Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

spakman

He's increasingly irrelevant since he's thankfully off our screens (apart from eir which hardly anyone watches).
He has a column in the Sindo but I don't buy that rag so it's been a long time since I've been subjected to his bull****.

wirelessdude01

spakman wrote: »

He's increasingly irrelevant since he's thankfully off our screens (apart from eir which hardly anyone watches).
He has a column in the Sindo but I don't buy that rag so it's been a long time since I've been subjected to his bull****.

None of the independent papers get brought into this house either. I'll read whatever is free online as I refuse to pay them for the digital stuff.

muddle84

Can i breathe out yet or is there still time?

Audioslaven

homewardbound11 wrote: »

There is one thing for sure .
Dinosaurs of the game including all of the rte panel . Orourke, Spillane, brolly are so out of the modern game that they rely on sensationalism to keep them in a job . Well done RTE . The prawn sandwich of analysis .

Bring in Oisin Mcconville ,even our own b joe etc for some decent analysis please

I would be a big fan of McConville as well. He is very level headed in his analysis and doesn't fire insults. He understands the complexities of been an intercounty footballer which others like Brolly don't get.

I am surprised they didn't put him into the Armagh job rather than Geeney who I think is out of his depth as an inter county manager.

Audioslaven

muddle84 wrote: »

Can i breathe out yet or is there still time?

I think with all the whatsapps stuff floating around will put off anymore retirements for a week or so.

HBC08

Squatman wrote: »

lee keegan is gone now too

Lads,seriously
If ye are still believing sh1te going around on Whattapp ye need to have a word with yerselves.

seligehgit

Heard it from a reliable source that it is not likely Colm Boyle will retire.

homewardbound11

just looking through a montage of YouTube clips of moments from seamie on Cooper . Seamie in the Tyrone semi . Donal even in the sending off and of course parsons athleticism’s . We were a ferociously strong team in 2015 . Our physicality now is less imposing on teams . Where will it come from ??

wirelessdude01

homewardbound11 wrote: »

just looking through a montage of YouTube clips of moments from seamie on Cooper . Seamie in the Tyrone semi . Donal even in the sending off and of course parsons athleticism’s . We were a ferociously strong team in 2015 . Our physicality now is less imposing on teams . Where will it come from ??

We have become focused on skilful athletes.

Sebastian Dangerfield

I think if we could find a proper full forward there'd be another couple of years of AOS for 50 mins plus per game in midfield. As it stands, hes the best choice at 14 and probably could get an extra year or two at it. We've plenty of choice in the corners front and back, but badly short in the centre for both.

What I thought was ironic was he gave an interview leading up to the final, saying that what swung the positional move for him was that Horan was committed to it, and he wouldnt be moved in and out. The opposite turned out to be true. Aside from Galway in the league, maybe Leitrim, I think he moved out the field in every game when midfield got shaky.

Green&Red

Orme can be a serious option in the FF line

RedDevil55

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

I think if we could find a proper full forward there'd be another couple of years of AOS for 50 mins plus per game in midfield. As it stands, hes the best choice at 14 and probably could get an extra year or two at it. We've plenty of choice in the corners front and back, but badly short in the centre for both.

I think we're short on corner backs, especially if Barrett calls it a day. Hopefully Eoin O'Donoghue gets a chance to stake a claim. David McBrien looks a good player for full back.

We need a couple of midfielders with the retirements of this week. Conor O'Shea is well worth a place on the panel going off club form.

wirelessdude01

RedDevil55 wrote: »

. Conor O'Shea is well worth a place on the panel going off club form.

That horse has run it's race. Much like Jason Gibbons, he just doesn't have the ability for that final step up to IC.

seligehgit

Green&Red wrote: »

Orme can be a serious option in the FF line

If he opts in,did'nt opt out this year?

Leaving certificate.

Serious option going forward.

Green&Red

seligehgit wrote: »

If he opts in,did'nt opt out this year?

Leaving certificate.

Serious option going forward.

I think he has potential to be Cillian level footballer. Can shoot on sight, great nerves, can tackle and has an engine

Loafing Oaf

Bit of a kerfuffle about a few of our backroom boys alledgedly sneaking in to the AIF

https://www.independent.ie/sport/mayo-in-the-dock-as-trios-covert-entry-to-all-ireland-final-is-caught-on-cctv-39945470.html

Panrich

Green&Red wrote: »

I think he has potential to be Cillian level footballer. Can shoot on sight, great nerves, can tackle and has an engine

That would be great if true. He'd have one advantage over Cillian with those traits as the one area that slightly let's him down is the engine. He's a bit of a diesel compared to other elite forwards. If he had proper pace......

wirelessdude01

Orme indicated this year when asked that he has no desire to be a county footballer. The level of commitment required is something he isn't willing to do.
You cannot blame the lad and I'd actually commend him for his honesty.

seligehgit

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Orme indicated this year when asked that he has no desire to be a county footballer. The level of commitment required is something he isn't willing to do.
You cannot blame the lad and I'd actually commend him for his honesty.

Indeed fair play.

An awful loss to the county nonetheless.

He has the potential to be a truly top class inside forward at the highest level.

Audioslaven

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Orme indicated this year when asked that he has no desire to be a county footballer. The level of commitment required is something he isn't willing to do.
You cannot blame the lad and I'd actually commend him for his honesty.

He will regret this imo. It may not occur to him now but when he is in his latter years, he will most likely look back and wonder. Not everyone gets the chance to test himself against the best. I suppose you can't put an aul head on young shoulders.

wirelessdude01

Audioslaven wrote: »

He will regret this imo. It may not occur to him now but when he is in his latter years, he will most likely look back and wonder. Not everyone gets the chance to test himself against the best. I suppose you can't put an aul head on young shoulders.

Now things can change. Seeing the chances and impact the new, young players had this year, could give him the necessary encouragement to give it a shot.

charolais0153

Audioslaven wrote: »

He will regret this imo. It may not occur to him now but when he is in his latter years, he will most likely look back and wonder. Not everyone gets the chance to test himself against the best. I suppose you can't put an aul head on young shoulders.

A few years would be worth it imv, if he gets to a top level , there’s a lot of soft jobs for the top lads - deservedly so

km79

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Now things can change. Seeing the chances and impact the new, young players had this year, could give him the necessary encouragement to give it a shot.

Hopefully this ^
But when you see someone come right out and say it then it’s more likely he won’t
Which is fine and his choice to make .

Audioslaven

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Now things can change. Seeing the chances and impact the new, young players had this year, could give him the necessary encouragement to give it a shot.

This is it and who knows if he has it within him to make it to be a top county footballer. There is only one way to find out. He will get a chance with Horan if he looks good enough and wants it enough. In fairness he shouldn't need encouragement. You are better off without a guy who is not fully committed.

flasher0030

Audioslaven wrote: »

He will regret this imo. It may not occur to him now but when he is in his latter years, he will most likely look back and wonder. Not everyone gets the chance to test himself against the best. I suppose you can't put an aul head on young shoulders.

I don't see it like that. GAA is in almost every village/town in Ireland. Every kid has access to be a footballer if they want. Almost all of us were given a chance to test ourselves against the best if we really wanted to. The key is at the age of between approx. 15 and 20, that's where things can go pearshaped for teens or can go good - depending on the attitude. What I mean is that we are all given the opportunity to train, play games, develop our game etc. Whether we take that opportunity is mostly up to ourselves. Orme obviously put in the effort as a kid,teenager etc. Just because he is a very good player now, you cannot frown upon the fact that he doesn't want to give up his life for intercounty football. Bar exceptional circumstances, we were all give the chance to develop as footballer. Just that most of us choose the easier route of bit of GAA, mixed with socialising, girls and some unhealthy food.

Audioslaven

flasher0030 wrote: »

I don't see it like that. GAA is in almost every village/town in Ireland. Every kid has access to be a footballer if they want. Almost all of us were given a chance to test ourselves against the best if we really wanted to. The key is at the age of between approx. 15 and 20, that's where things can go pearshaped for teens or can go good - depending on the attitude. What I mean is that we are all given the opportunity to train, play games, develop our game etc. Whether we take that opportunity is mostly up to ourselves. Orme obviously put in the effort as a kid,teenager etc. Just because he is a very good player now, you cannot frown upon the fact that he doesn't want to give up his life for intercounty football. Bar exceptional circumstances, we were all give the chance to develop as footballer. Just that most of us choose the easier route of bit of GAA, mixed with socialising, girls and some unhealthy food.

Not really disagreeing with you around the sacrifices that have to be made but there are lads who are just a step above the rest. They know it and it is taking this opportunity when and if it comes available. There are only a selected few who get to play for Mayo. If a top player only wants to play for the club, they are quite entitled to do that. This is where ambition comes into it and having that to drive you to play at the highest level and win at the highest level. If he declines the offer, that's fine but I would question his suitability for IC football then and his ambition/commitment to play at the highest level.

Green&Red

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Orme indicated this year when asked that he has no desire to be a county footballer. The level of commitment required is something he isn't willing to do.
You cannot blame the lad and I'd actually commend him for his honesty.

I thought he opted out of 2020, didn’t realise he had indicated anything further

MayoAreMagic

Audioslaven wrote: »

He will regret this imo. It may not occur to him now but when he is in his latter years, he will most likely look back and wonder. Not everyone gets the chance to test himself against the best. I suppose you can't put an aul head on young shoulders.

Im not sure about that, personally. If you just take a look at dublin at present.Not really. The idea of slogging away for 10 years, isnt really that appealing for a young fella. Maybe it is him who has the aul head and we are the naive ones.

spakman

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Im not sure about that, personally. If you just take a look at the scenario with dublin at present, peoples chances of winning things are reduced due to an unfair system. Is that testing yourself against the best? Not really. The idea of slogging away against a loaded dice for 10 years, isnt really that appealing for a young fella. Maybe it is him who has the aul head and we are the naive ones.

It's not a decision I ever had to make (or anything close to it!) but I'd have thought you'd have to give it a go before knowing if it's what you want.
So, commit to it for a year if you get the invite. If it's not for you, you can walk away after the season satisfied that you tried it. Otherwise, you may spend years wondering what might have been.

MayoAreMagic

spakman wrote: »

It's not a decision I ever had to make (or anything close to it!) but I'd have thought you'd have to give it a go before knowing if it's what you want.
So, commit to it for a year if you get the invite. If it's not for you, you can walk away after the season satisfied that you tried it. Otherwise, you may spend years wondering what might have been.

You wont do a whole lot in a year, realistically speaking, if you are new to that level.
I get what you say but if you look at the guys who retired, they have 10+ years or proper slogging in the bank, a raft of agonising losses, undoubted piles of injuries, and another pile of ruthless, and often unfair, treatment in national media, and one league title.There is something tragic about that. If any young lad grew up watching it, then came to 21-22, seen the landscape and thought, this is actually a load of b*ll*x, it would be hard to find fault with their logic, beyond 'ah sure give it a rattle for a year or two'. Like it is easy for us to say at the end of the day, we arent doing it.