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Cupra Born

Ryath

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/seat/100354/new-seat-el-born-concept-previews-all-electric-family-car

Looks great not sure about the name though. Looks like it won't be out too long after the VW id. Already in a Seat so should be a better deal to change to this.

seat_el-born_001.jpg?itok=AsH24qEM

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bonoman66

AMKC wrote: »

Just a guess but I would say at least 36k maybe even into the 40s.

A Hyundai Kona is 36 k and this is a bigger car so it will be that at least.

I don't believe you'll currently be able to purchase a brand new Ireland Spec Hyundai Kona Electric in the Republic of Ireland for 36K - you can add nearly 4k to that price. Its definitely retailing nearer the 39k-40k mark from what I've seen ?

DesperateDan

I think Hyundai were fully aware they had the first 64kw sub-€100k BEV on the market and charged accordingly

Leonidas BL

AMKC wrote: »

Just a guess but I would say at least 36k maybe even into the 40s.

A Hyundai Kona is 36 k and this is a bigger car so it will be that at least.

But, its designed from the ground up as an electric car. Not an ordinary car with electric shoved into it. Im gonna say it'll start at around 35k.

AMKC

glasso wrote: »

saying in UK likely cost £26,000

anyone have any idea what would that mean in Ireland taking into account the EV vrt and vat rates?

Just a guess but I would say at least 36k maybe even into the 40s.

A Hyundai Kona is 36 k and this is a bigger car so it will be that at least.

[Deleted User]

saying in UK likely cost £26,000

anyone have any idea what would that mean in Ireland taking into account the EV vrt and vat rates?

unkel

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Jaysus 7.5 seconds 0-100 isnt too bad.

+1

Not sure why Bob mentioned that time was not fast. I guess he still has fairly limited experience in driving EVs.

It's not the 0-100km/h where EVs excel, it's the initial take off from traffic lights. Effortlessly, and without abusing the clutch like you would have to in a traditional manual ICE car

Leonidas BL

Jaysus 7.5 seconds 0-100 isnt too bad.

DesperateDan

I think aside from Tesla, Seat and Peugeot have the best looking cars coming down the line.

krissovo

Stunning car to look at inside and out. Let down by a horrible lump of grey plastic around the gear selector and driver screen like an old Citroen.

scooby77

Mc-BigE wrote: »

new video on youtube from Bob.

https://youtu.be/q9ozpXW8zdk

Nice machine, range/ performance seem fine, not overly impressive As usual pricing be key.
As a current Seat owner it's another option.

Mc-BigE

new video on youtube from Bob.

https://youtu.be/q9ozpXW8zdk

Shefwedfan

Fitz2011 wrote: »

https://ev-database.org/car/1178/SEAT-el-Born
Anyone know if this will be available next year? Saying in the link above available from March 2020

Maybe in some capacity but I doubt they will allow it to take the thunder from the ID.3....

I would expect demo's maybe towards the end of year after the ID.3 is out in market a while...

Leonidas BL

Fitz2011 wrote: »

https://ev-database.org/car/1178/SEAT-el-Born
Anyone know if this will be available next year? Saying in the link above available from March 2020

I cant see why not. They did say 2020 for their electric car.

Fitz2011

https://ev-database.org/car/1178/SEAT-el-Born
Anyone know if this will be available next year? Saying in the link above available from March 2020

pdpmur

scooby77 wrote: »

Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?

Reading the various published interviews with VW people, they say that the strategy for rwd came from the following:
Unloading of the front wheels under acceleration, so wheelspin becomes a big issue for with the high wheel torque available in a fwd ev
Assembly - the motor is mounted on a rear subframe, making assembly faster (sub-assemblies ready to go)
Packaging - Space up front (froot, frunk, surely someone can come up with a decent-sounding name) is liberated for all of the other bits and pieces including A/C unit which can be moved out of the cabin, thus liberating cabin space for the occupants

My guess is that cars designed to be either ICE or hybrid or ev (e.g. ioniq or 208) or derived from fwd cars (present gen zoe) will likely remain as fwd in the near future due to the limitations of the design, but purpose-designed ev's will tend to be rwd except maybe for sub-compacts (e.g. zoe)

CFC007

The full production car is to reveled at the Frankfurt motor show in September along side the VW ID .3

nkay1985 wrote: »

Does anyone know what the typical timelines are for the likes of this - from a 95% production--ready car being exhibited to ready for purchase in Ireland? Would we probably talking 2021?

It's a beautiful car. Have been in Seats since 2011 and really like them. The lack of an EV means I'm seriously considering moving away from them. If this was available in 12-18 months, I may well hang on.

unkel

nkay1985 wrote: »

If this was available in 12-18 months, I may well hang on.

By 18 months I presume you mean on a 211 reg?

I'd say chances are it will be available here by then.

nkay1985

Does anyone know what the typical timelines are for the likes of this - from a 95% production--ready car being exhibited to ready for purchase in Ireland? Would we probably talking 2021?

It's a beautiful car. Have been in Seats since 2011 and really like them. The lack of an EV means I'm seriously considering moving away from them. If this was available in 12-18 months, I may well hang on.

jeremy_g

Or this one in Spanish...

Ryath

Few videos up of the car no decent ones in english though.

This gave the most thorough look around I've seen. It's quite spacious and has a pretty decent sized boot. 62kwh battery and 200bhp. Had seen comments else where that the entry level one would start with a 48kwh battery and less power. Meant to be a bigger battery too and possibility of 4wd. Say that will be saved for the Cupra version!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzwOVLrEJs

Shefwedfan

aliveandkicking wrote: »

Looks like a great car. Must say I'm really liking the direction VAG are heading. Their EV designs are lovely and they now seem to get it. There will be some traditional auto that won't make it as the world transitions to electric. VAG will though, I see them still dominating in 10 years time.

I think so as well.....no surprise.....with the Neo, Crozz and Buzz they have 3 cars which look incredible

Leonidas BL

Mike9832 wrote: »

With concepts?

Every new generation has concept's.

Mike9832

aliveandkicking wrote: »

Looks like a great car. Must say I'm really liking the direction VAG are heading. Their EV designs are lovely and they now seem to get it. There will be some traditional auto that won't make it as the world transitions to electric. VAG will though, I see them still dominating in 10 years time.

With concepts?

aliveandkicking

Looks like a great car. Must say I'm really liking the direction VAG are heading. Their EV designs are lovely and they now seem to get it. There will be some traditional auto that won't make it as the world transitions to electric. VAG will though, I see them still dominating in 10 years time.

Shefwedfan

dloob wrote: »

It's a trend for VW group at least.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/volkswagen-abandons-front-wheel-drive-evs/
They say EVs have too much torque for FWD and there is no cost saving in having FWD in an EV.
Wouldn't be surprised if more designed from scratch EVs go with RWD, while converted cars like the e208 and Kona stay FWD.

The ID will be RWD or AWD, they have AWD for the Crozz and the buggie

dloob

scooby77 wrote: »

Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?

It's a trend for VW group at least.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/volkswagen-abandons-front-wheel-drive-evs/
They say EVs have too much torque for FWD and there is no cost saving in having FWD in an EV.
Wouldn't be surprised if more designed from scratch EVs go with RWD, while converted cars like the e208 and Kona stay FWD.

Ryath

Some new pics of the car in Geneva
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/seat-el-born-brands-first-bespoke-ev

No real new info though

seat-evz-.jpg?itok=yui8IOHu

Shefwedfan

scooby77 wrote: »

Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?

ID is RWD, they said this on first test drive

Based on the eGolf with only 115-130Bhp a FWD car would have huge issues with wheel spin. Switching to a RWD makes prefect sense

Will be interesting to see what they do with Crozz, they will have an AWD version but on the single drive will they do RWD

scooby77

Read it's RWD. Can't find same written about ID neo, but assume it's same. Is that the general trend for future EVs- RWD or AWD?

Leonidas BL

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I wouldn't hold breath....it wont see a dealer till the ID is out and sold a good few...

VW will not allow Seat to take sales away from ID

I wait for it. In no rush.