UFC 235 - Jones vs Smith, Woodley vs Usman - Sat March 2nd

JitzNdHitz

The Nal wrote: »

https://twitter.com/_ScottBond_/status/1102223643654975495?s=19

Looks bad stoppage looking at it like that alright.

Wrongway1985

Oh no you actually can see his thumb go up

That clip is missing a few important seconds. His arm initially went limp, no question. He had it up on Askren's head and it fell down limp. (not shown on the above clip). When Herb checked on him a second later, his arm was not limp; he gave a thumbs up.

A weird one. He was out and then not out but I don't see any adjustment or letting off on the choke from Askren. I wonder would Robbie have faked the limp arm Brazilian-tap style..

TerrorFirmer

Great card, best I've seen in a while, apart from a frustrating main. Smith just had nothing to offer, and was completely outclassed, he should've just started taking some big risks because there was no way he was going to win that fight from R2 onwards.

I don't think the controversial stoppage was as bad as some made it out to be. Even the commentators though Lawler was out, whatever about that half-committed thumbs up, his arm completely dropped limp from its position on Askren's head.

Not the finish either man would've wanted, but I think Lawler was beaten once Askren had that choke on. But man, that slam and subsequent beatdown was something else, Lawler was unlucky to not get the finish.

What can you say about Usman....he made Tyron look like a bum, but I think we should more talk about what that says about Usman rather than Tyron. Unbelievable performance. Is there some reason he didn't get performance of the night, that surprises me.

Good scrap from Zhang as well, Corbrandt played it dumb and paid big time. Overall a really good main card.

spix

Deleted User wrote: »

That clip is missing a few important seconds. His arm initially went limp, no question. He had it up on Askren's head and it fell down limp. (not shown on the above clip). When Herb checked on him a second later, his arm was not limp; he gave a thumbs up.

A weird one. He was out and then not out but I don't see any adjustment or letting off on the choke from Askren. I wonder would Robbie have faked the limp arm Brazilian-tap style..

His arm didn't initially go limp... he let it fall down, there was no point to having his arm where it was.

EagererBeaver

mangobob wrote: »

Hence the "only more hesitant" part of my comment. In both fights Woodley barely fired a shot. The only difference is that the few shots he fired against Wonderboy landed. The ones against Usman didnt.

The first fight won fight of the night FFS.

spix

spix wrote: »

His arm didn't initially go limp... he let it fall down, there was no point to having his arm where it was.

It went limp.

When your arm is up and you want it lower down, you don't let it flop down like a sack of potatoes - that's just not a natural movement.

https://streamja.com/PylQ

mangobob

EagererBeaver wrote: »

The first fight won fight of the night FFS.

You're absolutely right. My bad. I should have said the second fight. Dunno how I got them confused, that first fight was epic.

ricero

Woodley looked like he took aload of xanax before he stepped foot in the octagon. Shocking performance from his usual high standards.

Witcher

Big John gives his take on it

https://twitter.com/JohnMcCarthyMMA/status/1102230986274889728?s=19

mailburner

ricero wrote: »

Woodley looked like he took aload of xanax before he stepped foot in the octagon. Shocking performance from his usual high standards.

It's the most passive I've seen him since he fought jake shields
too bad to be true in fairness and he'll be waiting a long time to get
another shot

mailburner

This time next year

jones v walker for the strap


wouldn't that be some fight if walker continues to look this good?

even at this stage bar maybe cormier, is there anyone who can even test jones?

would give anything to see rumble come back to take on jones also

Tazzimus

mailburner wrote: »

This time next year

jones v walker for the strap


wouldn't that be some fight if walker continues to look this good?

even at this stage bar maybe cormier, is there anyone who can even test jones?

would give anything to see rumble come back to take on jones also

Jones would murder Rumble, DC managed it easy enough.

Zero-Cool

I cheered so much when Robbie dumped Ben on his head, thought for sure he was gonna finish him. Askren is a tough bastard.

https://twitter.com/thuhGooch/status/1102262195927302144?s=19

Zero-Cool

Also, looks like Till accepts bens fallout.

https://twitter.com/darrentill2/status/1102294299226619905?s=19

mailburner

Tazzimus wrote: »

Jones would murder Rumble, DC managed it easy enough.

not so sure, cormier did what he was best and didn't want to stand with rumble in the first fight
there would be a good chance of jones standing and trading with rumble imo which would be close enough imo considering most that stood with rumble were knocked out or beaten badly (phil davis)

I don't think santos possesses rumbles power but he is a good striker who could have some success against jones without possibly ever beating him

Tazzimus

mailburner wrote: »

not so sure, cormier did what he was best and didn't want to stand with rumble in the first fight
there would be a good chance of jones standing and trading with rumble imo which would be close enough imo considering most that stood with rumble were knocked out or beaten badly (phil davis)

I don't think santos possesses rumbles power but he is a good striker who could have some success against jones without possibly ever beating him

Jones wouldn't be stupid enough to stand and trade with the risk of having his soul separated from his body by Rumbles fist.
He'd do what DC did and take him down and wear him out.

derfderf

Tazzimus wrote: »

Jones wouldn't be stupid enough to stand and trade with the risk of having his soul separated from his body by Rumbles fist.
He'd do what DC did and take him down and wear him out.

Jones actually said during the week thank god rumble will never make 205 again. He's glad he never had to take a smack from him.

Tazzimus

derfderf wrote: »

Jones actually said during the week thank god rumble will never make 205 again. He's glad he never had to take a smack from him.

I imagine a lot of people are glad

Teddy Daniels

Deleted User wrote: »

That clip is missing a few important seconds. His arm initially went limp, no question. He had it up on Askren's head and it fell down limp. (not shown on the above clip). When Herb checked on him a second later, his arm was not limp; he gave a thumbs up.

A weird one. He was out and then not out but I don't see any adjustment or letting off on the choke from Askren. I wonder would Robbie have faked the limp arm Brazilian-tap style..

This is my suspicion.

Teddy Daniels

Deleted User wrote: »

It went limp.

When your arm is up and you want it lower down, you don't let it flop down like a sack of potatoes - that's just not a natural movement.

https://streamja.com/PylQ

He was either out or faking being out , his reaction afterwards was like oh it’s ok so I believe he faked being out to get a rematch.

mailburner

Jones comes across as a lovely guy at the presser
I think he's changed for the better, learnt from his mistakes and in
time will be a great role model

jaysus he bring fake to new levels

spix

Deleted User wrote: »

It went limp.

When your arm is up and you want it lower down, you don't let it flop down like a sack of potatoes - that's just not a natural movement.

https://streamja.com/PylQ

Yes you do actually, its called gravity

spix

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

He was either out or faking being out , his reaction afterwards was like oh it’s ok so I believe he faked being out to get a rematch.

Yeah he faked being out by clearly giving a thumbs up and keeping his arm up when herb went to check.

TerrorFirmer

spix wrote: »

Yeah he faked being out by clearly giving a thumbs up and keeping his arm up when herb went to check.

It's not that ambiguous. His arm flopped lifelessly to the mat after he choke was applied heavily, can't really blame Herb Dean for not seeing the subsequent thumbs up tucked underneath Lawler.

There's a world of difference between dropping your hand, and it flopping to the mat in a textback choked-out fashion.

Whether he was faking or not, the ref made a decent call based on what was in front of him in real time.

Reminds me of Sam Alvey complaining of the unfair stoppage when he was turtled taking a pounding and not intelligently defending.

You can argue till the cows come home but it was a fair stoppage to me in the context of the fight and while Herb Dean has made some bad stoppages that wasn't really one of them.

Marc Goddard showed some serious lack of judgement in comparison during the Usman/Woodley fight with the whole "this is a fight" spiel, while Usman was working away relentlessly.

Teddy Daniels

spix wrote: »

Yeah he faked being out by clearly giving a thumbs up and keeping his arm up when herb went to check.

That arm drop had both rogan and Dom screaming he was out
Herb clearly formed the same opinion
It wasn’t a natural movement and yes I get that he gave a thumbs up
I think he gave up on the charade at that stage
He was done anyway he wasn’t getting out of that bulldog and a jaw/head squeeze is a bad place to be.

Teddy Daniels

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

It's not that ambiguous. His arm flopped lifelessly to the mat after he choke was applied heavily, can't really blame Herb Dean for not seeing the subsequent thumbs up tucked underneath Lawler.

There's a world of difference between dropping your hand, and it flopping to the mat in a textback choked-out fashion.

Whether he was faking or not, the ref made a decent call based on what was in front of him in real time.

Reminds me of Sam Alvey complaining of the unfair stoppage when he was turtled taking a pounding and not intelligently defending.

You can argue till the cows come home but it was a fair stoppage to me in the context of the fight and while Herb Dean has made some bad stoppages that wasn't really one of them.

Marc Goddard showed some serious lack of judgement in comparison during the Usman/Woodley fight with the whole "this is a fight" spiel, while Usman was working away relentlessly.

Was that Goddard ?
What was he at with all those stand ups ?

spix

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

It's not that ambiguous. His arm flopped lifelessly to the mat after he choke was applied heavily, can't really blame Herb Dean for not seeing the subsequent thumbs up tucked underneath Lawler.

There's a world of difference between dropping your hand, and it flopping to the mat in a textback choked-out fashion.

Whether he was faking or not, the ref made a decent call based on what was in front of him in real time.

Reminds me of Sam Alvey complaining of the unfair stoppage when he was turtled taking a pounding and not intelligently defending.

You can argue till the cows come home but it was a fair stoppage to me in the context of the fight and while Herb Dean has made some bad stoppages that wasn't really one of them.

Marc Goddard showed some serious lack of judgement in comparison during the Usman/Woodley fight with the whole "this is a fight" spiel, while Usman was working away relentlessly.

Ok forget the thumbs up, he picked up lawlers arm and when he let it go it didn't fall down, but he already had his hand on askrens chest ready to stop it. He just failed at being a good ref there imo....

His arm wasn't lifeless that is how anyone would let it fall down from the position, why put effort into moving your arm when you can just relax it and let gravity do its job.

spix

Teddy Daniels wrote: »

That arm drop had both rogan and Dom screaming he was out
Herb clearly formed the same opinion
It wasn’t a natural movement and yes I get that he gave a thumbs up
I think he gave up on the charade at that stage
He was done anyway he wasn’t getting out of that bulldog and a jaw/head squeeze is a bad place to be.

Commentators often say things which are completely wrong and influence viewers opinions, its possible hearb also heard them and was influenced. Just because askren said he wasn't going to let go doesn't mean he wouldn't have. If he kept the pressure on he would've burnt his arms out eventually. Some chokes just aren't in right and doesn't matter how long you hold it for you won't get a tap, he would've let go or not squeezed as hard eventually.

The way he left his arm down is a completely natural movement, he just relaxed it and let gravity do its job rather than exerting effort to move his muscles for no reason

Teddy Daniels

spix wrote: »

Commentators often say things which are completely wrong and influence viewers opinions, its possible hearb also heard them and was influenced. Just because askren said he wasn't going to let go doesn't mean he wouldn't have. If he kept the pressure on he would've burnt his arms out eventually. Some chokes just aren't in right and doesn't matter how long you hold it for you won't get a tap, he would've let go or not squeezed as hard eventually.

The way he left his arm down is a completely natural movement, he just relaxed it and let gravity do its job rather than exerting effort to move his muscles for no reason

I’ve watched that arm 20 times
It’s either an unconscious man or a pretending to be ones arm
That’s my opinion.
No body just lets their muscles and appendages fall around btw they move them
Show me one time ever that any not unconscious ufc fighter droops an appendage like that. I bet you can’t .