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Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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    #7952
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,164 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    PokeHerKing wrote: »
    It can only be theatrics for the sake of helping TM sell this dead horse to the HoC.

    The EU capitulating now would be like taking your seat belt off just before impact. This crash is happening either way.
    Well it could also be about an A 50 extension. Which has been gaining traction today.


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    #7953
    coolshannagh28
    Registered Users Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    I would imagine Barnier sold something to the Irish delegation at the rugby.


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    #7954
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,687 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Headshot wrote: »
    And recorded.....

    I cannot wait to see this nasty piece of work squirm

    What are you on about.

    Specifically


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    #7955
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Merkel saying "a very important offer has been made to Britain" reports The Guardian newspaper.


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    #7956
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Either the EU has shafted Ireland or it hasn't. If it has, then that sends a very strong message to other smaller countries and will embolden the Eurosceptics across Europe who will point out that Ireland's national interest was thrown under the bus by the big bully EU. If it hasn't, then things will proceed as expected.


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    #7957
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    prawnsambo wrote:
    Well it could also be about an A 50 extension. Which has been gaining traction today.

    That's for more than just the Irish government to decide on though?


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    #7958
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Sounds like a fudge that could mean all things to all sides:

    http://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1105173764533350400


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    #7959
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Sounds like a fudge that could mean all things to all sides:

    http://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/1105173764533350400

    A fudge is no good. Clear and unambiguous language is needed. I wouldn't trust the Tories as far as I could throw them.


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    #7960
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    A fudge is no good. Clear and unambiguous language is needed. I wouldn't trust the Tories as far as I could throw them.

    They still need and want a trade deal. That will keep them in check


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    #7961
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,665 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    A fudge is no good. Clear and unambiguous language is needed. I wouldn't trust the Tories as far as I could throw them.

    And we should object on those grounds if its seen to be impacting our priorities.

    The phrase never never never could be used ironically to add a bit of fun


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    #7962
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Patser wrote: »
    But if something is being seriously considered, enough so that the whole Irish cabinet has to meet to discuss it, then it's safe to say is bigger than anything previous and something that's been suggested to the UK delegates and seen as having potential.

    My worry is that, regardless if Irish Govt reject, genie will be out of the bottle as the UK see that there's potential chunks in the armour there. Also possibility that if the Irish do reject it, May suddenly has her new scapegoat- Oh we were so close until those pesky Irish blocked us.

    Hopefully just a minor wording semantic they want cleared by our cabinet.

    Cabinet, and opposition have always been briefed on what's going on. I think people are reading too much into it, but the press love the drama of it all.


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    #7963
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    A fudge is no good. Clear and unambiguous language is needed. I wouldn't trust the Tories as far as I could throw them.


    I am not worried about fudging the language as the fudge will be for the UK to eat and not the EU. They will have to accept the WA and it seems they are trying to fudge that, or at least that is my hope.

    I am wondering though, unless those that voted against the deal in the HoC is literally only concerned about the backstop, how does she still get it passed? Labour will vote against it, the Tory rebels will and you presume that Labour and TIG will do as well with the other parties, including the DUP. So she will need to turn around 115 Tories of which 70 or so are the ERG. Good luck with that.


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    #7964
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    They still need and want a trade deal. That will keep them in check

    Dunno. A snap GE which sees the Tories with a decisive margin, a shift to the right and a new PM like Boris would change the political landscape. In such a scenario, the EU would need everything bolted down.


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    #7965
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    VinLieger wrote: »
    And we should object on those grounds if its seen to be impacting our priorities.

    The phrase never never never could be used ironically to add a bit of fun

    For sure. 'Out, out, out.' would be equally apt.


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    #7966
    Anteayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 886 ✭✭✭Anteayer


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Cabinet, and opposition have always been briefed on what's going on. I think people are reading too much into it, but the press love the drama of it all.

    I'd ignore anything coming from the UK suggesting that the EU is putting "Dublin" under pressure. It's been a recurring fantasy over there and it has not been proven to be remotely based in fact in any of the previous rumours.


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    #7967
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Dunno. A snap GE which sees the Tories with a decisive margin, a shift to the right and a new PM like Boris would change the political landscape. In such a scenario, the EU would need everything bolted down.

    Fine off you go lads. Back to no deal. No flights, no nothing. Come back to us when you're feeling sane again


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    #7968
    Headshot
    Registered Users Posts: 53,898 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Sorry, were you replying to me? Can't make sense of that. :confused:
    listermint wrote: »
    What are you on about.

    Specifically

    Lol I quoted the wrong quote

    I was referring to JRM tonight on ch4


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    #7969
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    http://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1105191426793586688

    Sounds rather more innocuous than Nick Gutteridge's tweet.


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    #7970
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Dodds and Foster going into the chief whip's office in Westminster. I do hope there's a camera crew following all these moves in order to make a documentary.


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    #7971
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    galloney wrote: »
    Just curious, what will happen to the border immediately after they leave on no-deal (because let's face it it is either no-deal or extension)? As in, what will happen on the morning of the 30th March on the border with no-deal.


    My understand is that there'd be customs checks immediately, as the UK would be trading on WTO terms and customs checks would be required at every border, including Dover-Calais and the NI border. Please correct me if this isn't legit.


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    #7972
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    galloney wrote: »
    Just curious, what will happen to the border immediately after they leave on no-deal (because let's face it it is either no-deal or extension)? As in, what will happen on the morning of the 30th March on the border with no-deal.

    Presumably, as with the planes, there would be a temporary grace period of 3-6 months, but we'd then have to phase in customs controls.


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    #7973
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    http://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1105191426793586688

    Sounds rather more innocuous than Nick Gutteridge's tweet.

    Yeah, I'd be amazed if it was anything else. As I said the press, particularly the British are, loving the drama and hype.


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    #7974
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Dodds and Foster going into the chief whip's office in Westminster. I do hope there's a camera crew following all these moves in order to make a documentary.

    This suggests Ire/EU have accepted some form of legal wording...


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    #7975
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,164 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Headshot wrote: »
    Lol I quoted the wrong quote

    I was referring to JRM tonight on ch4
    Cheers. Thought you were being a bit harsh on Leo. :D


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    #7976
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Yeah, I'd be amazed if it was anything else. As I said the press, particularly the British are, loving the drama and hype.

    The Telegraph is playing it down and quoting government sources who advise that no major breakthrough should be expected.


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    #7977
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,499 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Govt representatives present in Strasbourg...

    https://twitter.com/Claude_Moraes/status/1105192349171417089


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    #7978
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,687 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    The Telegraph is playing it down and quoting government sources who advise that no major breakthrough should be expected.

    You'd tell that lot nothing. Theyve form and reason to stir it up.


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    #7979
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    listermint wrote: »
    You'd tell that lot nothing. Theyve form and reason to stir it up.

    They do. Which makes their relative neutral reportage all the more strange. Of course, they are full on Brexiteers so anything that suits May might not suit their agenda.


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    #7980
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,511 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    So what was assumed to be a mundane enough Monday before more madness in the HOC tomorrow and the days after seems to be not mundane at all.


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    #7981
    [Deleted User]
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    Laura Kuenssberg suggesting theres a bit of uneasiness in Dublin over the UK and the possibility of being allowed a unilateral statement on the backstop.

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1105197987381284865


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