Cupra Born

Ryath

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/seat/100354/new-seat-el-born-concept-previews-all-electric-family-car

Looks great not sure about the name though. Looks like it won't be out too long after the VW id. Already in a Seat so should be a better deal to change to this.

Mickeroo

Love the look, front looks very Tesla-ish. I assume the final product won't look as hot hatch like.

Ryath

Better pics here.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/seats-202bhp-el-born-brands-first-bespoke-ev

Says it's 95% production ready. It may be equivalent of Fr spec in pics a entry level one mightn't look as sporty.

Shefwedfan

It the ID Neo with a Seat badge on it..... :-)

Mickeroo

A bit nicer looking than the concept of the neo imo.

Shefwedfan

Mickeroo wrote: »

A bit nicer looking than the concept of the neo imo.

I will hold judgement till I see both production models


I do love some of the cars Seat are coming out with.


They just seem to be making some nice looking car and with VW technology underneath them it is a winner.....

ID.3 seems to have a better brand ID (see what I did there). This SEAT looks like a bastard child of Model 3, i3 and L40 with some Opel Astra thrown in. It's a rather good looking car though. Interior looks great too colour excepted.

62 kWh should result in a very competitive range compared to Niro and L62 and this will probably charge at real 100 kW if not 150 kW.

ELM327

My first thought was seat el bjorn for some reason.
Silly name.

Ryath

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It the ID Neo with a Seat badge on it..... :-)

That's what nearly all VAG group cars are Same chassis and mechanical bits. Huge amount of switch gear is shared across the range. Good chance the Seat will undercut the ID 3 on price. It won't has a much tech as standard, it will use cheaper plastics in the cabin, have less sound deadening material but look much more stylish and sporty. Pretty much exactly like the Golf vs Leon now

ELM327 wrote: »

My first thought was seat el bjorn for some reason.
Silly name.

I was saying it in my head that way too at first. I may be debageing it!

Shefwedfan

Ryath wrote: »

That's what nearly VAG group cars are Same chassis and mechanical bits. Huge amount of switch gear is shared across the range. Good chance the Seat will undercut the ID 3 on price. It won't has a much tech as standard, it will use cheaper plastics in the cabin, have less sound deadening material but look much more stylish and sporty. Pretty much exactly like the Golf vs Leon now



I was saying in my head that way too at first. I may be debageing it!

A lot of the cars at the moment from Seat are looking very good

unkel

Will be exactly same car underneath as the Neo, but sportier looking and €1k cheaper. What's not to like?

scooby77

Have to say the likes of that and polestar( different league I know, but...) are catching my eye. Maybe Rivian too. Fun designs.
Plan was current Seat diesel 2/3 more years. Then hybrid/phev then inevitably electric.
However I like the look of where electric design appears to be going ( and of course range and performance).
Might skip hybrid!

Leonidas BL

Thats not bad at all. Ill be goin for a test drive in that when it arrives.

Shefwedfan

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Thats not bad at all. Ill be goin for a test drive in that when it arrives.

I wouldn't hold breath....it wont see a dealer till the ID is out and sold a good few...

VW will not allow Seat to take sales away from ID

Leonidas BL

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I wouldn't hold breath....it wont see a dealer till the ID is out and sold a good few...

VW will not allow Seat to take sales away from ID

I wait for it. In no rush.

scooby77

Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?

Shefwedfan

scooby77 wrote: »

Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?

ID is RWD, they said this on first test drive


Based on the eGolf with only 115-130Bhp a FWD car would have huge issues with wheel spin. Switching to a RWD makes prefect sense


Will be interesting to see what they do with Crozz, they will have an AWD version but on the single drive will they do RWD

Ryath

Some new pics of the car in Geneva
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/seat-el-born-brands-first-bespoke-ev

No real new info though

dloob

scooby77 wrote: »

Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?

It's a trend for VW group at least.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/volkswagen-abandons-front-wheel-drive-evs/
They say EVs have too much torque for FWD and there is no cost saving in having FWD in an EV.
Wouldn't be surprised if more designed from scratch EVs go with RWD, while converted cars like the e208 and Kona stay FWD.

Shefwedfan

dloob wrote: »

It's a trend for VW group at least.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/volkswagen-abandons-front-wheel-drive-evs/
They say EVs have too much torque for FWD and there is no cost saving in having FWD in an EV.
Wouldn't be surprised if more designed from scratch EVs go with RWD, while converted cars like the e208 and Kona stay FWD.

The ID will be RWD or AWD, they have AWD for the Crozz and the buggie

aliveandkicking

Looks like a great car. Must say I'm really liking the direction VAG are heading. Their EV designs are lovely and they now seem to get it. There will be some traditional auto that won't make it as the world transitions to electric. VAG will though, I see them still dominating in 10 years time.

Mike9832

aliveandkicking wrote: »

Looks like a great car. Must say I'm really liking the direction VAG are heading. Their EV designs are lovely and they now seem to get it. There will be some traditional auto that won't make it as the world transitions to electric. VAG will though, I see them still dominating in 10 years time.

With concepts?

Leonidas BL

Mike9832 wrote: »

With concepts?

Every new generation has concept's.

Shefwedfan

aliveandkicking wrote: »

Looks like a great car. Must say I'm really liking the direction VAG are heading. Their EV designs are lovely and they now seem to get it. There will be some traditional auto that won't make it as the world transitions to electric. VAG will though, I see them still dominating in 10 years time.

I think so as well.....no surprise.....with the Neo, Crozz and Buzz they have 3 cars which look incredible

Ryath

Few videos up of the car no decent ones in english though.

This gave the most thorough look around I've seen. It's quite spacious and has a pretty decent sized boot. 62kwh battery and 200bhp. Had seen comments else where that the entry level one would start with a 48kwh battery and less power. Meant to be a bigger battery too and possibility of 4wd. Say that will be saved for the Cupra version!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzwOVLrEJs

jeremy_g

Or this one in Spanish...

nkay1985

Does anyone know what the typical timelines are for the likes of this - from a 95% production--ready car being exhibited to ready for purchase in Ireland? Would we probably talking 2021?

It's a beautiful car. Have been in Seats since 2011 and really like them. The lack of an EV means I'm seriously considering moving away from them. If this was available in 12-18 months, I may well hang on.

unkel

nkay1985 wrote: »

If this was available in 12-18 months, I may well hang on.

By 18 months I presume you mean on a 211 reg?

I'd say chances are it will be available here by then.

CFC007

The full production car is to reveled at the Frankfurt motor show in September along side the VW ID .3

nkay1985 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the typical timelines are for the likes of this - from a 95% production--ready car being exhibited to ready for purchase in Ireland? Would we probably talking 2021?

It's a beautiful car. Have been in Seats since 2011 and really like them. The lack of an EV means I'm seriously considering moving away from them. If this was available in 12-18 months, I may well hang on.

pdpmur

scooby77 wrote: »

Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?

Reading the various published interviews with VW people, they say that the strategy for rwd came from the following:
Unloading of the front wheels under acceleration, so wheelspin becomes a big issue for with the high wheel torque available in a fwd ev
Assembly - the motor is mounted on a rear subframe, making assembly faster (sub-assemblies ready to go)
Packaging - Space up front (froot, frunk, surely someone can come up with a decent-sounding name) is liberated for all of the other bits and pieces including A/C unit which can be moved out of the cabin, thus liberating cabin space for the occupants

My guess is that cars designed to be either ICE or hybrid or ev (e.g. ioniq or 208) or derived from fwd cars (present gen zoe) will likely remain as fwd in the near future due to the limitations of the design, but purpose-designed ev's will tend to be rwd except maybe for sub-compacts (e.g. zoe)

Fitz2011

https://ev-database.org/car/1178/SEAT-el-Born
Anyone know if this will be available next year? Saying in the link above available from March 2020

Leonidas BL

Fitz2011 wrote: »

https://ev-database.org/car/1178/SEAT-el-Born
Anyone know if this will be available next year? Saying in the link above available from March 2020

I cant see why not. They did say 2020 for their electric car.

Shefwedfan

Fitz2011 wrote: »

https://ev-database.org/car/1178/SEAT-el-Born
Anyone know if this will be available next year? Saying in the link above available from March 2020

Maybe in some capacity but I doubt they will allow it to take the thunder from the ID.3....


I would expect demo's maybe towards the end of year after the ID.3 is out in market a while...

Mc-BigE

new video on youtube from Bob.

https://youtu.be/q9ozpXW8zdk

scooby77

Mc-BigE wrote: »

new video on youtube from Bob.

https://youtu.be/q9ozpXW8zdk

Nice machine, range/ performance seem fine, not overly impressive As usual pricing be key.
As a current Seat owner it's another option.

krissovo

Stunning car to look at inside and out. Let down by a horrible lump of grey plastic around the gear selector and driver screen like an old Citroen.

DesperateDan

I think aside from Tesla, Seat and Peugeot have the best looking cars coming down the line.

Leonidas BL

Jaysus 7.5 seconds 0-100 isnt too bad.

unkel

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Jaysus 7.5 seconds 0-100 isnt too bad.

+1

Not sure why Bob mentioned that time was not fast. I guess he still has fairly limited experience in driving EVs.

It's not the 0-100km/h where EVs excel, it's the initial take off from traffic lights. Effortlessly, and without abusing the clutch like you would have to in a traditional manual ICE car

saying in UK likely cost £26,000

anyone have any idea what would that mean in Ireland taking into account the EV vrt and vat rates?

AMKC

glasso wrote: »

saying in UK likely cost £26,000

anyone have any idea what would that mean in Ireland taking into account the EV vrt and vat rates?

Just a guess but I would say at least 36k maybe even into the 40s.

A Hyundai Kona is 36 k and this is a bigger car so it will be that at least.

Leonidas BL

AMKC wrote: »

Just a guess but I would say at least 36k maybe even into the 40s.

A Hyundai Kona is 36 k and this is a bigger car so it will be that at least.

But, its designed from the ground up as an electric car. Not an ordinary car with electric shoved into it. Im gonna say it'll start at around 35k.

DesperateDan

I think Hyundai were fully aware they had the first 64kw sub-€100k BEV on the market and charged accordingly

bonoman66

AMKC wrote: »

Just a guess but I would say at least 36k maybe even into the 40s.

A Hyundai Kona is 36 k and this is a bigger car so it will be that at least.

I don't believe you'll currently be able to purchase a brand new Ireland Spec Hyundai Kona Electric in the Republic of Ireland for 36K - you can add nearly 4k to that price. Its definitely retailing nearer the 39k-40k mark from what I've seen ?

Mc-BigE

spotted this article in the Seat Ireland website, no mention of price or pre-register details etc. but ill be watching with interest.

https://www.seat.ie/company/news/cars/seat-el-born-concept-car.html

slave1

This car appears to be very VW ID3

Shefwedfan

slave1 wrote: »

This car appears to be very VW ID3

Shocking

Patser

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Shocking

Has it loose wiring too?

Third_Echelon

slave1 wrote: »

This car appears to be very VW ID3

Swap the badge out and you have an ID.3

Mc-BigE

when are they taking bookings for the el-born? will it be like the ID.3 pre-register 1st edition

i guess it wont happen until all the ID.3 first editions are paid for.

would be good to have 2 options before committing to the I.D.3

unkel

Mc-BigE wrote: »

when are they taking bookings for the el-born?

The SEAT equivalents of VW cars are generally a bit cheaper, so have less margin. You can be sure that VAG wants to sell a lot of ID.3 before selling any el-Born