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New neighbour applies for permission for monstrous extension - without telling us

  • 19-02-2019 11:28am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    Hi, I'd appreciate any comments on my situation.

    We are living in a 1940s war era semi-d. Looking at our house beside the non-joined property to the left, the two garages adjoin at the front, two passageways then adjoin behind the garages, both of which then lead into the respective gardens.

    We have lived there for many years and always got on great with the neighbour who sadly died two years ago.

    The house was sold last October and there was hardly a sight of the new owners. We caught a glimpse of them one day and they said hello then dropped in a Christmas card with their mobile numbers at Xmas to which we replied. All fine and ok so far. No further sight of them since then.

    Last Wednesday I got a text message from the wifey telling me that a "site notice" had gone up for "a rear extension".

    Having some experience in the area of property, I looked up the plans on the DCC website.

    I was horrified to see that they plan demolishing the passageway on their side and building a 20 foot wall right up adjacent to the boundary which will block out all the light entering our kitchen, breakfast room and converted passageway which is used as a conservatory. By way of contrast the Trump Wall is only ten feet higher!

    This wall would then join across their new kitchen to create a new master bedroom and en suite with a flat roof, above eaves level of the main house roof and have floor to ceiling windows at the front facing the main road. The edifice would then turn to the right, be filled out right to the boundary with us down the garden, have a master bedroom facing into the back garden with floor to ceiling windows and sliding doors and a terrace. These windows/doors would then peer directly into my own extension at the back.

    The protruding master bedroom would then block and overshadow the light coming into my garden terrace adjacent to the back of my house and block off the light entering the rear bedrooms of our house and our view (we can currently see as far as the Spire).

    They are also planning a chimney stack beside my wall sitting on top of their new kitchen, which will extend to the height of the main house itself. What the hell is that for?

    I am absolutely furious that this was carried out with no consultation or notification to us.

    I have heard varying arguments that there is no "right to light" but surely building a 20 foot wall right up against the wall and roof glass of my passageway cannot be permitted?

    I need a drink.

    Mrs S


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus


    Surely they've only requested planning and that's what the site notice says?
    You should be able to complain about the proposed extension.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    Maybe I'm very wrong but should we not have been informed as a courtesy about their plans?

    If I complain to the Council what is the likelihood of the planners taking my concerns into account?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    I am absolutely furious that this was carried out with no consultation or notification to us.


    This part is bizarre. Who are you that you expect a consultation? Why would they even go to the trouble? Contest it if you're that way inclined.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus


    Maybe I'm very wrong but should we not have been informed as a courtesy about their plans?

    If I complain to the Council what is the likelihood of the planners taking my concerns into account?

    Their only obligation is to post the site notice. Common courtesy is another matter though.
    Put in your complaint to the council. The council will take seriously any complaint. Emphasize the issue about daylight being blocked as that is a huge issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Yes, it would have been a courtesy to discuss with you. But that’s all, a courtesy.

    The formal planning process is your chance to formally object. If their proposed changes will block light or intrude on your privacy then you have grounds for a complaint.

    It might be a good idea to call into them for a discussion between neighbours.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,188 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There is no legal requirement for you to be informed; that is what the site notice and newspaper notice is for.

    You would be best advised to get advice from a professional planning consultant as to the viability of objections / appeal if required. You can make observations but ones not grounded in legislation / local area plans / precedent or similar are basically a waste of your fee. There is no direct equivalent of the UK 'right to light' that exists after 20 years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    Maybe I'm very wrong but should we not have been informed as a courtesy about their plans?

    If I complain to the Council what is the likelihood of the planners taking my concerns into account?

    The council will listen to your complaints. Blocking your sun light is a very valid concern.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Maybe I'm very wrong but should we not have been informed as a courtesy about their plans?

    If I complain to the Council what is the likelihood of the planners taking my concerns into account?

    The planning process is what informs you of their plans. Thats what it's for. And it will take account of the issues.

    Object. They will be declined. And then will modify the proposal to what they really expected to get all along.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Maybe I'm very wrong but should we not have been informed as a courtesy about their plans?

    If I complain to the Council what is the likelihood of the planners taking my concerns into account?

    While it might be good for neighbourly relations to mention a building plan to next door, its obvious that your two households are not on that level of "chatty relationship".
    So, the site notice serves to let all and sundry know of a proposed development.

    Would you have consulted next door if you were planning something for your own house?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,841 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Maybe I'm very wrong but should we not have been informed as a courtesy about their plans?

    If I complain to the Council what is the likelihood of the planners taking my concerns into account?

    It mightn't be your right to be consulted about this, but it was bloody stupid of them not too...
    And a bit thick on the part of the architect/planning engineer to think this would just go through on this site,
    Just object, don't get mad, don't get angry, just object...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭swarlb


    The council will listen to your complaints. Blocking your sun light is a very valid concern.

    There is no 'right to light'. I'm on the other side of the fence (excuse the pun) in so far that I have a row of very high trees on my property that block the light to my neighbours garden. Houses are stand alone, and in the country. When I say the trees are high, they are twice the height of my house. These are Lelandaii trees, and were planted long before I bought the house. We are here 20 years and in that time (from looking at old photos) they've grown out of all proportion.
    Myself and neighbour have spoken about them, we both agree they need to come down, however I cannot afford to have them cut (about 25/30 trees) and he cannot afford to go halves. We approached the council, and they have no interest, saying it's our land, our trees, not their concern.
    We used the 'right to light' argument, thinking they might help, and showed an article from an incident in the UK (Leylandaii are seemingly outlawed over there) but they honestly couldn't care less.
    I realise this is a different situation, but the 'right to light' is not a given.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭heebusjeebus


    swarlb wrote: »
    There is no 'right to light'. I'm on the other side of the fence (excuse the pun) in so far that I have a row of very high trees on my property that block the light to my neighbours garden. Houses are stand alone, and in the country. When I say the trees are high, they are twice the height of my house. These are Lelandaii trees, and were planted long before I bought the house. We are here 20 years and in that time (from looking at old photos) they've grown out of all proportion.
    Myself and neighbour have spoken about them, we both agree they need to come down, however I cannot afford to have them cut (about 25/30 trees) and he cannot afford to go halves. We approached the council, and they have no interest, saying it's our land, our trees, not their concern.
    We used the 'right to light' argument, thinking they might help, and showed an article from an incident in the UK (Leylandaii are seemingly outlawed over there) but they honestly couldn't care less.
    I realise this is a different situation, but the 'right to light' is not a given.

    It's a very different situation and in the case of applying to build a structure that will inhibit light on a neighbour, it will of course be considered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    As there is no right to light which is basically your complaint your objections will likely be ignored. You can go through the hoops but it is unlikely to stop them.

    They don't have to ask or tell you anything other than post the notice. Are you going to talk to them or just file an objection?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,735 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I am absolutely furious that this was carried out with no consultation or notification to us.

    I have heard varying arguments that there is no "right to light" but surely building a 20 foot wall right up against the wall and roof glass of my passageway cannot be permitted?

    There doesn't need to be any consultation, and I imagine they knew you wouldn't be happy with it for obvious reasons so felt it best not to consult with you. The site and newspaper notice is all that's required of them, and you now have a chance to object to the planning authority. It might be worth engaging a professional to do so on your behalf as they may be able to pick apart additional aspects of the proposed design which could help strengthen your case.

    As for the right to light, yes there is no right to light, however if the development will have a detrimental effect on your property and enjoyment of same, this will be taken into consideration when you object to the planning (and likely beforehand too as the planners will consider it even if you don't raise an objection). Again, a professional may be able to make a strong case for this on your behalf.

    You could of course lodge an objection yourself if you feel you can make a strong enough case to do so. Just remember to keep it as factual and subjective as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    This part is bizarre. Who are you that you expect a consultation? Why would they even go to the trouble? Contest it if you're that way inclined.

    Because they're building at the boundary wall up to 20 feet? Common courtesy dictates you would alert your neighbour to such.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭august12


    Would advise bringing a professional on board to lodge an objection. Will be worth the cost to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    While it might be good for neighbourly relations to mention a building plan to next door, its obvious that your two households are not on that level of "chatty relationship".
    So, the site notice serves to let all and sundry know of a proposed development.

    Would you have consulted next door if you were planning something for your own house?

    Absolutely without question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,135 ✭✭✭✭GBX


    It would be a courteous thing to do but it is not a requirement to mention it to you. You are being given the opportunity to voice your concerns and object if you wish. If it was built without any planning permission, id understand your frustrations but they havent started building their extension. Yet you are furious. They bought the property and whilst it may not go along with your line of thinking the property should look, they own it and are entitled to make changes within the planning permissions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,332 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    there's no "right to light", but if the construction is as overbearing as described this will be taken into account.

    definitely object, it might also be worth getting an architect or planning consultant in to write a report on how the new building will impact your property.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    Penn wrote: »
    There doesn't need to be any consultation, and I imagine they knew you wouldn't be happy with it for obvious reasons so felt it best not to consult with you. The site and newspaper notice is all that's required of them, and you now have a chance to object to the planning authority. It might be worth engaging a professional to do so on your behalf as they may be able to pick apart additional aspects of the proposed design which could help strengthen your case.

    As for the right to light, yes there is no right to light, however if the development will have a detrimental effect on your property and enjoyment of same, this will be taken into consideration when you object to the planning (and likely beforehand too as the planners will consider it even if you don't raise an objection). Again, a professional may be able to make a strong case for this on your behalf.

    You could of course lodge an objection yourself if you feel you can make a strong enough case to do so. Just remember to keep it as factual and subjective as possible.

    Much appreciated. I will informally approach them and tell them I will be objecting, and will have to do so because they didn't consult with me in the first instance.

    I agree with you they in all likelihood didn't want to draw my attention to the content in as far as possible.

    They are not living in the house and (apparently) are not selling their existing house.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 197 ✭✭vkus6mt3y8zg2q


    Maybe I'm very wrong but should we not have been informed as a courtesy about their plans?

    If I complain to the Council what is the likelihood of the planners taking my concerns into account?

    Yes you are very wrong. They dont have to tell you anything. Just object if you not happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 Old Rudge


    loyatemu wrote: »
    there's no "right to light", but if the construction is as overbearing as described this will be taken into account.

    definitely object, it might also be worth getting an architect or planning consultant in to write a report on how the new building will impact your property.

    https://isabelbarrosarchitects.ie/blog/right-to-light/

    Get professional advice.

    My layman's knowledge was you had no right to a view but had to light

    "The Land and Conveyancing Law Reform Act 2009 repeals the 1832 act, which had been effective in Ireland since 1 January 1859. A key change in the 2009 act is that the requisite period of use to establish an easement has been reduced to a fixed term of 12 years. Therefore, any person who has enjoyed the benefit of a right to light (or any other easement) will be entitled to apply to the court to obtain an order confirming this right. Under the 2009 act, unless an action to obtain a court order confirming the right was brought within three years of 1 December 2009, the rights acquired under the 1832 act will have been lost and such a right will not be reacquired until 2021 at the very earliest. This transitional period of three years was extended to 12 years under section 38 of the Civil Law (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2011. In addition, section 37(1)(b) of the act seeks to simplify matters further and provides for an application to be made directly to the Property Registration Authority under a new section 49A of the Registration of Title Act 1964, without the need to apply for a court order. The disadvantage of the extension is that the archaic provisions of the 1832 act will continue to apply until 2021 instead of 2012, as was intended."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭Xterminator


    Hi OP

    i suspect you would have objected whether they told you or not. You are more angry because they didn't but judging by the tone of your posts i don't think i would have 'consulted' you either were i your neighbour if that was the reaction they would get.

    PS what business of yours is it if they are not willing to sell etc or resident in their own property?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,735 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Much appreciated. I will informally approach them and tell them I will be objecting, and will have to do so because they didn't consult with me in the first instance.

    I agree with you they in all likelihood didn't want to draw my attention to the content in as far as possible.

    They are not living in the house and (apparently) are not selling their existing house.

    To be honest, I wouldn't approach them to tell them you're objecting. You're making it personal then, and giving them a chance to lodge a counter-submission.

    Make yourself aware of what date you need to submit your objection by. Take some time to properly plan it out (whether yourself or a professional on your behalf), and submit it. Going to your neighbour to tell them you're submitting it solves nothing, and could only create more tension. They didn't consult with you before lodging. You have no reason to consult them before objecting.

    Again, keep your submission as clear and factual as possible. Let the facts speak for themselves. The planners will take that into consideration. Approaching your neighbour over it at this stage solves nothing. The application is in and can't be changed (pending possible further information which may include a change of design). Your only port of call now is to the planners with an official submission.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,188 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Much appreciated. I will informally approach them and tell them I will be objecting, and will have to do so because they didn't consult with me in the first instance.

    I really wouldn't do that. Makes you sound like a crank / that your objection will be baseless and only due to being upset about not being told; rather than the real issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    Hi OP

    i suspect you would have objected whether they told you or not. You are more angry because they didn't but judging by the tone of your posts i don't think i would have 'consulted' you either were i your neighbour if that was the reaction they would get.

    PS what business of yours is it if they are not willing to sell etc or resident in their own property?

    Thats very unfair and wrong and unfactual.

    They don't know me at all.

    We waved to them as they went in when we saw them on one occasion that's all and they kept moving.

    I then dropped in a Christmas card with our mobiles on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭John DoeReMi


    At least you got a text telling you that the site notice was up which gives you time to examine the plans and make an objection. The householder directly behind my house told me nothing until building was actually about to start. I was in a state of panic for about 24 hours before clarifiying that their original application, for an extension which would have serious effects on my house, was refused by Dublin city Council and they were forced to modify their proposal to one that had no effect on my house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    Penn wrote: »
    To be honest, I wouldn't approach them to tell them you're objecting. You're making it personal then, and giving them a chance to lodge a counter-submission.

    Make yourself aware of what date you need to submit your objection by. Take some time to properly plan it out (whether yourself or a professional on your behalf), and submit it. Going to your neighbour to tell them you're submitting it solves nothing, and could only create more tension. They didn't consult with you before lodging. You have no reason to consult them before objecting.

    Again, keep your submission as clear and factual as possible. Let the facts speak for themselves. The planners will take that into consideration. Approaching your neighbour over it at this stage solves nothing. The application is in and can't be changed (pending possible further information which may include a change of design). Your only port of call now is to the planners with an official submission.

    Just to make it clear I have zero difficulty with them developing the house.

    The key issue is the construction of the 20 foot wall at the boundary. That's only ten feet shorter than the Trump Wall!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭steinbock123


    I thought a boundary wall was only allowed to be 2 metres or so high ??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 457 ✭✭moceri


    If you feel you need help in making a submission, then you should consider engaging a consultant engineer to take measurements and submit observations on your behalf. You may also know the neighbour on the other side of the proposed extension who may be impacted and may wish also to make a submission. You also have an opportunity to appeal a grant of permission to An Bórd Pleanala at a later stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    I thought a boundary wall was only allowed to be 2 metres or so high ??

    That's what I thought also.

    My understanding is that if you want excessive heights on an extension that there is a minimum distance between the extension and boundary depending on the extension's proposed height.

    I'm going to contact a professional as many of you have suggested.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Hi, I'd appreciate any comments on my situation.

    We are living in a 1940s war era semi-d. Looking at our house beside the non-joined property to the left, the two garages adjoin at the front, two passageways then adjoin behind the garages, both of which then lead into the respective gardens.

    We have lived there for many years and always got on great with the neighbour who sadly died two years ago.

    The house was sold last October and there was hardly a sight of the new owners. We caught a glimpse of them one day and they said hello then dropped in a Christmas card with their mobile numbers at Xmas to which we replied. All fine and ok so far. No further sight of them since then.

    Last Wednesday I got a text message from the wifey telling me that a "site notice" had gone up for "a rear extension".

    Having some experience in the area of property, I looked up the plans on the DCC website.

    I was horrified to see that they plan demolishing the passageway on their side and building a 20 foot wall right up adjacent to the boundary which will block out all the light entering our kitchen, breakfast room and converted passageway which is used as a conservatory. By way of contrast the Trump Wall is only ten feet higher!

    This wall would then join across their new kitchen to create a new master bedroom and en suite with a flat roof, above eaves level of the main house roof and have floor to ceiling windows at the front facing the main road. The edifice would then turn to the right, be filled out right to the boundary with us down the garden, have a master bedroom facing into the back garden with floor to ceiling windows and sliding doors and a terrace. These windows/doors would then peer directly into my own extension at the back.

    The protruding master bedroom would then block and overshadow the light coming into my garden terrace adjacent to the back of my house and block off the light entering the rear bedrooms of our house and our view (we can currently see as far as the Spire).

    They are also planning a chimney stack beside my wall sitting on top of their new kitchen, which will extend to the height of the main house itself. What the hell is that for?

    I am absolutely furious that this was carried out with no consultation or notification to us.

    I have heard varying arguments that there is no "right to light" but surely building a 20 foot wall right up against the wall and roof glass of my passageway cannot be permitted?

    I need a drink.

    Mrs S

    Lodge an objection?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    Lodge an objection?

    Mods: My thread might be better moved to Construction and Planning.

    Mrs S


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    The key issue is the construction of the 20 foot wall at the boundary. That's only ten feet shorter than the Trump Wall!

    What's that got to do with anything?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭radharc


    Yes you are very wrong. They dont have to tell you anything. Just object if you not happy.

    That’s why the OP said ‘as a courtesy’. Nobody is saying the neighbor was legally obliged to discuss the plans. But it was extremely rude not to have done so.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭In the wind


    I thought a boundary wall was only allowed to be 2 metres or so high ??

    Yea, 20 foot sounds wrong, there might be grounds for objection based on contravention of planning law right there. Look it up...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    Effects wrote: »
    What's that got to do with anything?

    By way of illustration how high it will be as a boundary wall on a row of semi-ds in a Dublin suburb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,188 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Two story extensions beside gardens are allowed and indeed fairly common; this provides a wall that height - its part of the building. So that alone isn't going to be something that prevents it getting planning.

    The 2m rule is for exempted development of a boundary wall that isn't part of a building, e.g. to replace a fence without needing to get planning. Higher walls can be built with planning permission.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    By way of illustration how high it will be as a boundary wall on a row of semi-ds in a Dublin suburb.

    If it's literally a boundary wall, then presumably building it will need some incursion onto your property.

    Apart from objecting to the planning application, couldn't you refuse permission to enter your property and, if necessary, dig out a foundation, etc.?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    L1011 wrote: »
    Two story extensions beside gardens are allowed and indeed fairly common; this provides a wall that height - its part of the building. So that alone isn't going to be something that prevents it getting planning.

    The 2m rule is for exempted development of a boundary wall that isn't part of a building, e.g. to replace a fence without needing to get planning. Higher walls can be built with planning permission.

    That is correct but in this case they are bringing the external wall of the extension right across their access passageway and up to the boundary wall passageway with me. In effect they will be somewhat effecting a "terracing" of my property.

    There should still be minimum distances from the boundary accordingly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    gizmo555 wrote: »
    If it's literally a boundary wall, then presumably building it will need some incursion onto your property.

    Apart from objecting to the planning application, couldn't you refuse permission to enter your property and, if necessary, dig out a foundation, etc.?

    A friend with some building knowledge told me this morning that they will need to gain access from my side to render and finish at least.

    This is why consultation would have been better at the outset than going bullheaded on their part.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,236 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    We are planning an extension and will call to our neighbours either side (one connected, one not) to advise them of our plans as you say as a courtesy. Its a pity they didn't do this for you, but going by the plans they probably could guess the reaction. Get proper sound advice and lodge your complaint. Not the greatest of start with a new neighbour but such is life. Hopefully they scale down the plans and it isn't as intrusive to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    Because they're building at the boundary wall up to 20 feet? Common courtesy dictates you would alert your neighbour to such.
    They don't have to do anything other than what the law and regs. say they have to do.

    Courtesy has nothing to do it, common or otherwise.
    You are going to gave to park outrage and emotion at the lack of their informal consultation and stick to the hard facts. How will this impact your property, and why you feel it isn't appropriate. That's all the planners will be concerned with.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    That's what I thought also.

    My understanding is that if you want excessive heights on an extension that there is a minimum distance between the extension and boundary depending on the extension's proposed height.

    I'm going to contact a professional as many of you have suggested.

    The 2m rule is only for exempted works.

    No minimum distance to boundaries required.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭abcabc123123


    Get an architect to do the submission for you. They'll know all the regs and can form the objection appropriately.

    I really don't get people who do stuff like this (ignore their neighbours and then go for major construction without talking it over). Serious lack of cop on. Get your neighbours onside, you'll be stuck living next to them for long enough. Building up goodwill costs nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭Thoie


    Much appreciated. I will informally approach them and tell them I will be objecting, and will have to do so because they didn't consult with me in the first instance.

    I agree with you they in all likelihood didn't want to draw my attention to the content in as far as possible.

    They are not living in the house and (apparently) are not selling their existing house.
    Just to make it clear I have zero difficulty with them developing the house.

    The key issue is the construction of the 20 foot wall at the boundary. That's only ten feet shorter than the Trump Wall!

    This is why people are saying stick to the facts, and leave your feelings out of things. It sounds purely from how you're posting here like your nose is out of joint because they didn't invite you over for a cup of coffee and go through the plans with you.

    You're objecting because a 20ft wall seems unreasonable, out of character for the area, and will adversely impact your property. Whether or not they discussed it with you, whether or not it is higher/shorter than the Berlin Wall, Trump's Wall, The Great Wall of China is irrelevant.

    As other people have suggested, getting a professional to lodge the objection for you seems sensible. They will stick to facts that the planners can use to make decisions, rather than getting distracted by hyperbole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Long road, lots of metal fencing in the front garden, backs onto a large green area for a school?

    The style of extension could probably be blocked. But if its the house I think it is, the extension 2 doors down would be of a similar type, 2 story out the rear of the house. And the extension next door is two story over the garage. Only difference is this is both to the side and out the back.

    Are you sure its not new neighbours again? The house I'm looking at went sale agreed recently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭TheBlock


    pc7 wrote: »
    We are planning an extension and will call to our neighbours either side (one connected, one not) to advise them of our plans as you say as a courtesy. Its a pity they didn't do this for you, but going by the plans they probably could guess the reaction. Get proper sound advice and lodge your complaint. Not the greatest of start with a new neighbour but such is life. Hopefully they scale down the plans and it isn't as intrusive to you.

    I done this when building my own extension (much Smaller than the one mentioned in the OP). Received no negative feedback from any neighbour in fact got some positive input from some neighbours.

    Roll on planning and I find that my next door neighbour had actually objected but never indicated any issues to me. Planning was granted as there objection wasn't valid however me being a good neighbour took into account there issues and amended plans to ensure cordial relationship. Feckers stoppped talking to us and moved out a year later!!! If I'd have known that was going to happen I would have gone with our original plans and had a much nicer extension!!!

    Moral of the Story - Don't be too nice either!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    By way of illustration how high it will be as a boundary wall on a row of semi-ds in a Dublin suburb.

    I don't think the wall Trump is building is that high really, and it's just to stop people. You neighbours is a lot lower in comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    TheBlock wrote: »
    I done this when building my own extension (much Smaller than the one mentioned in the OP). Received no negative feedback from any neighbour in fact got some positive input from some neighbours.

    Roll on planning and I find that my next door neighbour had actually objected but never indicated any issues to me. Planning was granted as there objection wasn't valid however me being a good neighbour took into account there issues and amended plans to ensure cordial relationship. Feckers stoppped talking to us and moved out a year later!!! If I'd have known that was going to happen I would have gone with our original plans and had a much nicer extension!!!

    Moral of the Story - Don't be too nice either!!
    We didn't need to apply for permission, but got the neighbours onboard anyway because we needed to build on one of the boundary walls.

    All good at the time, no problem. "It'll be noisy, but it's only for a few weeks".

    She did nothing but fncking whinge. Text messages asking why the builders were making so much noise. Passive-aggressive comments about damage done to the grass outside the houses (It grows back you fncking idiot). Accomplished absolutely fncking nothing except to poison any semblance of a friendly relationship we had. Now it's very much just a Nod-and-hello greeting.

    Neighbour on the other side had arguably more reason to be frosty and they were just upfront and honest with us about it, and we still get on great with them.

    In short, any building work is probably going to do some level of damage to your relationship with your neighbours. Unless you would invite them to your wedding, keep the communications formal and serious. Don't be too nice or too snotty. They'll get over it eventually.


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