Is Ireland committing genocide?

donegal_man

OP is suggesting that there is "ethnic cleansing" being carried out in Ireland yet his arguments regarding a lack of schools, infrastructure etc in certain areas would surely make them just as inhospitable to the perceived replacement population as they are to the "natives".

realitykeeper

JayZeus wrote: »

How about this then...

How about all those who moved to Dublin leave and move back to the north-west. They can pack in their jobs, sell their houses to all the Dubs living in Wexford, Kildare, Meath, Louth etc. There will then be affordable housing for all the ‘locals’ in Dublin and a swell in population in the NE region which will justify the investment, right? All their taxes from their salaries and income as landlords there in that region will... Oh, no.... Wait now.

I think I might have found a little problem there now.

Get a grip RK.

They can`t go back because the north west needs investment. Why do you think they keep leaving the north west and going to Dublin? It is because of investment in Dublin and lack of investment in the north west.

realitykeeper

donegal_man wrote: »

OP is suggesting that there is "ethnic cleansing" being carried out in Ireland yet his arguments regarding a lack of schools, infrastructure etc in certain areas would surely make them just as inhospitable to the perceived replacement population as they are to the "natives".

Yes well the natives are allowed to work and they do not require the same level of support so yes there is a difference between apples and oranges.

Fighting Tao

realitykeeper wrote: »

That is not the way to run a country.

So you want to force companies to set up in your back garden? Yeah, that will attract companies to Ireland. You can’t force them to pick Donegal over Dublin.

Fighting Tao

realitykeeper wrote: »

So to repeat, the northwest needs infrastructure such as airports, motorways, zoning/planning and support services, serviced industrial sites and so on.

What I am saying is they should get these things.

Waste of money if they are not utilised. Companies can’t be forced to locate where they don’t want to.

Fighting Tao

realitykeeper wrote: »

Yes I am sure there is investment for the Sligo to Dublin road, the Limerick to Dublin road, the Galway to Dublin road, the Cork to Dublin road, the waterford to Dublin Road yet somehow I feel infrastructure spending is skewed in favour of some places to the detriment of others. I mean, not every county will be getting 1.4 billion for a childrens hospital and then enjoy people from all over the country coming to stay in their hotels in order to remain close to their sick children. Not every county will be getting a 4 billion euro metro and certainly not every county gets the same per square Km as every other. No wonder our country does not have enough housing in some places and not enough people in others.

Think before you type! The majority of the population is condensed on the east coast. Why would it make sense to build the children’s hospital in the North West where it will only be convenient for a small portion of the population.

It’s lucky that we don’t have people like yourself running the country. We’d never have a pot to p1ss, no money to pay for hospitals, pensions, social welfare, or infrastructure where it’s requires due to money spent on infrastructure that is in the wrong place or not used.

Fighting Tao

realitykeeper wrote: »

They can`t go back because the north west needs investment. Why do you think they keep leaving the north west and going to Dublin? It is because of investment in Dublin and lack of investment in the north west.

If they really wanted to go back they would. However, they seem to enjoy city life. If they are so desperate to go back then there’s the social welfare to fall back on if they can’t get a job. Us in the rest of the country will pay our taxes for them to life a social welfare life.

The fact is that many young people are moving out of the North West because they don’t want to be there.

rizzodun

Op has overlooked the fact that there is investment happening in the Northwest. He's just not happy because it's not 1 billion for a children's hospital....

And he uses some African third world city as his backup for industry, when it is in no way comparable to Ireland or Europe.

Why don't you run for government if you can do a better job? I'm sure loads of people would be interested in hearing your..... ahem.... Insight??

PistolsAtDawn

Rural Ireland is in decline because it is impossible to build a house there with the fupping stupid local needs apply laws each county council has in place.

The only way a first time buyer to get a house in rural Ireland is to buy an existing property which will be too expensive for a first time buyer anyway.

Timberrrrrrrr

realitykeeper wrote: »

So to repeat, the northwest needs infrastructure such as airports, motorways, zoning/planning and support services, serviced industrial sites and so on.

What I am saying is they should get these things.

You have been (wrongly) predicting a global depression for many years now. All of a sudden you're saying that even though this "depression" is imminent that the government should spend billions on the above in the hope it may attract a few jobs?

dxhound2005

PistolsAtDawn wrote: »

Rural Ireland is in decline because it is impossible to build a house there with the fupping stupid local needs apply laws each county council has in place.

The only way a first time buyer to get a house in rural Ireland is to buy an existing property which will be too expensive for a first time buyer anyway.

What is your budget? Some for sale here at low prices compared to Dublin.

https://www.daft.ie/roscommon/houses-for-sale/strokestown/

Fighting Tao

From reading this thread, I'm starting to think that the internet should be switched off for parts of the North West. Maybe we should even build a wall around it to ensure that the natives are kept ethnically pure and that they can't cause their own genocide by escaping to the big schmoke.

Fighting Tao

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What is your budget? Some for sale here at low prices compared to Dublin.

https://www.daft.ie/roscommon/houses-for-sale/strokestown/

Sure everyone has to build a new one-off house where there are no services and be provided those services for free. There is land to be used! They can't be expected to live in a used house. They're entitled to it.

realitykeeper

Fighting Tao wrote: »

So you want to force companies to set up in your back garden? Yeah, that will attract companies to Ireland. You can’t force them to pick Donegal over Dublin.

No I want to give companies alternatives. No company would choose the expense or congestion of Dublin if they had an alternative with adequate infrastructure in the north west.

Fighting Tao

realitykeeper wrote: »

No I want to give companies alternatives. No company would choose the expense or congestion of Dublin if they had an alternative with adequate infrastructure in the north west.

There are many other towns within an hour of Dublin airport with the lower costs, facilities and infrastructure you desire and they still lose out to Dublin. Can you explain that?

realitykeeper

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Waste of money if they are not utilised. Companies can’t be forced to locate where they don’t want to.

Companies want alternatives and they should have them. Forcing companies to locate in Dublin is just cruel.

Fighting Tao

realitykeeper wrote: »

Companies want alternatives and they should have them. Forcing companies to locate in Dublin is just cruel.

No one forces companies to locate in Dublin. Nobody at all!

relax carry on

The irony of your username OP is hilarious. I'm not sure what reality you keep but it seems to be unique to you.

Fighting Tao

I'm still waiting for chemtrails and fluoride in the water to be mentioned. There isn't be much else missing from this thread.

realitykeeper

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Think before you type!

Take your own advice!

Fighting Tao wrote: »

The majority of the population is condensed on the east coast. Why would it make sense to build the children’s hospital in the North West where it will only be convenient for a small portion of the population.
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If you eat a lot of food you get fat. If Dublin continues to starve the rest of the country while continuining to gorge itself on things like 1.4 billion euro hospitals, people will continue to leave the north west and go to Dublin.

realitykeeper

Fighting Tao wrote: »

If they really wanted to go back they would. However, they seem to enjoy city life. If they are so desperate to go back then there’s the social welfare to fall back on if they can’t get a job. Us in the rest of the country will pay our taxes for them to life a social welfare life.

The fact is that many young people are moving out of the North West because they don’t want to be there.

What they really want is a choice. Unless the north west gets the infrastructure it needs to attract industry and prosper, this genocide will continue.

Fighting Tao

realitykeeper wrote: »

Take your own advice!

I do and my mind is certainly in the reality that most people live in.

realitykeeper wrote: »

If you eat a lot of food you get fat. If Dublin continues to starve the rest of the country while continuining to gorge itself on things like 1.4 billion euro hospitals, people will continue to leave the north west and go to Dublin.

Lets say we plonk the national childrens' hospital on the Innishowen peninsula. Would that keep you happy even though the vast majority of those that need it would have great difficulty accessing it?

Collie D

realitykeeper wrote: »

Take your own advice!



If you eat a lot of food you get fat. If Dublin continues to starve the rest of the country while continuining to gorge itself on things like 1.4 billion euro hospitals, people will continue to leave the north west and go to Dublin.

I’d be fairly confident in saying that Dublin pays for itself.

When Roscommon and Donegal have the population to justify it, the facilities will follow. The population density is greatest in the east therefore it makes sense to provide for that population. It’s not as if there are no hospitals in other parts of the country.

realitykeeper

rizzodun wrote: »

Op has overlooked the fact that there is investment happening in the Northwest.

A crumb is food yet it will not save your life if you are starving.

Fighting Tao

realitykeeper wrote: »

What they really want is a choice. Unless the north west gets the infrastructure it needs to attract industry and prosper, this genocide will continue.

Go on...show the evidence of companies wanting the choice to locate in the North West!

Huge swaths of land on Dundalk's Inner Relief road as far as the M1 have been earmarked, some even had roads built and all services accessible. It's 40 minutes from the airport. However, the land is empty. The roads are being reclaimed by nature. Everything has been in place for companies to move into and yet, the land is still vacant. Explain that with your illogical thinking!

realitykeeper

PistolsAtDawn wrote: »

Rural Ireland is in decline because it is impossible to build a house there with the fupping stupid local needs apply laws each county council has in place.

The only way a first time buyer to get a house in rural Ireland is to buy an existing property which will be too expensive for a first time buyer anyway.

Planning, zoning and related support services need to be made available and standardized nationally. Dublin also has its serial objectors but planning/zoning and support services are available there. We need to level the playing field.

BuzzMcdonnell

I for one think we should build an airport and children’s hospital on top of carrauntoohil. The summit has been neglected by government for far too long and deserves just as much investment as Dublin, regardless of population.

realitykeeper

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You have been (wrongly) predicting a global depression for many years now. All of a sudden you're saying that even though this "depression" is imminent that the government should spend billions on the above in the hope it may attract a few jobs?

The billions have already been spent and the country already has a lethal level of debt. What difference does it make if you drink more poison when you have already drunk a fatal dose? The north west is just as entitled to infrastructure as Dublin - in fact it is entitled to many times more because it is many times bigger. Why should Dublin get everything? Infrastucture, industry and people follow the investment and the north west offers better value for money than small, ugly, congested, expensive, drug riddled Dublin.

Collie D

realitykeeper wrote: »

Why should Dublin get everything? Infrastucture, industry and people follow the investment and the north west offers better value for money than small, ugly, congested, expensive, drug riddled Dublin.

Because it annoys you.

realitykeeper

Fighting Tao wrote: »

There are many other towns within an hour of Dublin airport with the lower costs, facilities and infrastructure you desire and they still lose out to Dublin. Can you explain that?

Yes. They all want to be near the squashed in concentration of infrastructure and tax funded services in Dublin. Hence the trafic congestion and hours spent commuting. Great way to melt the polar ice caps but not an intelligent way to run a country.