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To all the hard working Migrants on Xmas Day - thank you

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    #122
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Yeah mate its so fresh you memorized and quoted all of it.

    Eat my ass shorts.


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    #123
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I actually have gone back through your posts for the giggles and you are indeed a scholar. I retract my precious statements such is the profundity of your viewpoints.





    Deep.

    So to speak.

    ‘No actual reply. Let me quote your post history instead’

    LOL strawmanchild


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    #124
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Its an umbrella term. The one ‘’conservatives’ here are referring to is immigration, meanwhile it can also mean modes of economy, political ideology, languages, pluralism, religion, syncretism etc etc etc.

    In other words, its the default state of humanity. To say that its bad while speaking the english language, while wearing a bangladeshi t shirt then drinking heineken with the lads is why im pointing out the myopic view of the people here. Ireland would be clans picking off gourds from Blathnaids farm like that isolated tribe in madagascar if it werent for cultural exchange

    Do you live on Sesame Street or what ?


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    #125
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Do you live on Sesame Street or what ?

    Dundrum. Why? No actual reply?


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    #126
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    strawmanchild

    Was that a word of the day from one of your favourite bloggers?


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    #127
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Dundrum. Why? No actual reply?

    My reply is that your failed attempt at a definition was vague, wooly-woofter nonsense, upon which no sane society would make actual immigration policy.


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    #128
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Was that a word of the day from one of your favourite bloggers?

    Portmanteau of strawman and manchild.


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    #129
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    My reply is that your failed attempt at a definition was vague, wooly-woofter nonsense, upon which no sane society would make actual immigration policy.


    When did i say that? You asked me the definition of multiculturalism. I replied with a precise one.

    Youre still thinking multiculturalism means immigration when you can have one without the other. And multiculturalism means a lot of other things.

    This is pretty simple.


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    #130
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    When did i say that? You asked me the definition of multiculturalism. I replied with a precise one.

    Youre still thinking multiculturalism means immigration when you can have one without the other. And multiculturalism means a lot of other things.

    This is pretty simple.

    Conflating multiculturalism with cultural exchange is not precise.

    Secondly, trying to downplay the huge importance of immigration in relation to multiculturalism is one thing. Doing it in a thread that is about 'Migrants', is a bit much.

    Thirdly, in the real world where people are using the term in a non-theoretical way, to discuss eg social policy, and mistakes that have been made around the multi-cultural approach to it, it means something completely and totally different to anything you have referenced.


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    #131
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Conflating multiculturalism with cultural exchange is not precise.

    Secondly, trying to downplay the huge importance of immigration in relation to multiculturalism is one thing. Doing it in a thread that is about 'Migrants', is a bit much.

    Thirdly, in the real world where people are using the term in a non-theoretical way, to discuss eg social policy, and mistakes that have been made around the multi-cultural approach to it, it means something completely and totally different to anything you have referenced.

    Its not ‘conflating’. One is a facet of the other.

    If you dont like sociological terms, why use it?

    Just admit you hate brown people, that’d get your point across clearer than watching you stumble over terms you clearly dont know.


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    #132
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Its not ‘conflating’. One is a facet of the other.

    If you dont like sociological terms, why use it?

    Just admit you hate brown people, that’d get your point across clearer than watching you stumble over terms you clearly dont know.

    You want to reduce it to a sociological term, but on that you are patently wrong.

    It's very clear that you are the one who doesn't know what the word means, when it is used by people in power, like Merkel, Cameron et al.

    They have not used it a sociological explanation of 'how things are and have always been'.

    They use it to describe a political programme. One which has failed.

    That is a far more important use of the word than your schoolbooks, and you are completely unaware of it.


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    #133
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    You want to reduce it to a sociological term, but on that you are patently wrong.

    It's very clear that you are the one who doesn't know what the word means, when it is used by people in power, like Merkel, Cameron et al.

    They have not used it a sociological explanation of 'how things are and have always been'.

    They use it to describe a political programme. One which has failed.

    That is a far more important use of the word than your schoolbooks, and you are completely unaware of it.

    ? You could simply say immigration. Theres no need for reductionism, just say the correct term. Im using the term as textbook accurate as possible because thats how debates and dialogue happen. Otherwise its just a screaming contest.

    Ive disambiguated everything so far, and im wondering if i should just answer your side for you.


    Tbh, unmitigated immigration is no doubt bad for a multitude of reasons.

    But multiculturalism isnt inherently bad. Unless you wanna live in a hut without internet or electricity, gathering berries for the rest of your life.

    Thousands of years of multiculturalism is what led up to us talking over DARPAnet, using english, about a nation using the nordic economic model.


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    #134
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    The predictable smear tactic of calling people racist is really a very dangerous road to go down, and should not be unchallenged.

    For anyone who wants to see the serious consequences of such dishonesty, look at the experiences of the Labour MP Ann Cryer, when she tried to raise the issue of grooming in Rotherham.


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    #135
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    ? You could simply say immigration.

    No, that is absolutely incorrect.

    Cut to the chase here.

    What do Merkel and Cameron mean by using the term ?


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    #136
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Cut to the chase here.

    What do Merkel and Cameron mean by using the term ?

    ‘Mate’ ive disambiguated everything. They and you both mean mass immigration.

    Meanwhile im saying multiculturalism means a bunch of other things, vast majority of which are beneficial.


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    #137
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    ‘Mate’ ive disambiguated everything. They and you both mean mass immigration.

    Meanwhile im saying multiculturalism means a bunch of other things, vast majority of which are beneficial.

    You have disambiguated nothing, by your very narrow insistence of it being a sociological term.

    You said -
    If you dont like sociological terms, why use it?


    You have completely ignored the fact that it is also a political philosophy term. You seem oblivious to that.


    It disambiguates nothing to say that multiculturalism means mass-immigration to me or anyone else.

    One is an approach to the other. Which has failed.


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    #138
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    You have disambiguated nothing, by your very narrow insistence of it being a sociological term.

    You said -


    You have completely ignored the fact that it is also a political philosophy term. You seem oblivious to that.


    It disambiguates nothing to say that multiculturalism means mass-immigration to me or anyone else.

    One is an approach to the other. Which has failed.


    ? Not a refutation

    http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195396577/obo-9780195396577-0361.xml

    ‘Multiculturalism is actually an umbrella term that covers a number of distinct subliteratures‘


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    #139
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Funny how sociology and anthropology is useless academia but philosophy isnt lol.

    Arguing with strawmen i guess


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    #140
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    ? Not a refutation

    http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780195396577/obo-9780195396577-0361.xml

    ‘Multiculturalism is actually an umbrella term that covers a number of distinct subliteratures‘

    So, not just a sociological term then, as we already knew.

    What does your online dictionary say about it from a political philosophy point of view ?


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    #141
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Funny how sociology and anthropology is useless academia but philosophy isnt lol.

    Arguing with strawmen i guess

    What's your obsession with straw ? Are you a donkey or what ?

    Don't answer that.


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    #142
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    What's your obsession with straw ? Are you a donkey ?

    Don't answer that.

    Nothing. Just pointing out cognitive dissonance in your context and arguments


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    #143
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    So, not just a sociological term then, as we already knew.

    What does your online dictionary say about it from a political philosophy point of view ?

    I wanna know what YOU think it means.

    Cause i was just enjoying a cup of Cappuccino (Italian) while watching Transpotting 2 (Scottish) and wondering why this guy hates other cultures so much lol


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    #144
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Patrick Tate wrote: »
    Its the only form of "personal abuse" that is acceptable here on boards, so it seems.

    Call someone a pŕick and you'll get a ban.

    ‘Im not racist. Also deport all brown people’

    ?


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    #145
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    The predictable smear tactic of calling people racist is really a very dangerous road to go down, and should not be unchallenged.

    A trend I've noticed is that the term "brown people" is only ever used by so-called liberal people on here. I don't think I've really seen anyone ever straight up say "I don't like brown people". Maybe one or two assholes ever but none who have lasted on this site.


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    #146
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    I wanna know what YOU think it means.

    Because you don't know yourself, although I already asked you.

    Do you no harm to research it, surely ?

    Anyway, despite your disgusting inferences in relation to 'brown people', here are a few words from Trevor Phillips - I suggest strongly that you inform yourself about who he is.
    In 2004 Trevor Phillips, chairman of the the Commission for Racial Equality - now the Equality and Human Rights Commission - told the Times that multiculturalism was out of date because it "suggests separateness" and should be replaced with policies which promote integration and "assert a core of Britishness".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-12381027

    Note the word 'policies', underlined. The real world of decisions that affect other people.


    Merkel and Cameron I've already referenced in the thread.


    A stark example from two Labour MP's of how multi-culturalism has FAILED. I don't think it has to do with not enough lettuce in the doner.

    First, here is a Labour MP on the Rotherham scandal -
    Last week, Denis MacShane, the former MP for Rotherham, admitted he might have not done enough about child sexual exploitation by Asian men in his constituency because he was a "Guardian-reading liberal leftie".

    "I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat, if I may put it like that." Last week, he said Cryer did what others should have had the courage to do.


    The Cryer here is Ann Cryer, former MP for Keighley
    In 2002, when she was Labour MP for Keighley, Cryer became the first public figure in Britain to talk out about allegations of "young Asian lads" grooming underage white girls in the West Yorkshire town. As a result, she was shunned by elements of her party, a panic button was installed in her house and Nick Griffin stood against her for the far-right British National party (BNP), claiming that she was not doing enough to protect young white girls.
    Cryer is adamant that she can't have been the only politician to have heard such stories. "There must have been councillors and MPs, I think, all over the country who knew what was going on but were terrified. It's a genuine fear, to be terrified of being labelled a racist. No one wants to be called a racist, least of all someone who isn't a racist."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rotherham-girls-could-have-been-spared-ann-cryer


    Cause i was just enjoying a cup of Cappuccino (Italian) while watching Transpotting 2 (Scottish) and wondering why this guy hates other cultures so much lol

    There is more beneficial culture in my yogurt than there is in your life, QED.

    But who from my personal collection of world music shall I name-drop here as though it were in any way relevant... LOL

    Ali Farka Toure (Mali) ? Ibrahim Ferrer (Cuba) ? Jacques Brel (France) ? Paolo Conte (Italy) ?

    Perhaps I might settle down to watch a DVD from my collection -Andrzej Wajda's (Poland) Krajobraz Po Bitwa maybe, or Ziemia Obiecana ? What about Federico Fellini's (Italy) Amarcord.

    Maybe I'll just re-listen to John Coltrane's (USA) Giant Steps ?


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    #147
    AllForIt
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    Thanks to all the migrants who worked on xmas day, especially all the Muslims who never celebrated xmas in their lives and have no intention of ever doing so. It must have been really hard for you, especially on a Monday. If it wasn't for Muslim migrants we'd probably have to cancel xmas altogether.


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    #148
    BalcombeSt4
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    Thanks to all the workers who worked on xmas, migrant or non-migrant, because of you I was able to buy fags on xmas day.

    The working class revolution is just around the corner, all power to the soviets & workers councils!


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    #149
    magentis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭magentis


    AllForIt wrote: »
    Thanks to all the migrants who worked on xmas day, especially all the Muslims who never celebrated xmas in their lives and have no intention of ever doing so. It must have been really hard for you, especially on a Monday. If it wasn't for Muslim migrants we'd probably have to cancel xmas altogether.

    Monday?


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    #150
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,347 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    magentis wrote: »
    Monday?

    Always loose track of what day it is this time of year.


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