on. He couldn't èven shine against Mullinaneactha when he was needed.

Dean rock, Please, he wouldn't be in the squad never mind the team only for his frees.

Your analysis of Paul mannion is absolutely appalling hahahaha Jesus Christ.

threeball

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

Fair enough. I think theres a difference between good players and amazing players. Don't think either of those 3 fit the amazing bill. Small would be another one.

Cooper has been one of the best backs in the game for years in fairness

These guys are part of an excellently coached, well devised system and do their job in the system excellently. That doesn't make them amazing footballers. Dublin are more than the sum of their parts due to the excellent systems, set plays and understanding they have developed. It's not true to say they have 15 amazing footballers.

Nidgeweasel

Strabanimal wrote: »

Yeah maybe bring in a new manager for every game next championship and you might actually get past the super 8s.

How many managers do you need before you realise you're just not up to it? Aging team too.

Bragging about getting in the super 8s before us then complaining about the super 8 format when you get knocked out again. Hilarious.

But take it all out on MH sure lad haha

Tyrone

The_Honeybadger

threeball wrote: »

These guys are part of an excellently coached, well devised system and do their job in the system excellently. That doesn't make them amazing footballers. Dublin are more than the sum of their parts due to the excellent systems, set plays and understanding they have developed. It's not true to say they have 15 amazing footballers.

Cooper has marked players out of it regularly in big games. I do agree playing in a dominant and well coached team makes players look better but come on! They are all excellent footballers

rossie1977

Cooper was key part of Dublins defence that won 2010 U21 All Ireland stopping Michael Murphy

threeball

Prestonites wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

STB. wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

There's lads in there already that aren't amazing but are extremely fit and they do a job. Murchan, scully, Cooper. Put them in most other teams and they won't stand out. The real class acts are Cluxton, McCarthy, Fenton, Howard and Kilkenny. Most things revolve around them.

Paul Mannion

Con O Callaghan

Dean Rock


say hello just for a start.

Apologies I missed Con. Paul is excellent on his day but a bit of a front runner. Needs things going the teams way before he turns it on. He couldn't èven shine against Mullinaneactha when he was needed.

Dean rock, Please, he wouldn't be in the squad never mind the team only for his frees.

Your analysis of Paul mannion is absolutely appalling hahahaha Jesus Christ.

You're myopic view of everything Dublin is appalling.

Nidgeweasel

Stoner wrote: »

Cooper is Dublins best player in the full backline.

I agree. Anyone who’s not convinced on him needs to watch last years final after COS came off injured. Cooper pushed out and took over that entire defense without breaking a sweat.

corny

threeball wrote: »

You're myopic view of everything Dublin is appalling.

You don't know what you're talking about. Its obvious to everyone.

threeball

rossie1977 wrote: »

Cooper was key part of Dublins defence that won 2010 U21 All Ireland stopping Michael Murphy

Operative words being "a key part". I'm not saying he's crap, I'm saying he's not amazing. Michael Murphy, Padraic Joyce, Seamus Moynihan, Maurice Fitz, etc. Amazing footballers. Don't try to include Cooper in that group.

STB.

threeball wrote: »

Dean rock, Please, he wouldn't be in the squad never mind the team only for his frees.

Oh stop please. He has broken records for not missing.

threeball

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

These guys are part of an excellently coached, well devised system and do their job in the system excellently. That doesn't make them amazing footballers. Dublin are more than the sum of their parts due to the excellent systems, set plays and understanding they have developed. It's not true to say they have 15 amazing footballers.

Cooper has marked players out of it regularly in big games. I do agree playing in a dominant and well coached team makes players look better but come on! They are all excellent footballers

Which is it, excellent or amazing as in my book there's a big difference. There's 5 or 6 excellent footballers on most squads. The OP stated they would have to be amazing to make the team.

Bonniedog

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, highly paid lawyers can see a Dublin player through breaking a man's eye socket in a pub brawl.

Do you really want to get into what county players do in their leisure time. or in working hours for that matter

You didn't finish your sentence by the way. He was convicted and got the usual "punishment" for such behaviour.

In a country which hosts scum of all nations with convictions as long as your arm who skip jail time, he paid the normal price.

Wouldn't be his biggest fan by the way. when people step out of line they should take a knee like Mullane.

But in the way of the world, O'Brien most likely will get off. But worth seeing what he is getting off for, is it not?

threeball

STB. wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

Dean rock, Please, he wouldn't be in the squad never mind the team only for his frees.

Oh stop please. He has broken records for not missing.

Yes for not missing... frees... my point exactly.

threeball

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Stoner wrote: »

Cooper is Dublins best player in the full backline.

I agree. Anyone who’s not convinced on him needs to watch last years final after COS came off injured. Cooper pushed out and took over that entire defense without breaking a sweat.

Last year's final was hardly a tough day at the office.

Boom__Boom

rossie1977 wrote: »

10 in a row is a tough ask unless Dublin find new completely new defence

In 2024:
Stephen Cluxton would be 42
Cian O’Sullivan would be 36
Michael Fitzsimons would be 35
Philly McMahon would be 36
Johnny Cooper would be 34
James Mccarthy would be 34
MDMC would be 37
Dean Rock would be 34

Even McCaffrey, John Small, Fenton, Kilkenny, Mannion, Costello and Scully would be in their 30s by then.

Dublin don't have four time all ireland under 21 teams coming through either

There's a lot of talk about Kerry based on the success at minors but if you look at U21/U20 over the last decade and compare how much progress Dublin made compared to Kerry, Dublin have had far more success at U21/U20 level.

2019 Lost All-Ireland Final
2018 Lost Leinster Final to Eventual All-Ireland Winners
2017 Won All-Ireland Final
2016 Lost All-Ireland Semi-Final to Eventual Winners
2015 Lost All-Ireland Semi-Final to Losing Finalists
2014 Won All-Ireland Final
2013 Lost Leinster Semi-Final
2012 Won All-Ireland Final
2011 Lost in the first round of Leinster to Meath after extra-time [James McCarthy and Dean Rock started for Dublin in this game]
2010 Won All-Ireland Final


2019 Lost Munster Final
2018 Lost All-Ireland Semi-Final to Eventual Winners
2017 Lost All-Ireland Semi-Final to Losing Finalists
2016 Lost Munster Final
2015 Lost Munster Semi-Final
2014 Lost Munster Semi-Final
2013 Lost Munster Semi-Final
2012 Lost Munster Final
2011 Lost Munster Final
2010 Lost Munster Final

Prestonites

threeball wrote: »

Prestonites wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

STB. wrote: »

threeball wrote: »

There's lads in there already that aren't amazing but are extremely fit and they do a job. Murchan, scully, Cooper. Put them in most other teams and they won't stand out. The real class acts are Cluxton, McCarthy, Fenton, Howard and Kilkenny. Most things revolve around them.

Paul Mannion

Con O Callaghan

Dean Rock


say hello just for a start.

Apologies I missed Con. Paul is excellent on his day but a bit of a front runner. Needs things going the teams way before he turns it on. He couldn't èven shine against Mullinaneactha when he was needed.

Dean rock, Please, he wouldn't be in the squad never mind the team only for his frees.

Your analysis of Paul mannion is absolutely appalling hahahaha Jesus Christ.

You're myopic view of everything Dublin is appalling.

Your on here actually spouting rubbish mate for the sake of posting. I seen you talk nonsense to a poster on here who has several all Ireland winners medals in the past few years, you have no idea the nonsense you post is literally laughed at and my myopic view is just fine. Nothing short sighted about recognising hard work and talent in it's finest form. But keep on keeping on, While we won 5 on the spin.

ClanofLams

U-21 success isn’t necessarily a good indicator of senior success. Limerick won three hurling U-21s in a row in the early 2000s and that group never made the breakthrough at senior level or even came close.

Galway won two football u21s in 2002 and 2005, the decade that followed was probably the worst decade for the senior team in the history of football.

eagle eye

Lots of childish stuff going on here.
Double n are streets ahead at senior level and at the end of the day that is all that matters.
What'll be interesting to see is what happens after they become the first team to win five in a row. With the pressure off will they relax a bit and be even better or lose some of the hunger and struggle.

STB.

threeball wrote: »

Yes for not missing... frees... my point exactly.

He wouldn't be in the squad only for the frees, you said.

What exactly is your idea of how this game works, what makes a team, what wins games exactly ?

5 All Ireland's, 1 U21 All Ireland, 5 League titles, 2 All Stars.

He has set records for free takers. He IS so prolific, that other teams were encroaching on his frees or throwing GPS trackers at him, including All Ireland winning frees.

ClanofLams

eagle eye wrote: »

Lots of childish stuff going on here.
Double n are streets ahead at senior level and at the end of the day that is all that matters.
What'll be interesting to see is what happens after they become the first team to win five in a row. With the pressure off will they relax a bit and be even better or lose some of the hunger and struggle.

Under the current GAA structures, Dublin will win a minimum of 7 All Irelands per decade. 7 being a poor return.

Strabanimal

eagle eye wrote: »

Lots of childish stuff going on here.
Double n are streets ahead at senior level and at the end of the day that is all that matters.

No they aren't. Hype job. All the best teams have been rebuilding during their "phase".

rossie1977

ClanofLams wrote: »

U-21 success isn’t necessarily a good indicator of senior success. Limerick won three hurling U-21s in a row in the early 2000s and that group never made the breakthrough at senior level or even came close.

Galway won two football u21s in 2002 and 2005, the decade that followed was probably the worst decade for the senior team in the history of football.

There are exceptions but success at U21 level does result in senior success ie Kerry 70s, Donegal 92 side was completely built around 82 and 87 U21 sides, Tyrones three AI wins wouldn't have happened without U21 success, Mayos 2012-17 run was almost completely players from 2006 and 2009 U21 teams and Dublins success since 2015 has been because of their 2010/12/14 and 2017 U21 teams.

Boom__Boom wrote: »

There's a lot of talk about Kerry based on the success at minors but if you look at U21/U20 over the last decade and compare how much progress Dublin made compared to Kerry, Dublin have had far more success at U21/U20 level.

I wouldn't count U20 as its unknown how successful that tournament will be in bringing players though.

You are correct in that Kerry haven't really had any success at U21 level last decade. But no doubt had the old U21 tournament still been around Kerry with O'Connor, O'Sullivan, O'Shea, Clifford etc in 2018-19 would have likely blown away Kildare and Mayo last year and Cork or Dublin this.

The_Honeybadger

threeball wrote: »

Which is it, excellent or amazing as in my book there's a big difference. There's 5 or 6 excellent footballers on most squads. The OP stated they would have to be amazing to make the team.

I was referring specifically to Cooper. He is on my team of the decade without a doubt.

Some of the others like Rock and Scully are excellent footballers but maybe not at that level

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Kerry went a long time without winning at u21 before their 70s- 80s team fell apart.

I can't see Dublin dissolving so quickly.

ClanofLams

rossie1977 wrote: »

There are exceptions but success at U21 level does result in senior success ie Kerry 70s, Donegal 92 side was completely built around 82 and 87 U21 sides, Tyrones three AI wins wouldn't have happened without U21 success, Mayos 2012-17 run was almost completely players from 2006 and 2009 U21 teams and Dublins success since 2015 has been because of their 2010/12/14 and 2017 U21 teams.


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For every success there is as many failures. Galway won two in ‘11 and ‘13 too, haven’t yet come close to any breakthrough at senior level and not looking likely on current evidence. Armagh won ‘04, no significant impact followed. Westmeath in ‘99, guess they knocked a Leinster title out of it.

Strabanimal

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Tyrone

How many manger switchings have you had since MH took over Tyrone and who won the most all irelands?

No one wants your advice on management.

Nidgeweasel

Strabanimal wrote: »

How many manger switchings have you had since MH took over Tyrone and who won the most all irelands?

No one wants your advice on management.

gaffer91

Absorbing encounter yesterday. Not sure what all the whinging about the ref is about- he had a grand game, wasn't particularly noticeable other than calling off the ball stuff (which he is right to do). Tyrone diving and feigning injury as much as they could but we're used to that at this stage.

Kerry will be no match for Dublin in the final though.

Strabanimal

gaffer91 wrote: »

Absorbing encounter yesterday. Not sure what all the whinging about the ref is about- he had a grand game, wasn't particularly noticeable other than calling off the ball stuff (which he is right to do). Tyrone diving and feigning injury as much as they could but we're used to that at this stage.

Kerry will be no match for Dublin in the final though.

Peter Harte was taken out of the game off the ball constantly. Why did he take his goal chance with one hand?

Strabanimal

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

You think you're trolling well as I cringe at you looking for likes bigging up the Dubs. Probably your second team as you have had to move there along with your populace.