Ethnic Revisionism - Mary: Queen of the Multicultural Scots

Bannasidhe

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually I don't think Charlie Chan was ever played by an Asian bloke. John Wayne, Marlon Brando and Peter Sellars did the whole Chinaman in flics too. As late as the 1970's you had David Carradine playing an Asian guy in the TV series "Kung Fu". It could go even dafter too, years before that the very popular Tarzan flics often had white guys in blackface instead of African Americans. In one their "African" language is Irish. Yep.

I remember reading in a biography of him that Bruce Lee came up with the concept of "Kung Fu" but the studio decided he was too Chinese looking to be accepted by TV audiences so cast Carradine as a 'mixed race' character - which mainly involved him doing some very dodgy things with his eyes to appear 'not 100% white'.

Lee than began making films in Hong Kong if I remember correctly.

I remember seeing that Tarzan (can't remember which one it was) but the 'native' come charging out of the fake jungle in full blackface screaming as Gaeilge :D

Back in the 30s the Hungarian Peter Lorre played Mr Moto (who I think was meant to be Chinese) is a whole series of films.

Dr_serious2

sk8erboii wrote: »

Cringe. Your strawman transition is rough man.

Brass tacks: guy gets offended because a movie had brown people

Why do you keep typing like an American? Lol, legit, sk8rboi. You sound like a bellend.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Wibbs wrote: »

Back in the "good old days" of Hollywood it often went the other way with White actors and actresses not only replacing more "ethnic" characters but going full moron and portraying Asian and African characters. EG here's Mickey Rooney doing the full Charlie Chan as late as the early 60's in Breakfast at Tiffany's.



Actually I don't think Charlie Chan was ever played by an Asian bloke. John Wayne, Marlon Brando and Peter Sellars did the whole Chinaman in flics too. As late as the 1970's you had David Carradine playing an Asian guy in the TV series "Kung Fu". It could go even dafter too, years before that the very popular Tarzan flics often had white guys in blackface instead of African Americans. In one their "African" language is Irish. Yep.

I’m not pc by modern standards but Rooney’s acting in Breakfast at Tiffany’s is appalling. Totally takes you out of an otherwise decent movie.

Franz Von Peppercorn

sk8erboii wrote: »

Well its a good thing afterhours is a joke forum then isnt it? Wouldnt it be sad if someone started ranting about brown actors in movies?

Here’s a fun game! Take a piece of paper and write PTO on one side. Short for please turn over.

Then turn it over and PTO on the other side.

Here the game. Follow the instructions on the paper. Come back when you’re finished.

The Pheasant2

sk8erboii wrote: »

‘Hey guys im not racist. Also im really bothered by brown people on the telly ‘

Cringe

God I hope you're a troll, find it hard to believe someone genuine could be such an insufferable twat.

You have won the esteemed prize of being the innaugral entrant to my ignore list.

Gimme A Pound

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Why do you keep typing like an American? Lol, legit, sk8rboi. You sound like a bellend.

And also it's straight out of 2005.

sk8erboii

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Why do you keep typing like an American? Lol, legit, sk8rboi. You sound like a bellend.

Typing like an american?

Lol?

sk8erboii

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

God I hope you're a troll, find it hard to believe someone genuine could be such an insufferable twat.

You have won the esteemed prize of being the innaugral entrant to my ignore list.

Is afterhours a safe space echochamber?

Gimme A Pound

sk8erboii wrote: »

Is afterhours a safe space echochamber?

That's a place where people don't disagree with each other. There is no issue with disagreement here (well apart from a minority like yourself who don't take well to being disagreed with). The issue people have is the unfounded allegations you keep throwing out, and the spiteful manner in which you do so.

If you disagreed by presenting a well supported argument, few if anyone would object, but you're doing no such thing.

Varik

Wibbs wrote: »

Back in the "good old days" of Hollywood it often went the other way with White actors and actresses not only replacing more "ethnic" characters but going full moron and portraying Asian and African characters. EG here's Mickey Rooney doing the full Charlie Chan as late as the early 60's in Breakfast at Tiffany's.


Actually I don't think Charlie Chan was ever played by an Asian bloke. John Wayne, Marlon Brando and Peter Sellars did the whole Chinaman in flics too. As late as the 1970's you had David Carradine playing an Asian guy in the TV series "Kung Fu". It could go even dafter too, years before that the very popular Tarzan flics often had white guys in blackface instead of African Americans. In one their "African" language is Irish. Yep.

Charlie chan was played by Asian actors but the big movies came after the original author died and they used original stories and that's when they were white actors.

Watched a few of them and he's portrayed very positively. One thing I really noticed was how american they had his children, both were very baseball and apple pie american especially when you consider some of these came along during WW2 when to a lot of Americans that's what the enemy looked like.

sk8erboii

Francesca Sour Stomach wrote: »

That's a place where people don't disagree with each other. There is no issue with disagreement here (well apart from a minority like yourself who don't take well to being disagreed with). The issue people have is the unfounded allegations you keep throwing out, and the spiteful manner in which you do so.

If you disagreed by presenting a well supported argument, few if anyone would object, but you're doing no such thing.

I literally have no idea what youre talking about. Though you definitely have too much emotional investment in this forum. Big yikes. Im out anyway

Gimme A Pound

He doesn't know what I'm talking about when it's perfectly clear - could you get more dishonest.

you definitely have too much emotional investment in this forum

Better than going around sh1tting all over threads to rile people.

Two meanings to "I'm out":

"I have no counter argument."
"I'm not really out - I'll be back again and again and again."

The Crowman

One of the oddest examples of colour blind casting I've seen in recent years had to be Ruth Negga in Isolation, a low budget Irish horror movie where she played a traveller.

Omackeral

Kivaro wrote: »

Looks like a bit of fetish going on here.
Good god, why are you not on my ignore list.

Such an obtuse poster. You should understand that in real life e.g. when you eventually get a job, you cannot behave like that.

I swear to God, and I've said this before on here, the only posters who use the term "brown people" are absolute buffoons looking to take offence. I've never seen anyone else use it.

And I agree with you about that poster, reads like a parody account.

Feisar

Why do actors put on accents when playing roles?

If we are to be colour blind, surely we should be tone deaf as well?

DrumSteve

I actually seen this film last night and it wasn't all that bad; they'll be throwing awards at Margot Robbie though.

The inclusion of African and Asian actors was not something I noticed though; it didn't take me out of the film so to speak.

Pythagorean

Imagine the following scenario, which takes place sometime in the future, they are planning a film on Charles Haughey, this is the conversation which ensues between the producer (P), and his right-on committee (C) ;
P: " You guys, listen up, we're doing a film about Charles Haughey, some white rich politician dude from Dublin"

C; " We'll have to tone him down then, that could offend minorities"

P;" Right, we'll give him brownish skin, and a hybrid accent, part Nigerian, part Polish, and part Dub, to reflect the ethnic diversity at the time"

C; "great, but he's still male ,right"

P; " Yes, but we can have him identify as female, and make sure he has an awareness of transgender issues "

C; "He used to wear expensive clothes, lived in a big mansion, right ?"

P; "Yes that's deeply offensive, we'll put him in a pink T shirt, tracksuit bottoms, and living in a flat in Ballymun"

C; " Great, that's really cool "

Etcetera.. . . You get my drift

Ciaran_B

Don't give up the day job. Unless your day job is comedy writer in which case definitely give it up.

jmayo

Feisar wrote: »

Why do actors put on accents when playing roles?

If we are to be colour blind, surely we should be tone deaf as well?

That was the great thing with Sean Connery.
He could be English, Scottish, Russian (sorry Lithuanian actually), Irish, South African, etc but he always sounded the same.

FunLover18

Pythagorean wrote: »

Imagine the following scenario, which takes place sometime in the future, they are planning a film on Charles Haughey, this is the conversation which ensues between the producer (P), and his right-on committee (C) ;
P: " You guys, listen up, we're doing a film about Charles Haughey, some white rich politician dude from Dublin"

C; " We'll have to tone him down then, that could offend minorities"

P;" Right, we'll give him brownish skin, and a hybrid accent, part Nigerian, part Polish, and part Dub, to reflect the ethnic diversity at the time"

C; "great, but he's still male ,right"

P; " Yes, but we can have him identify as female, and make sure he has an awareness of transgender issues "

C; "He used to wear expensive clothes, lived in a big mansion, right ?"

P; "Yes that's deeply offensive, we'll put him in a pink T shirt, tracksuit bottoms, and living in a flat in Ballymun"

C; " Great, that's really cool "

Etcetera.. . . You get my drift

I really don't

ohnonotgmail

jmayo wrote: »

That was the great thing with Sean Connery.
He could be English, Scottish, Russian (sorry Lithuanian actually), Irish, South African, etc but he always sounded the same.

Not forgetting ancient egyptian.

Bannasidhe

jmayo wrote: »

That was the great thing with Sean Connery.
He could be English, Scottish, Russian (sorry Lithuanian actually), Irish, South African, etc but he always sounded the same.

His portrayal of a Spaniard in Highlander was particularly exceptional.

ohnonotgmail

Bannasidhe wrote: »

His portrayal of a Spaniard in Highlander was particularly exceptional.

He is the egyptian i referred to.

Outlaw Pete

No doubt Saoirse loved that aspect of the script, accepting the gay cross dresser for who he was, telling him should be who he wants to be. She's a pain in the hole when it comes to so called progressiveness. Went to a screening of one of her films last year and in she walked wearing an oversized white t-shirt with 'I STAND WITH ALL WOMEN' on it. Then proceeded to inappropriately shoehorn far left twaddle into almost every answer she gave to questions put to her.

In saying that, I quite enjoyed Mary Queen and if you can look past the historical inaccuracies, it's an enjoyable enough film tbf. Margot Robbie was excellent I thought.

Bannasidhe

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

No doubt Saoirse loved that aspect of the script, accepting the gay cross dresser for who he was, telling him should be who he wants to be. She's a pain in the hole when it comes to so called progressiveness. Went to a screening of one of her films last year and in she walked wearing an oversized white t-shirt with 'I STAND WITH ALL WOMEN' on it. Then proceeded to inappropriately shoehorn far left twaddle into almost every answer she gave to the questions put to her.

In saying that, I quite enjoyed Mary Queen and if you can look past the historical inaccuracies, it's an enjoyable enough film tbf. Margot Robbie was excellent I thought.

But surely that would have been in the script regardless of who played the role...

Outlaw Pete

I never said it wouldn't have been..... just saying that that aspect of her character no doubt appealed to her.

Bannasidhe

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I never said it wouldn't have been..... just saying that that aspect of her character no doubt appealed to her.

I imagine that for any actor that is true of any script they take - some aspect of the character appeals to them.

What you were really saying is you don't like her politics. Which is grand - but they have feck all to do with the film unless she wrote it/produced it/directed it.

I'm not a fan of Clint Eastwood's politics but it never stopped me enjoying his films (except Unforgiven - I thought that would never end) or, indeed, even entered my head watching his films.

Outlaw Pete

Bannasidhe wrote: »

What you were really saying is you don't like her politics.

Of course I don't like her politics, but no, that is not what I am saying.

Which is grand - but they have feck all to do with the film unless she wrote it/produced it/directed it.

Eh, for the second time, I never said that the script was written the way it was because of her, quit putting words in my mouth.

Again, and for the last time, I am saying that she would have loved that aspect of the script: that it shoe horns in progressive leftism where it doesn't belong. Something which she has form for.

Bannasidhe

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Of course I don't like her politics, but no, that is not what I am saying.



Eh, for the second time, I never said that the script was written the way it was because of her, quit putting words in my mouth.

Again, and for the last time, I am saying that she would have loved that aspect of the script: that it shoe horns in progressive leftism where it doesn't belong. Something which she has form for.

On one hand you are saying the script wasn't written that way because of her and the next you are saying 'progressive leftism' is something she has form for like she is in some way responsible. That doesn't make sense.

Do you want a good example of 'progressive leftism' you seem to have no time for? Sparticus - because a group of influential people in Hollywood (like Stanley Kubrick and Otto Preminger, Kirk Douglas liked to take the credit but he probably overstated his role) went public about using a blacklisted writer (Dalton Trumbo) to write the final script.
Countless careers were destroyed due to paranoia about a so-called 'red menace' and censorship was rampant so in the greater scheme of shoehorning politics into films - Saoirse Ronin possibly liking an aspect of a character she played that someone else wrote in a film someone else directed isn't even in the ballpark.

There was also a 'cross dresser' in Elizabeth - does Cate Blanchett also have 'form'?

Maybe have a read of Early Modern: Cross-Dressing in Early Modern England by Jonathan Dollimore and you will find that it did indeed happen and was only a 'crime' if a woman did it - which never stopped Moll Cutpurse who was so well known in London that a play about her written by Thomas Middleton and Thomas Dekker called The Roaring Girl was performed at the Fortune Theatre ( a North London rival of South London's Globe Theatre).

Anne Bonney (born in Kinsale) passed as a man and was only discovered when arrested for piracy.

So no 'progressive leftish' required to shoe horn cross dressing into the film - it's a matter of historical record that it used to happen.

jmayo

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

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In saying that, I quite enjoyed Mary Queen and if you can look past the historical inaccuracies, it's an enjoyable enough film tbf. Margot Robbie was excellent I thought.

Margot Robbie is excellent in everything and especially in nothing

Just saw picture of her in it. :eek:
What a waste.

FFS they should issue a fatwa on whatever muppet(s) decided to put that makeup on one of the most perfect faces in the world.