Is Ireland committing genocide?

relax carry on

realitykeeper wrote: »

It is a living mistake which started a 1000 years ago and is getting worse as it goes.

So just so we are all clear, your issues (and at this stage I'm not sure what they are as my brain is having a hard time trying to figure out anything other than Dublin bad/rest of country good) start with the foundation of Dublin and get worse from there?

Could you perhaps layout your issues with Dublin from a sociological, political, economic etc perspective and maybe bring some clarity to your link to genocide.

ohnonotgmail

realitykeeper wrote: »

It is a living mistake which started a 1000 years ago and is getting worse as it goes.

Bloody vikings building a town at the mouth of a major river. what the hell were they thinking.

realitykeeper

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Nothing wrong with foreigners. I work and deal with them every day in many aspects of life.

I am sure foreigner`s will be flattered to hear you say there is "nothing wrong" with them. For my part, I think foreigner`s are lovely people.

VinLieger

realitykeeper wrote: »

Indeed the Dublin Regulation (604/2013) shows just how "welcoming" Dublin is. Migrants coming to Europe will all be told the reason they must stay in Lampedusa or Lesbos is because of the Dublin regulation and I think they will make up their own minds on the kind of place Dublin is.

You do understand that the "Dublin agreement" wasnt created by your imaginary "boogey men" from Dublin, it is an EU agreement that was simply discussed and signed off on at a summit in Dublin?

VinLieger

realitykeeper wrote: »

I am sure foreigner`s will be flattered to hear you say there is "nothing wrong" with them. For my part, I think foreigner`s are lovely people.

You do like to contradict yourself don't you?

realitykeeper wrote: »

Somehow I don`t think Dubliners would welcome an overnight increase in population of 30% in the form of migrants (as has been the case in some rural communities)

realitykeeper

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Bloody vikings building a town at the mouth of a major river. what the hell were they thinking.

Even by thousand year old standards, the liffey is hardly a major river. You could easily wade across it at Heuston Station which is only a couple of miles inland. By contrast, with investment in the Shannon estuary, Greater Limerick could be a major transit trade port able to cater for the largest ships.

ohnonotgmail

realitykeeper wrote: »

Even by thousand year old standards, the liffey is hardly a major river. You could easily wade across it at Heuston Station which is only a couple of miles inland. By contrast, with investment in the Shannon estuary, Greater Limerick could be a major transit trade port able to cater for the largest ships.

8th longest in Ireland and it flows into an ideal harbour.

Pherekydes

realitykeeper wrote: »

Even by thousand year old standards, the liffey is hardly a major river. You could easily wade across it at Heuston Station which is only a couple of miles inland. By contrast, with investment in the Shannon estuary, Greater Limerick could be a major transit trade port able to cater for the largest ships.

Limerick must be 80km from the sea. :rolleyes:

rizzodun

I'm surprised people are still feeding this troll to be honest.

4ensic15

realitykeeper wrote: »

You could easily wade across it at Heuston Station which is only a couple of miles inland.

Why would anyone wade across a river when there is a bridge there?

relax carry on

realitykeeper wrote: »

Even by thousand year old standards, the liffey is hardly a major river. You could easily wade across it at Heuston Station which is only a couple of miles inland. By contrast, with investment in the Shannon estuary, Greater Limerick could be a major transit trade port able to cater for the largest ships.

You do realise that over 1000 years ago the river and environs were completely different to what they are now? And the usage of the river at the time is different to what it is now.

And at this stage I think I'll stop feeding you as it's just painful.

JupiterKid

I can understand the OP's concerns about a lack of investment in areas outside of the Greater Dublin Area, as I had a thread myself on this issue but the way realitykeeper chose to title it was wholly wrong and inappropriate.

There is no genocide of rural Jreland. People raised there opt to leave due to a lack of opportunities and high paying jobs. The reasons as to why there are a lack of opportunities are manifold and complex.

But the OP chose to use the term "genocide" to grab attention and it clearly worked.

Grayson

sk8erboii wrote: »

Remember the good old days when Ireland was a depressing rural nation? Where the only thing to do was move out or get molested by priests?

Pepperidge farm remembers

2009?

JupiterKid

JupiterKid wrote: »

I can understand the OP's concerns about a lack of investment in areas outside of the Greater Dublin Area, as I had a thread myself on this issue but the way realitykeeper chose to title it was wholly wrong and inappropriate.

There is no genocide of rural Jreland. People raised there opt to leave due to a lack of opportunities and high paying jobs. The reasons as to why there are a lack of opportunities are manifold and complex.

But the OP chose to use the term "genocide" to grab attention and it clearly worked.

So, what you're saying is, you read the thread?

fxotoole

Wow. Look at that. This thread is still going.

EdgeCase

Ireland's certainly not committing genocide but someone's definitely committing hyperbole!

realitykeeper

VinLieger wrote: »

You do understand that the "Dublin agreement" wasnt created by your imaginary "boogey men" from Dublin, it is an EU agreement that was simply discussed and signed off on at a summit in Dublin?

Excuses, excuses

realitykeeper

VinLieger wrote: »

You do like to contradict yourself don't you?

How is that a contradiction? For one thing I am not from Dublin or from a rural area, I am simply pointing out your inconsistancies.

realitykeeper

Pherekydes wrote: »

Limerick must be 80km from the sea. :rolleyes:

The sea is a big place. With investment, Limerick could be twenty times bigger. A transit port is a hub, not a final destination.

realitykeeper

4ensic15 wrote: »

Why would anyone wade across a river when there is a bridge there?

I did not say you would (or that you should), I said you could.

realitykeeper

relax carry on wrote: »

You do realise that over 1000 years ago the river and environs were completely different to what they are now? And the usage of the river at the time is different to what it is now.

Do you realize that today is today, it is not a thousand years ago? The Liffey is not as suitable as the Shannon estuary could be for large modern ships.

realitykeeper

JupiterKid wrote: »

I can understand the OP's concerns about a lack of investment in areas outside of the Greater Dublin Area, as I had a thread myself on this issue but the way realitykeeper chose to title it was wholly wrong and inappropriate.

There is no genocide of rural Jreland. People raised there opt to leave due to a lack of opportunities and high paying jobs. The reasons as to why there are a lack of opportunities are manifold and complex.

But the OP chose to use the term "genocide" to grab attention and it clearly worked.

Well I think the term genocide is highly appropriate and the question is when will the Dublin government stop the genocide and apologize to the people of rural Ireland who have been scattered far and wide?

FanadMan

OP

I live in Donegal as do a lot of my extended family. Apart from old age or cancer, none of us have experienced the "genocide" ie, we are still alive! And I have a few relations in Roscommon and the last time I checked, they are still alive.

You are obviously following that FB post about there not being a motorway, rail system, proper electrical system or "center of excellence" in Donegal or Roscommon. Big feckin deal. We have a great hospital in Letterkenny. We have a more than adequate HT electrical system running to Letterkenny and the west, more than enough for what's there with plenty left over. As for a motorway or rail system, we don't need or want them. There are a few roads that need to up upgraded - Letterkenny to Lifford and Letterkenny to Gweedore but beyond that, we are fine. There is zero need for any rail system up here. We are too far away from anywhere to make it profitable. We are a hilly county so what do we do? Blow up any mountain in the way?

Cookie_Monster

realitykeeper wrote: »

Do you realize that today is today, it is not a thousand years ago? The Liffey is not as suitable as the Shannon estuary could be for large modern ships.

Despite some of the largest ferries in the world operating out of Dublin already... :rolleyes:

realitykeeper

FanadMan wrote: »

OP

I live in Donegal ...

You are obviously following that FB post about there not being a motorway, rail system, proper electrical system or "center of excellence" in Donegal or Roscommon. Big feckin deal..... There is zero need for any rail system up here. We are too far away from anywhere to make it profitable. We are a hilly county so what do we do? Blow up any mountain in the way?

You don`t sound like you are from Donegal (I am from Antartica by the way) but let me repeat yet again that without investment in infrastructure, nothing happens. First you get investment in infrastructure, then the private sector investment takes off and this acts as a magnet to people. Of course rural Ireland had people before the genocide started so the challenge now is stopping the genocide and giving those who have been forced to leave the opportunity to return.

realitykeeper

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Despite some of the largest ferries in the world operating out of Dublin already... :rolleyes:

That is nothing, Cork harbour has a little place downstream from the city call Cobh which gets the largest Cruise ships in world docking there. But getting back to the Shannon, they have the space and harbour for major international shipping yet all we hear about is the former glass bottle site in Dublin port. This small minded thinking is pathetic.

Cookie_Monster

realitykeeper wrote: »

That is nothing

oh right. how exactly is it nothing? It's how the majority of stuff gets into and out of Ireland.
What exactly do you propose all the giant ships coming into Shannon would actually be for and go to / come from where?

realitykeeper

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

oh right. how exactly is it nothing? It's how the majority of stuff gets into and out of Ireland.
What exactly do you propose all the giant ships coming into Shannon would actually be for and go to / come from where?

The Rotterdam hub is congested. Shannon is the solution.

FanadMan

realitykeeper wrote: »

You don`t sound like you are from Donegal (I am from Antartica by the way) but let me repeat yet again that without investment in infrastructure, nothing happens. First you get investment in infrastructure, then the private sector investment takes off and this acts as a magnet to people. Of course rural Ireland had people before the genocide started so the challenge now is stopping the genocide and giving those who have been forced to leave the opportunity to return.

You obviously know feck all about Donegal otherwise you'd know where Fanad is. And as for you being "from Antartica", why don't you go back there and see how you'd survive.

But you can ignore ^ as you are obviously just a troll or ShinHead out for points.

realitykeeper

FanadMan wrote: »

You obviously know feck all about Donegal otherwise you'd know where Fanad is.

I didn`t say I didn`t know where Fanad is. Why would you assume I didn`t know the place?