Once Upon a Time in Hollywood *spoilers from post 356*

Sad Professor

Tarantino's next film, staring Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pitt and Margot Robbie about a television actor (Dicaprio) and his stunt double (Pitt) who get caught up in the events of late 60s Hollywood, including the Manson murders. Out in July.

First character posters have been released:

https://twitter.com/OnceInHollywood/status/1107627718387093505

https://twitter.com/OnceInHollywood/status/1107990107582128129

correction

The posters are really awful but obviously doesn't reduce my excitement to see this.

Am I right in saying this is the first time Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt will be in a movie together? It kind of feels like a generation of pop culture coming to an end.

Effects

correction wrote: »

The posters are really awful.

Can you explain what's so awful about them?

correction

They're not interesting to look at, nothing artistic about them. Brad Pitt's head looks photoshopped on. What are they leaning on?

The first one does a decent job of at least letting you know DiCaprio and Pitt are in it I guess but if I wasn't already interested in the film I wouldn't have given either poster a second look.

branie2

His head looks OK to me

Passenger

First Trailer released today.

Mr E

That looks like the good old Tarantino that we love. Great teaser.

SortingYouOut

correction wrote: »

They're not interesting to look at, nothing artistic about them. Brad Pitt's head looks photoshopped on. What are they leaning on?

The first one does a decent job of at least letting you know DiCaprio and Pitt are in it I guess but if I wasn't already interested in the film I wouldn't have given either poster a second look.

Have to agree with you, they're pretty boring.

eviltimeban

The posters don't bother me, though Brad Pitt's face does look a bit weird. It strikes me that Leo's hair looks a bit wrong for the era; he doesn't seem to be a "straight" as he's wearing groovy clothes in the other picture, so he should at least have sideburns or less quiffed hair. A strange detail that you'd think would be right (unless all is revealed in the movie).

Sharon Tate though. Such a tragic story. I wonder how it'll be treated if the tone of the movie is more comedic. Or will that part of her story be in the movie at all? If not then I wonder why have a "real" character at all.

Either way I'll be seeing this as soon as it opens. I even like Death Proof so for me QT always delivers. Saying that I didn't see The Hateful 8 for some reason, and Django Unchained was a bit of a disappointment after Inglourious Basterds.

Dades

Trailer looks great. Hope the story is as good as the style.

Fwiw, Brad Pitt looks weird to me in that poster, too.

peteeeed

the tune in the trailer

Tabnabs

Dicaprio in both images just looks like:

Frank O. Pinion

eviltimeban wrote: »

Sharon Tate though. Such a tragic story. I wonder how it'll be treated if the tone of the movie is more comedic. Or will that part of her story be in the movie at all? If not then I wonder why have a "real" character at all.

It will be part of the story. They've even cast a young polish actor to play...Roman Polanski.

JohnFalstaff

eviltimeban wrote: »

Sharon Tate though. Such a tragic story. I wonder how it'll be treated if the tone of the movie is more comedic. Or will that part of her story be in the movie at all? If not then I wonder why have a "real" character at all.

Tarantino is not exactly noted for his historical accuracy. Inglourious Basterds culminated in Hitler and Goebbels being machine gunned to death at a movie premiere.

Maybe a yellow-tracksuited Bruce Lee will swoop in and save Sharon Tate from the Manson gang with some Kung Fu kicks.

pixelburp

Looks like another shaggy dog style narrative from Tarantino; know next to nothing about the Manson murders TBH - I know of Charles Manson & that he's a pyscho - but nothing else, and didn't know there was some connection with Hollywood either.

p to the e

pixelburp wrote: »

Looks like another shaggy dog style narrative from Tarantino; know next to nothing about the Manson murders TBH - I know of Charles Manson & that he's a pyscho - but nothing else, and didn't know there was some connection with Hollywood either.

Basically Manson had some disagreement with a record producer years before and so he sent some of his "family" to kill him not knowing that the guy had moved out and Polanski and his wife had moved in. She was home with some friends when they arrived off their nut on acid and carved them up.

I could be wrong but I believe Manson never actually personally murdered anyone but rather gave out the orders.

pixelburp

Yowsers.

Yeah, I can see why some folk have been a little leery about Tarantino touching this story. He's not always the most nuanced when it comes to violence.

p to the e

Yeah I remember watching the aforementioned "Inglorious Basterds" scene with Hitler mentioned above and for a second thinking "I didn't know that's how he died".

eviltimeban

p to the e wrote: »

Basically Manson had some disagreement with a record producer years before and so he sent some of his "family" to kill him not knowing that the guy had moved out and Polanski and his wife had moved in. She was home with some friends when they arrived off their nut on acid and carved them up.

I could be wrong but I believe Manson never actually personally murdered anyone but rather gave out the orders.

That's pretty much it. He and the "family" lived out in the desert in an abandoned film set. The girls were, shall we say, "vulnerable", mostly acid casualties / easily influenced / runaways. Manson put himself forward as a kind of messiah and leader.

And apparently he was quite a persuasive person. He got in with some of the Beach Boys and also hung out with Neil Young. He was trying to get a record deal, Neil Young even recommended him to some contacts, but the aforementioned producer (Terry Melcher) turned him down. It was his ex-house that the killers went to. So for Sharon Tate et al, it was a case of wrong place, wrong time.

Manson preached the message of what he called "helter skelter", which he believed was a coming black uprising that would destroy white society. He and his family would be the only whites who would survive; they planned to hide in a hole in the desert (true story) until it was time to come back out.

This was all inspired by the Beatles "white album" - he took songs like Piggies, Helter Skelter, Revolution 9, and Blackbird and decided they were all about the upcoming race war, and that the Beatles were speaking to him personally.

So while he didn't murder anyone physically himself (that we know of) he certainly gave the orders. The girls, not being of sound mind, later boasted about their exploits and the trail led to Manson.

Interesting fact: One of the victims was a "hairdresser to the stars", who was a friend of celebrities and present on the night. He was famous for creating Jim Morrison's hairstyle for his famous topless photo shoot.

The other victims from the following night, the La Biancas, were completely unrelated to Tate, Melcher, or Polanski. They just happened to be in a house they targeted.

Manson's motivation was to make the murders look like the work of black perpetrators, hastening the race war, and Manson's eventual rising up.

tigger123

Wonder will the film lead up to the Manson murders, or will it just have Sharon Tate in it to heighten the edge factor.

Either way I can't say I'm overly interested. I haven't enjoyed anything he did since Jackie Brown. If it gets good reviews though I'll give it a go I think.

peteeeed

https://twitter.com/rottentomatoes/status/1130855541780013057?s=21

bnt

Trailer on YouTube too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELeMaP8EPAA

Agent Coulson

I really like the look of that.

Slydice

There doesn't seem to be a big.. I gotta see it for <insert compelling moment from trailer>.. moment tho..

Decuc500

The reaction from Cannes is very positive.

batgoat

Something far more self referential about that trailer than I've ever seen Tarantino..... The Inglorious Basterds being played upon etc. Plus Django styled DiCaprio...

peteeeed

time to get excited

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood

Dades

That looks fupping brilliant.

El Duda

Looks like a potential top 5 Taratino film. Awesome.

A few people saying it the closest thing he's done to Pulp Fiction

buried

Looks class, from the trailer the world portrayed looks really authentic , real 'Mad Men' style vibes

pixelburp

Still giving off that shaggydog vibe, which is not necessarily a bad thing; I believe Tarantino has mentioned it as akin to Pulp Fiction, being a loosely linked narrative of variously overlapping characters, with Manson floating around as a slowly creeping 'infection' (to use Tarantino's turn of phrase). Would still worry about that particular part, coupled with the director's ... well, sometimes lack of class when it comes to violence.

Slydice

Decuc500 wrote: »

The reaction from Cannes is very positive.

peteeeed wrote: »

time to get excited

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood

89! :eek:

*checks RT*
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/once_upon_a_time_in_hollywood

94%! :eek:

Can't be just the material in the trailer!

Agent Coulson

Tarantino had a heated exchange with some press today over violence to the female characters

Sad Professor

Here's part of the exchange:

Slydice

That's about as heated a fridge in a library canteen

pixelburp

I presume ever since he stormed out during the Django junket (Channel 4 news interviewer wasn't it?), the press are hoping to poke the tiger a little. From what I recall of the Django one, Tarantino was a little petulant...

pixelburp

Actually, having watched the video, that was a pretty bizarre question, obviously angling for some "why you no have a bigger part Margot, sexism??". Robbie answered it very diplomatically, Tarantino instead going for the direct approach.

JP Liz V1

Decuc500 wrote: »

The reaction from Cannes is very positive.

Palme D’Or contender?

chuky_r_law

2 months of avoiding trailers/snippets/reviews/interviews/etc

cant wait!

tigger123

Initial reviews seem quite positive. Might actually watch this in the cinema.

MfMan

El Duda wrote: »

Looks like a potential top 5 Taratino film. Awesome.

A few people saying it the closest thing he's done to Pulp Fiction

Not saying a lot. Another movie that has dated quite a bit once the initial sheen wears off. Probably more of the same here, with dazzling visuals and highly insubstantial plotting as Tarantino continues his relentless quest to be hip.

peteeeed

pulp fiction is amazing .......the end

Decuc500

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Palme D’Or contender?

I'd like to see Tarantino win another one but it looks to be a particularly strong line up this year.

Dades

pixelburp wrote: »

Actually, having watched the video, that was a pretty bizarre question, obviously angling for some "why you no have a bigger part Margot, sexism??". Robbie answered it very diplomatically, Tarantino instead going for the direct approach.

What an eye-roll of a question. Clearly an agenda holder looking for something to kick off with. It's not as if Tarantino hasn't given us iconic/lead female characters - Mia Wallace, The Bride, Jackie Browne, etc.

Just as well that lady didn't turn up at the Shawshank Redemption press conference.

brianregan09

I'm so excited for this can't wait

peteeeed

poster released

Sad Professor

Much better!

Gwynplaine

What? No Shouty L Jackson?

peteeeed

Reviews are in , generally very positive , out in America tomorrow but we don't get it till August 15th

pixelburp

Some reviews seem to be leaning into it being Tarantino's most wistful, personal movie; which would track with what we've seen given its setting.

bnt

It's a real Hollywood nepotism affair too, with at least four famous daughters: Margaret Qualley (Andie MacDowell's daughter), Maya Hawke (daughter of Uma Thurman and Ethan Hawke), Harley Quinn Smith (daughter of Kevin Smith), and Rumer Willis (daughter of Bruce). Quentin's wife Daniella Pick is there, and if their kids aren't involved, it's because they don't have any. I'm surprised he doesn't have at least a cameo himself.