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Random Wrestling Thoughts (Part 2)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Heath was trained by Mr Hughes now that is totally random for me.

    Mr Hughes never looked like he was trained himself. Hes brutal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,201 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    20 years ago tonight we found out who ran down stone cold and also why that person did it. It was rikishi and he did it for “da rock” in one of the most anti climactic pay offs of a huge storyline. I know they added trips into it as being the master mind but it was a case of them needing a way to write Austin off tv but never really planned beyond that point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Mr Hughes never looked like he was trained himself. Hes brutal.

    Sorry for the long post :p ....

    Wrestling training and who've you've been trained by is a weird one within the realm of the business.

    Looking at it on the surface you would naturally think good wrestlers would produce good wrestlers and bad wrestlers would produce bad wrestlers. Sometimes that's true and sometimes it's not true. It's quite the "contradiction" for the lack of a better word. On the surface ;)

    On one hand you have a guy like Mr Hughes who never set the wrestling world alight with his career. Yet if you look at his CV he wrestled (starting notably from 1990) in wcw to WWF (1993) ECW (1993-1996)
    Then back to WWF for 2 short stints in 1997 and 1999.

    That says right there he was a decent hand. He knew and could pull off the fundamentals with good effect.

    That's the weird thing about wrestling training too on the surface. A newbie or inexperienced person could look at Mr Hughes and think "what a loser no way am I training at his school" - yet he could teach you far more than Joe random at Joe Randoms school of wrestling.

    Also, at the same time as a contradiction, even the most terrible of trainers can "produce" a tremendous wrestler (which in reality is nothing more than that person that being above the rest)
    Yet you'll often find Joe random never did anything.


    Confused yet? Lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,522 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    Sorry for the long post :p ....

    Wrestling training and who've you've been trained by is a weird one within the realm of the business.

    Looking at it on the surface you would naturally think good wrestlers would produce good wrestlers and bad wrestlers would produce bad wrestlers. Sometimes that's true and sometimes it's not true. It's quite the "contradiction" for the lack of a better word. On the surface ;)

    On one hand you have a guy like Mr Hughes who never set the wrestling world alight with his career. Yet if you look at his CV he wrestled (starting notably from 1990) in wcw to WWF (1993) ECW (1993-1996)
    Then back to WWF for 2 short stints in 1997 and 1999.

    That says right there he was a decent hand. He knew and could pull off the fundamentals with good effect.

    That's the weird thing about wrestling training too on the surface. A newbie or inexperienced person could look at Mr Hughes and think "what a loser no way am I training at his school" - yet he could teach you far more than Joe random at Joe Randoms school of wrestling.

    Also, at the same time as a contradiction, even the most terrible of trainers can "produce" a tremendous wrestler (which in reality is nothing more than that person that being above the rest)
    Yet you'll often find Joe random never did anything.


    Confused yet? Lol.

    Just to add to that, Jeff and Matt Hardy didn't recieve any training prior to starting in the business. They mostly taught themselves by setting up their own wrestling promotion and copying moves they saw on tv. They were later trained by Dory Funk Jr but that was after WWE signed them. Of course that being said, Jeff wasn't exactly known for his wrestling ability but they still built a career out of the stuff they did in the ring.

    Also, Lance Storm and Chris Jericho were both trained at the Hart Brothers Wrestling Camp but the Harts never even trained them. They were trained by Ed Langley who was a referee and a local wrestler named Brad Young.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    15 years ago today mickie James debuted on Monday night raw as the over enthusiastic fan of Trish stratus and we then got imo one of the best angles ever on wwe TV involving Trish and mickie and then the great match at mania with that great crowd in Chicago. I’m sure mickie regrets making that hand gesture though but still.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,484 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    15 years ago today mickie James debuted on Monday night raw as the over enthusiastic fan of Trish stratus and we then got imo one of the best angles ever on wwe TV involving Trish and mickie and then the great match at mania with that great crowd in Chicago. I’m sure mickie regrets making that hand gesture though but still.

    A year or two ago I rewatched that feud and even then the sh1t Mickie was doing was risky. Pure dirt.

    She's a pillar of the division and that's no understatement. I'd say one day she'll have some fascinating stories to share.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Seems Scott Hall is off the wagon again.
    He was in some virtual meet and greet recently and one person in attendance said he was "intoxicated and being difficult". further details said how Hall "kept having issues with every inscription or request, and had issues with how rushed it felt" which led to the event getting the plug pulled early.

    Hall is something else isn't he? He managed to squash his addictions with the help of DDP accordingly now back to his old ways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,346 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    JR is like the stereotypical old pervert...

    https://twitter.com/JRsBBQ/status/1316060316976009217


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    J. Marston wrote: »
    JR is like the stereotypical old pervert...

    https://twitter.com/JRsBBQ/status/1316060316976009217

    Fcuk sake. Does he know what hes going at all.

    He is an iconic voice no doubt, but hes past his prime and dragging AEW down with him. He was a choir to listen to at the last PPV.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Fcuk sake. Does he know what hes going at all.

    He is an iconic voice no doubt, but hes past his prime and dragging AEW down with him. He was a choir to listen to at the last PPV.

    I understood why they brought him in for a name at the start but he’s adding nothing to the product


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭TimesArrow


    J. Marston wrote: »
    JR is like the stereotypical old pervert...

    https://twitter.com/JRsBBQ/status/1316060316976009217

    He’s a disgusting creep. Even worse than King. Unable to see how stuff like this is creepy when it’s pointed out to him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,770 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    69 at his next birthday. NOT a great look for a guy with two daughters and two granddaughters himself, his own kids probably in and around that young lady’s age, at a guess. Somebody needs to have a word with him. Val Venis maybe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I'd love to see them going back closer to the original concept of the Survivor Series and do one full Survivor Series PPV with an open draw putting together say 20 teams of 4 from all brands with every survivor from the team matches then competing in a Battle Royal to find the Ultimate Survivor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭TimesArrow


    Wonder if the recent Drew/ Barrett twitter stuff might be leading to something.. Barrett could defintely still go in the ring


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,025 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Was watching the WWE 24 about Drew and reminds me that these shows that show behind the scenes of the business makes the wrestlers look even better. People just dismiss the matches as scripted yet apart from the ending and some spots it's mostly improv.
    Planning for matches comes down to talking for a couple minutes beforehand, if at all. Then it's whatever calls they make during the match.
    WWE may have more control over their matches, but based on things like The Wrestlers and others you get to see how unscripted they are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,201 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Was watching the WWE 24 about Drew and reminds me that these shows that show behind the scenes of the business makes the wrestlers look even better. People just dismiss the matches as scripted yet apart from the ending and some spots it's mostly improv.
    Planning for matches comes down to talking for a couple minutes beforehand, if at all. Then it's whatever calls they make during the match.
    WWE may have more control over their matches, but based on things like The Wrestlers and others you get to see how unscripted they are.

    add in all the fitness/gym work and hours of travelling involved. Its an incredible tough demanding job. Its not just the 15/20 mins in the ring a night

    Could be wrong but i think they get nights off (after there matches at the events) mainly on overseas tours to have a few drinks etc. Weret they in temple bar last november after the Dublin show ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    To be fair it’s just been 5 to 15 minutes a week in the ring this last 8 months or so.

    A lot of wrestlers are getting a great chance to rest up and heel up and sleep in there own bed every night which makes it all the more surprising that the NXT group seem out to prove some point and work so stiff and hurt themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,201 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Love this and I think ill buy it for the festive season

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    My random wrestling thought for the day..

    Larry Zbyszko was an awesome commentator!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    My random wrestling thought for the day..

    Larry Zbyszko was an awesome commentator!

    Yes he was. In wcw he was great because when the nwo arrived he was consistent in not putting up with their crap. Also, there is one nitro were tony walks out and Larry has to call a match by himself for most of it and it’s not JR or anyone else but it’s not bad at all.

    My random thought is it’ll be a shame that in all likelihood Randy orton won’t be seen for what he is and that’s better than cena in every way as a wrestler as a whole. Yeah cena can talk in a way but Randy is a blue chipper as JR would say and to this day is one of my favourites from his generation and I love his legend killer stuff and his first title reign and his hardcore match with foley and his stuff with taker.

    Randy orton is a wrestler and not whatever knock off cena was doing.
    And Randy orton doesn’t tweet motivational stuff all the time either.

    Randy orton or cena AC ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Also, cena isn’t as good as Christian or others of that level. Cena got bloody lucky with his rapper gimmick but his matches were boring just like hogans were. The get dominated for the majority of the match and then make a comback at the end is boring and gets old after a while.

    Edit: the Christian vs orton matches from the summer of 2011 over the WHC are great matches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Also, cena isn’t as good as Christian or others of that level. Cena got bloody lucky with his rapper gimmick but his matches were boring just like hogans were. The get dominated for the majority of the match and then make a comback at the end is boring and gets old after a while.

    Edit: the Christian vs orton matches from the summer of 2011 over the WHC are great matches.

    Cena is arguably capable of having matches just as good as Christian. His battles with Umaga, Punk, Owens, Cesaro, Rollins, Bryan, are very good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭TimesArrow


    Jericho once again “liking” more Trump posts.. obviously he’s entitled to his beliefs and opinions, but knowing he’s a trunk supporter makes me like and respect him less and less


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The thing with Cena and Orton is they just went through the motions for a decade just doing their signature moves that's it they were very rarely pushed to actually have a wrestling match.

    So that why it's all the more surprising now when you see Orton himself actually engaged in a feud that goes beyond...


    Typical Orton match for nearly decade was Pose on ropes to start couple of moves, middle rope DDT, kneeling slapping the mat RKO out of nowhere and pose walk to the back looking like he didn't want to be there. Repeat same match every night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    TimesArrow wrote: »
    Jericho once again “liking” more Trump posts.. obviously he’s entitled to his beliefs and opinions, but knowing he’s a trunk supporter makes me like and respect him less and less

    You should know a good few wrestlers are Trump fans. Still, we have Sami Z and Big E.

    His Covid antics made him jump the shark with me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭TimesArrow


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    You should know a good few wrestlers are Trump fans. Still, we have Sami Z and Big E.

    His Covid antics made him jump the shark with me.

    Yeah I’m fairly sure there’s a good few, notably Vince of course. Who else is a confirmed trump supporter? Ziggler?

    The most outspoken I’ve seen a n the other side Are Sami and Batista


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    TimesArrow wrote: »
    Yeah I’m fairly sure there’s a good few, notably Vince of course. Who else is a confirmed trump supporter? Ziggler?

    The most outspoken I’ve seen a n the other side Are Sami and Batista

    Well Ziggler to me seems like he’s not a trump fan but kind of a Fox News fan. He’s been on there a few times.

    Yeah Batista is not even subtle about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    TimesArrow wrote: »
    Yeah I’m fairly sure there’s a good few, notably Vince of course. Who else is a confirmed trump supporter? Ziggler?

    The most outspoken I’ve seen a n the other side Are Sami and Batista

    I'm almost certain that Val Venis falls on the Pro-Trump side.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    The thing with Cena and Orton is they just went through the motions for a decade just doing their signature moves that's it they were very rarely pushed to actually have a wrestling match.

    So that why it's all the more surprising now when you see Orton himself actually engaged in a feud that goes beyond...


    Typical Orton match for nearly decade was Pose on ropes to start couple of moves, middle rope DDT, kneeling slapping the mat RKO out of nowhere and pose walk to the back looking like he didn't want to be there. Repeat same match every night.

    Well they had their spots(not a spot, my spot, a liver spot) secured they were in wwe as long as they wanted to be. They aren’t the only ones who weren’t forced outside of their comfort zone over the years. I mean big show is another example.

    And beaker I’m not saying that cena can’t have very good matches because as you pointed out, and as I’ve seen over the years he’s had some good matches. It’s his style of match that I’m not a fan of. It got boring with hogan and the predictability of them which hurt them like it did cena. Why invest in either guys matches for most of them when you know the usual finish will happen ?


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