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Cupra Born

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  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,532 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Love the look, front looks very Tesla-ish. I assume the final product won't look as hot hatch like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Ryath


    Better pics here.
    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/seats-202bhp-el-born-brands-first-bespoke-ev

    Says it's 95% production ready. It may be equivalent of Fr spec in pics a entry level one mightn't look as sporty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    It the ID Neo with a Seat badge on it..... :-)


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,532 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    A bit nicer looking than the concept of the neo imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    A bit nicer looking than the concept of the neo imo.


    I will hold judgement till I see both production models


    I do love some of the cars Seat are coming out with.


    They just seem to be making some nice looking car and with VW technology underneath them it is a winner.....


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    ID.3 seems to have a better brand ID (see what I did there). This SEAT looks like a bastard child of Model 3, i3 and L40 with some Opel Astra thrown in. It's a rather good looking car though. Interior looks great too colour excepted.

    62 kWh should result in a very competitive range compared to Niro and L62 and this will probably charge at real 100 kW if not 150 kW.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    My first thought was seat el bjorn for some reason.
    Silly name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Ryath


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    It the ID Neo with a Seat badge on it..... :-)
    That's what nearly all VAG group cars are :) Same chassis and mechanical bits. Huge amount of switch gear is shared across the range. Good chance the Seat will undercut the ID 3 on price. It won't has a much tech as standard, it will use cheaper plastics in the cabin, have less sound deadening material but look much more stylish and sporty. Pretty much exactly like the Golf vs Leon now
    ELM327 wrote: »
    My first thought was seat el bjorn for some reason.
    Silly name.

    I was saying it in my head that way too at first. I may be debageing it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Ryath wrote: »
    That's what nearly VAG group cars are :) Same chassis and mechanical bits. Huge amount of switch gear is shared across the range. Good chance the Seat will undercut the ID 3 on price. It won't has a much tech as standard, it will use cheaper plastics in the cabin, have less sound deadening material but look much more stylish and sporty. Pretty much exactly like the Golf vs Leon now



    I was saying in my head that way too at first. I may be debageing it!

    A lot of the cars at the moment from Seat are looking very good


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Will be exactly same car underneath as the Neo, but sportier looking and €1k cheaper. What's not to like?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭scooby77


    Have to say the likes of that and polestar( different league I know, but...) are catching my eye. Maybe Rivian too. Fun designs.
    Plan was current Seat diesel 2/3 more years. Then hybrid/phev then inevitably electric.
    However I like the look of where electric design appears to be going ( and of course range and performance).
    Might skip hybrid!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Thats not bad at all. Ill be goin for a test drive in that when it arrives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Thats not bad at all. Ill be goin for a test drive in that when it arrives.

    I wouldn't hold breath....it wont see a dealer till the ID is out and sold a good few...

    VW will not allow Seat to take sales away from ID


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I wouldn't hold breath....it wont see a dealer till the ID is out and sold a good few...

    VW will not allow Seat to take sales away from ID

    I wait for it. In no rush.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭scooby77


    Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    scooby77 wrote: »
    Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?


    ID is RWD, they said this on first test drive


    Based on the eGolf with only 115-130Bhp a FWD car would have huge issues with wheel spin. Switching to a RWD makes prefect sense


    Will be interesting to see what they do with Crozz, they will have an AWD version but on the single drive will they do RWD


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Ryath




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,834 ✭✭✭dloob


    scooby77 wrote: »
    Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?

    It's a trend for VW group at least.
    https://www.motortrend.com/news/volkswagen-abandons-front-wheel-drive-evs/
    They say EVs have too much torque for FWD and there is no cost saving in having FWD in an EV.
    Wouldn't be surprised if more designed from scratch EVs go with RWD, while converted cars like the e208 and Kona stay FWD.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    dloob wrote: »
    It's a trend for VW group at least.
    https://www.motortrend.com/news/volkswagen-abandons-front-wheel-drive-evs/
    They say EVs have too much torque for FWD and there is no cost saving in having FWD in an EV.
    Wouldn't be surprised if more designed from scratch EVs go with RWD, while converted cars like the e208 and Kona stay FWD.


    The ID will be RWD or AWD, they have AWD for the Crozz and the buggie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭aliveandkicking


    Looks like a great car. Must say I'm really liking the direction VAG are heading. Their EV designs are lovely and they now seem to get it. There will be some traditional auto that won't make it as the world transitions to electric. VAG will though, I see them still dominating in 10 years time.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    Looks like a great car. Must say I'm really liking the direction VAG are heading. Their EV designs are lovely and they now seem to get it. There will be some traditional auto that won't make it as the world transitions to electric. VAG will though, I see them still dominating in 10 years time.

    With concepts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    With concepts?

    Every new generation has concept's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Looks like a great car. Must say I'm really liking the direction VAG are heading. Their EV designs are lovely and they now seem to get it. There will be some traditional auto that won't make it as the world transitions to electric. VAG will though, I see them still dominating in 10 years time.


    I think so as well.....no surprise.....with the Neo, Crozz and Buzz they have 3 cars which look incredible


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Ryath


    Few videos up of the car no decent ones in english though.

    This gave the most thorough look around I've seen. It's quite spacious and has a pretty decent sized boot. 62kwh battery and 200bhp. Had seen comments else where that the entry level one would start with a 48kwh battery and less power. Meant to be a bigger battery too and possibility of 4wd. Say that will be saved for the Cupra version!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭jeremy_g


    Or this one in Spanish...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Does anyone know what the typical timelines are for the likes of this - from a 95% production--ready car being exhibited to ready for purchase in Ireland? Would we probably talking 2021?

    It's a beautiful car. Have been in Seats since 2011 and really like them. The lack of an EV means I'm seriously considering moving away from them. If this was available in 12-18 months, I may well hang on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    nkay1985 wrote: »
    If this was available in 12-18 months, I may well hang on.

    By 18 months I presume you mean on a 211 reg?

    I'd say chances are it will be available here by then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭CFC007


    The full production car is to reveled at the Frankfurt motor show in September along side the VW ID .3
    nkay1985 wrote: »
    Does anyone know what the typical timelines are for the likes of this - from a 95% production--ready car being exhibited to ready for purchase in Ireland? Would we probably talking 2021?

    It's a beautiful car. Have been in Seats since 2011 and really like them. The lack of an EV means I'm seriously considering moving away from them. If this was available in 12-18 months, I may well hang on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭pdpmur


    scooby77 wrote: »
    Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?

    Reading the various published interviews with VW people, they say that the strategy for rwd came from the following:
    Unloading of the front wheels under acceleration, so wheelspin becomes a big issue for with the high wheel torque available in a fwd ev
    Assembly - the motor is mounted on a rear subframe, making assembly faster (sub-assemblies ready to go)
    Packaging - Space up front (froot, frunk, surely someone can come up with a decent-sounding name) is liberated for all of the other bits and pieces including A/C unit which can be moved out of the cabin, thus liberating cabin space for the occupants

    My guess is that cars designed to be either ICE or hybrid or ev (e.g. ioniq or 208) or derived from fwd cars (present gen zoe) will likely remain as fwd in the near future due to the limitations of the design, but purpose-designed ev's will tend to be rwd except maybe for sub-compacts (e.g. zoe)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 Fitz2011


    https://ev-database.org/car/1178/SEAT-el-Born
    Anyone know if this will be available next year? Saying in the link above available from March 2020


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Fitz2011 wrote: »
    https://ev-database.org/car/1178/SEAT-el-Born
    Anyone know if this will be available next year? Saying in the link above available from March 2020

    I cant see why not. They did say 2020 for their electric car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Fitz2011 wrote: »
    https://ev-database.org/car/1178/SEAT-el-Born
    Anyone know if this will be available next year? Saying in the link above available from March 2020


    Maybe in some capacity but I doubt they will allow it to take the thunder from the ID.3....


    I would expect demo's maybe towards the end of year after the ID.3 is out in market a while...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Mc-BigE


    new video on youtube from Bob.

    https://youtu.be/q9ozpXW8zdk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭scooby77


    Mc-BigE wrote: »
    new video on youtube from Bob.

    https://youtu.be/q9ozpXW8zdk

    Nice machine, range/ performance seem fine, not overly impressive As usual pricing be key.
    As a current Seat owner it's another option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭krissovo


    Stunning car to look at inside and out. Let down by a horrible lump of grey plastic around the gear selector and driver screen like an old Citroen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭DesperateDan


    I think aside from Tesla, Seat and Peugeot have the best looking cars coming down the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    Jaysus 7.5 seconds 0-100 isnt too bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Jaysus 7.5 seconds 0-100 isnt too bad.

    +1

    Not sure why Bob mentioned that time was not fast. I guess he still has fairly limited experience in driving EVs.

    It's not the 0-100km/h where EVs excel, it's the initial take off from traffic lights. Effortlessly, and without abusing the clutch like you would have to in a traditional manual ICE car


  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    saying in UK likely cost £26,000

    anyone have any idea what would that mean in Ireland taking into account the EV vrt and vat rates?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,849 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    glasso wrote: »
    saying in UK likely cost £26,000

    anyone have any idea what would that mean in Ireland taking into account the EV vrt and vat rates?

    Just a guess but I would say at least 36k maybe even into the 40s.

    A Hyundai Kona is 36 k and this is a bigger car so it will be that at least.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    AMKC wrote: »
    Just a guess but I would say at least 36k maybe even into the 40s.

    A Hyundai Kona is 36 k and this is a bigger car so it will be that at least.

    But, its designed from the ground up as an electric car. Not an ordinary car with electric shoved into it. Im gonna say it'll start at around 35k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭DesperateDan


    I think Hyundai were fully aware they had the first 64kw sub-€100k BEV on the market and charged accordingly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭bonoman66


    AMKC wrote: »
    Just a guess but I would say at least 36k maybe even into the 40s.

    A Hyundai Kona is 36 k and this is a bigger car so it will be that at least.

    I don't believe you'll currently be able to purchase a brand new Ireland Spec Hyundai Kona Electric in the Republic of Ireland for 36K - you can add nearly 4k to that price. Its definitely retailing nearer the 39k-40k mark from what I've seen ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Mc-BigE


    spotted this article in the Seat Ireland website, no mention of price or pre-register details etc. but ill be watching with interest.

    https://www.seat.ie/company/news/cars/seat-el-born-concept-car.html


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    This car appears to be very VW ID3


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    slave1 wrote: »
    This car appears to be very VW ID3

    Shocking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭Patser


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Shocking

    Has it loose wiring too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon


    slave1 wrote: »
    This car appears to be very VW ID3

    Swap the badge out and you have an ID.3 :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Mc-BigE


    when are they taking bookings for the el-born? will it be like the ID.3 pre-register 1st edition

    i guess it wont happen until all the ID.3 first editions are paid for. :(

    would be good to have 2 options before committing to the I.D.3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Mc-BigE wrote: »
    when are they taking bookings for the el-born?

    The SEAT equivalents of VW cars are generally a bit cheaper, so have less margin. You can be sure that VAG wants to sell a lot of ID.3 before selling any el-Born


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