Hole in the Wall Gang ??

fryup

Who's carrying out all those atm smash n'grabs in the north?? or is that a silly question..as its obvious?

Since December, thieves have stolen 11 cash machines from businesses in Northern Ireland and in counties Monaghan and Cavan.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0409/1041520-atm-robberies/

touts

fryup wrote: »

Who's carrying out all those atm smash n'grabs in the north?? or is that a silly question..as its obvious?



https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0409/1041520-atm-robberies/

"They haven't gone away you know".

Atlantic Dawn

Perhaps the builders leaving the plant machinery unsecured near the location of each ATM should be the first suspects.

kneemos

Some neck in fairness. Steal a digger,and a low loader,and probably a Jeep and trailer for each job.

zapitastas

fryup wrote: »

Who's carrying out all those atm smash n'grabs in the north?? or is that a silly question..as its obvious?



https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0409/1041520-atm-robberies/

It has been going in for years in border counties. Why can't the banks increase security or fit dye packs that destroy the cash. The cost of doing that must exceed what is stolen

Vincent Vega

Jet Black

zapitastas wrote: »

It has been going in for years in border counties. Why can't the banks increase security or fit dye packs that destroy the cash. The cost of doing that must exceed what is stolen

Doesn't cost much. The cash is insured so they don't bother. When they are installed they come with standard cassettes with no locks or dye packs and they never get changed.

kneemos

Jet Black wrote: »

Doesn't cost much. The cash is insured so they don't bother. When they are installed they come with standard cassettes with no locks or dye packs and they never get changed.

There's something illogical about insuring money.

McMurphy

zapitastas wrote: »

It has been going in for years in border counties. Why can't the banks increase security or fit dye packs that destroy the cash. The cost of doing that must exceed what is stolen

Already fitted, but the boobytrap system on them is far from fool proof, and can be easily, very easily bypassed - and don't ask me how I know that, I just do, right.

Noveight

Tiocfaidh ár digger.

rgodard80a

fryup wrote: »

Who's carrying out all those atm smash n'grabs in the north?? or is that a silly question..as its obvious?

Can't tell, they were wearing balaclavas.

Odyssey 2005

I'll go to another one so.!

Edgware

Why not just withdraw use of the A.T.M.s for a few months. Let the innocent suffer as usual

fryup

zapitastas wrote: »

It has been going on for years in border counties. Why can't the banks increase security or fit dye packs that destroy the cash. The cost of doing that must exceed what is stolen

the price of peace?

turn a blind eye let them do what they want...don't rock the boat??

is that the way it is on the border ?

McMurphy

Edgware wrote: »

Why not just withdraw use of the A.T.M.s for a few months. Let the innocent suffer as usual

Ala M.U.P.

TomSweeney

Fair play to them, if we had any heart we'd all be out stealing for a living, everyone else does it .

frosty123

^^^^^

I don't

For Forks Sake

fryup wrote: »

Who's carrying out all those atm smash n'grabs in the north?? or is that a silly question..as its obvious?



https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0409/1041520-atm-robberies/

I believe the term is "Good Republicans"

fryup

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

as long as they don't kill people?

ToBeFrank123

Why on earth is there not simple tracking devices embedded in all these ATMs? Even cheap smartphones can be tracked.

It would at least make the raiders think twice if they thought they could be tracked.

We are talking keystone cops at this stage, the fact the PSNI hasn't managed to recover any of the ATMs.

fryup

^^^^^^^^^^^^

well we are talking about the same country that let the provos stroll away with 10 million..remember the northern bank years back?

OOnegative

https://www.thesun.ie/archives/irish-news/6078/atm-ram-raid-yob-in-cop-car/

Might know something.

Harry Palmr

I dunno why ATMs are not installed with a few "feck you" sized bollards planted in concrete in front of them.

Force Carrier

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Why on earth is there not simple tracking devices embedded in all these ATMs? Even cheap smartphones can be tracked. .

Wrap your smartphone in a few layers of aluminium foil and see how well you can track it.

freshpopcorn

If we were in the early 2010's now they'd work this into a story for Love/Hate!

RobbingBandit

My hats off to them true artists...

McMurphy

Hate being stuck in a queue for the ATM. :mad:

Harry Palmr

Anyone else suspect a link between all these bits of plant machinery being left within easy distance of an ATM machine and those who are robbing same?

mickdw

Possibly but if you were to look around any town you would likely find a digger within 5 mins drive of any atm.
Older diggers were not too fussy re keys either.
You would imagine police would have to have some intelligence on this at this stage though so tha that is where my questions would be focused.

buried

These boyos will have the old school banks with the actual human being bank tellers behind the desks back in no time at all at all

Effects

zapitastas wrote: »

Why can't the banks increase security or fit dye packs that destroy the cash.

Someone mentioned that they freeze the whole unit to render the dye packs useless.

Farawayhome

Probably some loyalist gang.

Force Carrier

mickdw wrote: »

Older diggers were not too fussy re keys either.
.

They're easy to hot wire anyway.

TCM

touts wrote:

"They haven't gone away you know".

PSNI have said dissident IRA not involved-but sure don't concern yourself with the facts.

mickdw

Force Carrier wrote: »

mickdw wrote: »

Older diggers were not too fussy re keys either.
.

They're easy to hot wire anyway.

Yes. Some of the newer stuff not so easy.

IAMAMORON

I think given the level of sophistication and the specific manpower requirements for carrying out these crimes.... it is obvious to me that the perpetrators are always either one step ahead or one step behind the efforts of both the Gardaí and the PSNI.

With this in mind, it is highly likely that the gang are in fact a team of Time Travellers... from in this instance I feel the past. It would easily explain how they have managed to vanish without a trace in each instance. Time travellers are well renowned for their distinct ability to leave the actual time-zone they are in, to enable them to avoid detection.

Given the current rates of inflation it is highly unlikely that they would get the correct spending power out of the stolen money in the future. However by bringing the stolen cash back 10 or 15 years they could be getting a lot more bang for their buck.

fryup

So they've struck again...they're brazen whoever they are....so that what..nine atm's so far..and whats the average an atm would hold..10k? so thats 90k?

surely its only a matter of before they slip up

Pythagorean

I reckon ATMs may become extinct in the near future, because the same card that you use to withdraw cash can be used for cashless transactions.

Farawayhome

Pythagorean wrote: »

I reckon ATMs may become extinct in the near future, because the same card that you use to withdraw cash can be used for cashless transactions.

Get in on the action before it's too late.

frosty123

can they not attach an alarm system to these ATM's so when their attacked a signal will go to a security centre? signalling where it is located and then call the nearest police station??

seamus

frosty123 wrote: »

can they not attach an alarm system to these ATM's so when their attacked a signal will go to a security centre? signalling where it is located and then call the nearest police station??

They probably do, but sure the thing is out of the wall and on the back of the flatbed in 60 seconds, then gone. Lads in the back throw a big tarp over it, doesn't look like an ATM.

They could park it up in a yard literally around the corner without suspicion and wait for the cops to leave. Not sure about tracking devices, they probably don't have them installed. But they're easily jammed anyway.

I wasn't really getting why the media in the Republic were getting so obsessed about ATM robberies up north, but I guess if it's paramilitary stuff then that makes sense.

Boom_Bap

Pythagorean wrote: »

I reckon ATMs may become extinct in the near future, because the same card that you use to withdraw cash can be used for cashless transactions.

They wont. There is still huge investment from banks and from private companies in them.

Internet banking (not mobile app banking) will become extinct next.

seamus

Boom_Bap wrote: »

They wont. There is still huge investment from banks and from private companies in them.

We'll start seeing ATM charges being brought in, which will kill their usage stone dead.

We actually have a very high uptake of payment terminals in Ireland. Very rare to encounter even a tiny business that doesn't have one. Petrol stations and shops like having ATMs so people can take out cash to pay, but since it's basically impossible to get a bank card that doesn't have a chip, these are becoming more and more irrelevant.

Internet banking (not mobile app banking) will become extinct next.

-_-

....but....they're the same thing....

janfebmar

Any sign of the gang getting caught yet? They have done a lot of these robberies on both sides of the border by now. Probably the police are too afraid to go near them. You would think in this day and age technology could solve it.

fryup

janfebmar wrote: »

You would think in this day and age technology could solve it.

i would have thought so too in this age of CCTV, tracking devices etc

Would it be that difficult to put a motion sensor that activates the die into the machines? You open the door to fill machine putting in code to deactivate sensor. Fill machine up and then code in to activate again.

When a digger drags the atm it would activate the die.

fryup

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

they have it built in those cash cases those delivery transit drivers use, so why not atm's?

Odyssey 2005

Two machines ripped from different banks in Kells last night. Happy Easter indeed !.

Edit : two th the north also.

septictank

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Two machines ripped from different banks in Kells last night. Happy Easter indeed !.

2, and I'll raise you another 2.

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2019/0419/1043533-atm-kells/

You'd nearly think the "Lads" were putting together a fighting fund for events further down the road.

janfebmar

septictank wrote: »

2, and I'll raise you another 2.

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2019/0419/1043533-atm-kells/

You'd nearly think the "Lads" were putting together a fighting fund for events further down the road.

That is why it is important to catch them. Thete was poor woman shot in Derry last night too you know.

Harry Palmr

I think it's the banks.