Peter Casey to contest the European elections

Bobeagleburger

The country needs skilled labour from outside.

The taking our jobs mindset is pure ignorance.

For Forks Sake

eagle eye wrote: »

Can you tell me how many people have been moved out of social welfare onto courses? They get paid the same money or slightly more as they do on the jobseekers and sit in a course two days a week.

Upskilling the unemployed. Oh, the horror.

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

The country needs skilled labour from outside.

The taking our jobs mindset is pure ignorance.

The country needs certain skills from the outside

It's not about "taking our jobs" , it's about supply and demand and paying people as little as possible

Nobelium

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Upskilling the unemployed. Oh, the horror.

Anti Irish racism much ? but it's ok to import the unemployed from abroad to undercut existing Irish wages ?

Larbre34

Peter Casey is a very naive person, politically at any rate. He may learn and build, or he may get bored and sod off again. Either way, I think the people of MNW are better served without Casey as an MEP for this term.

Bobeagleburger

Nobelium wrote: »

The country needs certain skills from the outside

It's not about "taking our jobs" , it's about supply and demand and paying people as little as possible

Who's paying people as little as possible?

dxhound2005

eagle eye wrote: »

Can you tell me how many people have been moved out of social welfare onto courses? They get paid the same money or slightly more as they do on the jobseekers and sit in a course two days a week.

About 51,000 in March. Activation Programmes. This has no impact on the stats because it has been going on for decades. Even when hundreds of thousands of people were coming from abroad to take up employment here, there were similar numbers on the schemes and long term unemployed.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregisterapril2019/

Bobeagleburger

Long term unemployment shouldn't be a thing these days unless you have a disability and cannot work.

If you choose this path your payments should be cut to a small fraction to force you to work.

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Long term unemployment shouldn't be a thing these days unless you have a disability and cannot work.

If you choose this path your payments should be cut to a small fraction to force you to work.

Dublin is not Ireland, there's still plenty of long term unemployed outside Dublin, and cutting their payments has already been done, but has little effect, because there is no work.

The Satanist

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Long term unemployment shouldn't be a thing these days unless you have a disability and cannot work.

If you choose this path your payments should be cut to a small fraction to force you to work.

This is Ireland, pal. We're more likely to increase their welfare than do something logical and sensible.

Bobeagleburger

Nobelium wrote: »

Dublin is not Ireland, there's still plenty of long term unemployed outside Dublin, and cutting their payments has already been done, but has little effect, because there is no work.

I'm in Galway. I know 3 companies that cannot fill dozens of skilled jobs. There's mountains of work.

batgoat

RoboKlopp wrote: »

I'm in Galway. I know 3 companies that cannot fill dozens of skilled jobs. There's mountains of work.

Also in Limerick and facing similar issues. We don't interview many Irish candidates simply because there's not a huge number applying.

friendlyfun

RoboKlopp wrote: »

I'm in Galway. I know 3 companies that cannot fill dozens of skilled jobs. There's mountains of work.

Why are you angry at the unemployed at say not the white collar criminals who got away scoth free. They can have all the tax payers money they want. Right wingers always love socialism for the rich,

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

I'm in Galway. I know 3 companies that cannot fill dozens of skilled jobs. There's mountains of work.

batgoat wrote: »

Also in Limerick and facing similar issues. We don't interview many Irish candidates simply because there's not a huge number applying.

You'll get all the workers you want if you pay them the correct salaries for the supply vs demand.

Move everyone to just certain cities in Ireland, great idea, where are you going to house them ?

Bobeagleburger

friendlyfun wrote: »

Why are you angry at the unemployed at say not the white collar criminals who got away scoth free. They can have all the tax payers money they want. Right wingers always love socialism for the rich,

Angry at unemployed? No, just the people who couldn't be arsed working. We all know one.

The rest of your post must be related to another poster as I never mentioned white collar criminals and right wingers

Bobeagleburger

Nobelium wrote: »

We'll then, they should pay more than they do.

Move everyone to just certain cities in Ireland, great idea, where are you going to house them ?

Why do you think unfilled jobs aren't well paid? What are you referring to?

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Why do you think unfilled jobs aren't well paid? What are you referring to?

Simple laws of supply and demand. You pay the right wages according to the prevailing supply and demand and you'll get all the employees you want.

batgoat

Nobelium wrote: »

We'll then, they should pay more than they do.

Move everyone to just certain cities in Ireland, great idea, where are you going to house them ?

I have a pretty good salary and it's competitive when compared to other software companies. Also worked in Dublin, we faced similar issues with hiring the caliber of software engineers that we wanted if we were to limit to Irish people.

Nobelium

batgoat wrote: »

I have a pretty good salary and it's competitive when compared to other software companies. Also worked in Dublin, we faced similar issues with hiring the caliber of software engineers that we wanted if we were to limit to Irish people.

Neither the Software industry nor Dublin is representative of all other employment sectors in Ireland

Blueshoe

Nobelium wrote: »

Neither the Software industry nor Dublin is representative of all other employment sectors in Ireland

Wasting your time. They can't see beyond the M50

Bobeagleburger

Nobelium wrote: »

Simple laws of supply and demand. You pay the right wages according to the prevailing supply and demand and you'll get all the employees you want.

The supply isn't in Ireland though, that's the point. The demand is. Plenty of jobs but not enough skilled workers. Hence, companies looking elsewhere. A Galway company recently went to Australia to recruit as they can't fill the jobs here.

Bobeagleburger

Blueshoe wrote: »

Wasting your time. They can't see beyond the M50

Pretty sure Galway and Limerick are beyond it.

batgoat

Nobelium wrote: »

Neither the Software industry nor Dublin is representative of all other employment sectors in Ireland

You literally had this post straight after mine...

Nobelium wrote: »

Simple laws of supply and demand. You pay the right wages according to the prevailing supply and demand and you'll get all the employees you want.

I was pointing out that certain industries lack the supply. You then claimed we weren't paying enough. Now you're shifting the goal posts.... You'll find that this isn't limited to Galway, Limerick and Dublin btw...

Ahwell

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Angry at unemployed? No, just the people who couldn't be arsed working. We all know one.

The long-term unemployment rate is only 2.1%, down from a peak of 9.8% in 2012. During the boom years it was as low as 1%. When people actually have a choice between working and not working - people choose to work.

Nobelium

RoboKlopp wrote: »

The supply isn't in Ireland though, that's the point. The demand is. Plenty of jobs but not enough skilled workers. Hence, companies looking elsewhere. A Galway company recently went to Australia to recruit as they can't get fill the jobs here.

Back to claiming certain cities represent the situation in all of Ireland again ? They don't. And if you pay the increasing market rate, commensurate with the supply and demand, instead of trying to import cheap labour and undercut existing employees, you'll get all the workers you need.

Nobelium

Ahwell wrote: »

The long-term unemployment rate is only 2.1%, down from a peak of 9.8% in 2012. During the boom years it was as low as 1%. When people actually have a choice between working and not working - people choose to work.

Apparently it's ok to be racist against Irish people though and claim the foreign unemployed are better than the Irish unemployed.

Bobeagleburger

Nobelium wrote: »

Back to claiming certain cities represent the situation in all of Ireland again ? They don't. And if you pay the increasing market rate, commensurate with the supply and demand, instead of trying to import cheap labour and undercut existing employees, you'll get all the workers you need.

Import cheap labour? But they get the going rates here be it for engineer/manager whatever

Where are you getting your information? Link it

Bobeagleburger

Nobelium wrote: »

Apparently it's ok to be racist against Irish people though and claim the foreign unemployed are better than the Irish unemployed.

Said nobody

batgoat

Nobelium wrote: »

Apparently it's ok to be racist against Irish people though and claim the foreign unemployed are better than the Irish unemployed.

Pretty sure most industries for skilled jobs hire based on who is the most qualified for a role... Salary undercutting also isn't particularly lucrative because for non EU migrants, sorting visas costs substantial amounts of time for a company and time is money. Even large hr departments view it as hassle so the system is entirely slanted in favour of people from within the EU, more so Irish because no fiscal incentive to move country which companies do tend to do when desperate.

fin12

I always find it unbelievable how foreign people seem to know a lot more about what they are entitled to then an Irish person. I’m talking in regards of social welfare and tax credits.