Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

connachta

salmocab wrote: »

I imagined it quite easily to be honest, although to be perfectly honest and I know this will shock you I didn’t even consider Connacht. They will do whatever they can do to get things done and if it’s harsh on some teams then really there’s not much can be done.
If I was you though I’d not spend anytime worrying about it because there’s just no way to know what will happen and whatever does happen will be well beyond your control.

I'm not a greek Stoic.
And no, there's a simple thing to do, stopping the season where it is
13 games means, approximately a "fair" (though already biaised in Treviso's favour) dispertions of fixtures between teams of different level.
Derbies don't.
If it's about TV/preparing players for play-offs/next season, ok, have matches, but it can't count

thomond2006

Any policy that upsets the Connaught plebs should be rigorously pursued.

salmocab

connachta wrote: »

I'm not a greek Stoic.
And no, there's a simple thing to do, stopping the season where it is
13 games means, approximately a "fair" (though already biaised in Treviso's favour) dispertions of fixtures between teams of different level.
Derbies don't.
If it's about TV/preparing players for play-offs/next season, ok, have matches, but it can't count

It can count if they want it to, it may impact things like tv revenue and sponsorship if the season doesn’t have more games played. Ultimately they will do what’s best for the league and are unlikely to be too worried whether a few people feel it was unfair. As I said though don’t be worrying about it as at this stage nobody knows how things are going to pan out.

connachta

salmocab wrote: »

It can count if they want it to, it may impact things like tv revenue and sponsorship if the season doesn’t have more games played. Ultimately they will do what’s best for the league and are unlikely to be too worried whether a few people feel it was unfair. As I said though don’t be worrying about it as at this stage nobody knows how things are going to pan out.

few people feel it was unfair?



Imagine Munster defending in the same position playing Leisnter, vs Treviso playing Zebre


it doesn't feel unfair. It is, and not on small dose.

salmocab

connachta wrote: »

few people feel it was unfair?



Imagine Munster defending in the same position playing Leisnter, vs Treviso playing Zebre


it doesn't feel unfair. It is, and not on small dose.

I have no idea what your trying to say

Eod100

I guess if the league is cut short it will be fairly arbitrary about deciding positions but if every team has played the same number of games, it's the fairest way it could be under these circumstances. Could argue that other teams would have finished higher up in table but it's all hypothetical and with a very low chance of finishing all 21 league games, I don't think there's any other alternative unfortunately.

Burkie1203

Eod100 wrote: »

I guess if the league is cut short it will be fairly arbitrary about deciding positions but if every team has played the same number of games, it's the fairest way it could be under these circumstances. Could argue that other teams would have finished higher up in table but it's all hypothetical and with a very low chance of finishing all 21 league games, I don't think there's any other alternative unfortunately.

Derbies behind closed doors will be as much for the TV companies as anything else. It gives them something to sell to people craving some live sport which they cannot attend.

Trying to look at different govt approaches and requirements. F1 seems to be in trouble trying to host races later in the year due to UK guidelines on mandatory 14 day quarantine upon entering the UK/England which means for the Gallagher Premiership hosting or traveling to France or Ireland will be a problem.

If that 14 Day ruling here in Ireland goes on until the end of the year (possible) then how realistic is it that there will be Pro14 or European cup, or international rugby if players have to be here 2 weeks in advance

Marathon and the race series cancelled today. 4-7 months in advance.

Eod100

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Derbies behind closed doors will be as much for the TV companies as anything else. It gives them something to sell to people craving some live sport which they cannot attend.

Trying to look at different govt approaches and requirements. F1 seems to be in trouble trying to host races later in the year due to UK guidelines on mandatory 14 day quarantine upon entering the UK/England which means for the Gallagher Premiership hosting or traveling to France or Ireland will be a problem.

If that 14 Day ruling here in Ireland goes on until the end of the year (possible) then how realistic is it that there will be Pro14 or European cup, or international rugby if players have to be here 2 weeks in advance

Marathon and the race series cancelled today. 4-7 months in advance.

Yeah will be interesting to see how it plays out. I guess if there is capacity then teams could be tested on entry but would still need to be here at least 3-5 days before match to get result back in time. Unless players get tested a few days before they're due to depart?

I know rugby is specified in roadmap for stage 5 after August 10th but hard to see what travel and quarantine restrictions will be around by then for pro14, Europe and international matches.

Banner fights back

Any word on who will be the fifth coach added to Munster's coaching ticket?

SoSolidFool

phog wrote: »

There's one or two posters here who seem to want to say that Cronin deliberately took performance enhancing drugs and when found out, the team doctor, Munster and Irish Rugby and a pharmacy collaborated to dream up a chain of events that would go some way towards clearing Cronin or trying for him not getting a ban or getting a reduced ban.

It might be less painful for the normal followers of this thread if we just nod in agreement and let them get on with their conspiracy theories. They might tire and move on to a thread on how the world is square.

Yeah mate its all a coincidence that the drug that the pharmacist mixed up for the professional rugby player just happened to be a performance enhancing steroidal drug.

Get a grip.

phog

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Yeah mate its all a coincidence that the drug that the pharmacist mixed up for the professional rugby player just happened to be a performance enhancing steroidal drug.

Get a grip.

Welcome to boards

bennyl10

Banner fights back wrote: »

Any word on who will be the fifth coach added to Munster's coaching ticket?

wouldn't shock me if it ended up being Tyler, they've praised his leadership and coaching on multiple occasions

Caranica

Banner fights back wrote: »

Any word on who will be the fifth coach added to Munster's coaching ticket?

JvG said on the State of Play video that it is still their plan and they will be considering their options after Covid.

Having said that I think Bennyl10 is right, all indications are that Tyler will be part of the set up going forward.

Cookiemunster

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Yeah mate its all a coincidence that the drug that the pharmacist mixed up for the professional rugby player just happened to be a performance enhancing steroidal drug.

Get a grip.

Well the independent Judicial Officer, EPCR, the IRFU, World Rugby and Sport Ireland all believe the sequence of events. I think I'll go with the opinion of the people who have all the evidence rather than some randomer on the internet.

SoSolidFool

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Well the independent Judicial Officer, EPCR, the IRFU, World Rugby and Sport Ireland all believe the sequence of events. I think I'll go with the opinion of the people who have all the evidence rather than some randomer on the internet.

Lol its an incredible coincidence that a rugby player just happened to be accidentally given a steroid at his local pharmacy. Of all the prescriptions in the world to be mixed up its a steroid given to a professional athlete?

I think this has been swept under the carpet behind closed doors. If you want to believe the fairytale of two prescriptions, one of which was a performance enhancing drug, being mixed up and then coincidently given to the customer that was a professional rugby player then be my guest.

irishbucsfan

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Yeah mate its all a coincidence that the drug that the pharmacist mixed up for the professional rugby player just happened to be a performance enhancing steroidal drug.

Get a grip.

Yeah... except its not a performance enhancing drug in the doses it was prescribed or taken. And long term use of it is performance dehancing.

The concern was that it would have been used to cover up something else. Sport Ireland, who’d have access to previous testing results as well as other information that’d help rule out that scenario, wouldn’t have ceded their ability to pursue it if they were concerned there was a possibility that was going on. As soon as they made that decision it was good enough for me anyway, you can believe whatever you want based on whatever level of evidence makes you happy.

aloooof

SoSolidFool wrote: »

Lol its an incredible coincidence that a rugby player just happened to be accidentally given a steroid at his local pharmacy. Of all the prescriptions in the world to be mixed up its a steroid given to a professional athlete?

I think this has been swept under the carpet behind closed doors. If you want to believe the fairytale of two prescriptions, one of which was a performance enhancing drug, being mixed up and then coincidently given to the customer that was a professional rugby player then be my guest.

Again, you'd have to believe it's been swept under the carpet by the independent Judicial Officer, EPCR, the IRFU, World Rugby and Sport Ireland. But have at it.

Buer

bennyl10 wrote: »

wouldn't shock me if it ended up being Tyler, they've praised his leadership and coaching on multiple occasions

I was looking at the current set up. The only gap I can really see is for someone who is a specialist in some area. JPF is defence coach, Larkham looks after backs/attack, Rowntree is in charge of forwards (and scrum, I assume given his background). That would leave a specialist coach for something like skills/kicking in the Richie Murphy mould.

sydthebeat

Buer wrote: »

I was looking at the current set up. The only gap I can really see is for someone who is a specialist in some area. JPF is defence coach, Larkham looks after backs/attack, Rowntree is in charge of forwards (and scrum, I assume given his background). That would leave a specialist coach for something like skills/kicking in the Richie Murphy mould.

it would be funny to see TB as kicking coach... with Larkham in the other corner watching him.......

Caranica

Tyler's retirement announced. No mention of coaching.

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1263084756738150401?s=19

Eod100

Disappointing for him but probably right decision long-term. No coaching role for him then.

thomond2006

Such a shame that his career ended in this manner but it was on the cards. The talent was definitely there but his body/luck just wouldn't allow him to have a consistent run outside of the one season.

theVersatile

I like how people are going "oh its very suspicious that the drug Cronin took so happened to be a banned substance".

Have ye seen the WADA Prohibited List? There's an absolute bucket load of banned "steroidal substances there". I'd be more surprised if the incorrectly prescribed medication wasn't banned tbh. Strict liability and all that craic still matters as well though.

Sad for Tyler. That try in Thomond post-Axel against Glasgow was a beaut to behold.

Clareman

Best of luck to Tyler in his future, great player who was extremely unlucky with injuries probably best for him to retire at this stage.

Clareman

I don't know about rugby players but I do know that GAA players have a HUGE list of stuff that they can't take, they are pretty much told "if it's not given to you by us don't take it without checking", Cronin was sick, the team doctor prescribled medicine and he took it. He's always going to have a failed drug test on his record and the stigma that goes along with it it's a tough rap.

typhoony

62 appearances in 6 years, did he atrive injured is so that wasn't the smartest investment, was probably on a decent enough wage

Clareman

If I remember correctly he got injured just before he joined us but we signed him anyway as he would have been Irish eligable after a few years and was a top class prospect

Buer

Hugely disappointing for him. When he came through, it was thought he'd go on to be capped. Aaron Cruden was captain of the JWC team before him and Luke Whitelock after him. That's some fairly elite company.

I imagine he came to Ireland with the aim of becoming IQ and collecting a number of caps for us. His career has really been exceptionally unlucky and unfulfilled. He turns 30 next week and, between Super Rugby, Pro14 and the Champions Cup, he only started 55 matches.

thomond2006

So there's now Carbery and Hanrahan in the senior squad, Ben Healy in Year 3, Jake Flannery in Year 2 and Jake Crowley presumably joining the academy next season.

Ben Healy might be promoted early.

phog

While not entirely a surprise it's really tough to see a player plagued by injury and having to retire so early.

I've met him in town a few times and he's always been in the best of spirits. I'm not sure Munster will keep him on in a coaching role but I hope he picks something up either here in Ireland or back home.