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To all the hard working Migrants on Xmas Day - thank you

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    #62
    Wibbs
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    To all the hard-working Paddys who built up England - thank you. Subtext: Those lazy English bastards would be lost without you.

    Yeah, that's about the jist of this stupidity. You could have just thanked everybody, but you chose to make some affected right-on r point. I once worked any Christmas Day I was offered as it was better money. And i got quadruple pay for working overnight in NYE 1999/2000. Why I deserve special thanks for that I don't know - but it seems clear from this thread title that I don't actually deserve special thanks at all. Why? Because I'm not a "migrant". Jesus. How to oppose discrimination by supporting it. Embarrassing stuff.
    Nail on the head.
    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Youre saying its not?
    Oh its a great idea, but one that in practice at a certain level turns out to be not so great.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #63
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Nail on the head.

    Oh its a great idea, but one that in practice at a certain level turns out to be not so great.

    Yeah i really hate speaking (Language derived from Germanic dialect) during (Holiday derived from Christian tradition) while watching (American Movie) on my (Korean UHD TV) with my (Extended family from France, America and Spain) after singing (Traditional Irish and German Folk songs)

    Multiculturalism is so sh*t honestly, cant see how it benefits society at all.

    We should all go back to the grey insular days.


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    #64
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    Yad swear they were working for charity. Probably getting paid triple time.
    Just the Irish workers? And perhaps they're not getting triple time, and would prefer to be with their families?
    Try_harder wrote: »
    Virtue Signalling the gammons go to expression
    Then says "gammon" - the irony. Who's Jan? Are you going to answer this time?

    Thanks to all working today - in particular those who celebrate Christmas but have to go to work, some jobs being very tough.


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    #65
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,869 ✭✭✭enricoh


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Yeah i really hate speaking (Language derived from Germanic dialect) during (Holiday derived from Christian tradition) while watching (American Movie) on my (Korean UHD TV) with my (Extended family from France, America and Spain) after singing (Traditional Irish and German Folk songs)

    Multiculturalism is so sh*t honestly, cant see how it benefits society at all.

    We should all go back to the grey insular days.

    A multicultural telly? Who knew, its a bad day u dont learn something!


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    #66
    ebbsy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,796 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    fatknacker wrote: »
    There was an Irish person working in my local shop today. I purchased cream and whipped cream then gave out to her for stealing migrant's jobs from them as I walked out the door.

    Did you smear the whipped cream all over your prone naked body ?


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    #67
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    In work we have plenty of Indian, Chinese, Japanese and a couple of Pakis and they were all happy to wish a happy Christmas to us despite the fact they don't celebrate it themselves. I think they enjoy the celebrations leading up to the 25th as much as I do to be honest


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    #68
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    enricoh wrote: »
    A multicultural telly? Who knew, its a bad day u dont learn something!

    Is there an Irish television brand?


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    #69
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Yeah i really hate speaking (Language derived from Germanic dialect) during (Holiday derived from Christian tradition) while watching (American Movie) on my (Korean UHD TV) with my (Extended family from France, America and Spain) after singing (Traditional Irish and German Folk songs)

    Multiculturalism is so sh*t honestly, cant see how it benefits society at all.

    We should all go back to the grey insular days.
    You do understand(hope springs...) that there exists a difference between cultural exchange and population migration?

    Oh and by the by everything you noted there is European in origin and/or culture. Yep including your Korean telly. Take Europe and its colonies out of the mix and chances are extremely high there wouldn't even be tellies for Koreans to make. The progressiveness you spout comes from the same source, as does the majority of tech, fashion and wider culture. It's an accident of history and geography and a few thousand years ago it would have been the Middle East, Greece and China but since the enlightenment it is what it is.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #70
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Is there an Irish television brand?

    Ferguson lol


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    #71
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Wibbs wrote: »
    You do understand(hope springs...) that there exists a difference between cultural exchange and population migration?

    Oh and by the by everything you noted there is European in origin and/or culture. Yep including your Korean telly. Take Europe and its colonies out of the mix and chances are extremely high there wouldn't even be tellies for Koreans to make. The progressiveness you spout comes from the same source, as does the majority of tech, fashion and wider culture. It's an accident of history and geography and a few thousand years ago it would have been the Middle East, Greece and China but since the enlightenment it is what it is.

    So youre saying multiculturalism is good?


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    #72
    Wibbs
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    DellyBelly wrote: »
    a couple of Pakis
    eh...

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #73
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    nthclare wrote: »
    Ferguson lol

    UK tho


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    #74
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    So youre saying multiculturalism is good?
    So you're saying a particular type of multiculturalism is good? You wrote what you wrote. You didn't address my first question.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #75
    Lucy8080
    Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    nthclare wrote: »
    Ferguson lol

    T. O'Shiba?


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    #76
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Wibbs wrote: »
    So you're saying a particular type of multiculturalism is good? You wrote what you wrote.

    Im glad we agree that multiculturalism is good. As you pointed out Europe is Full of cultural syncretism


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    #77
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    In work we have plenty of Indian, Chinese, Japanese and a couple of Pakis and they were all happy to wish a happy Christmas to us despite the fact they don't celebrate it themselves. I think they enjoy the celebrations leading up to the 25th as much as I do to be honest
    Don't think you're supposed to call them that. If you were in the UK you'd be in right trouble. Over there it's like calling a black american an N-word.


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    #78
    rgodard80a
    Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭rgodard80a


    Try_harder wrote: »
    Im very relaxed. Xmas is about spreading love and joy and peace to all mankind after all

    Some guy was nailed to a cross for saying stuff like that.


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    #79
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    rgodard80a wrote: »
    Some guy was nailed to a cross for saying stuff like that.
    It's grand though. He came back to life after three days.


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    #80
    rgodard80a
    Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭rgodard80a


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Im glad we agree that multiculturalism is good. As you pointed out Europe is Full of cultural syncretism

    Effective integration might be "not bad". I fail to see the upside of multi culturism especially when it's often ineffective and widely rejected.


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    #81
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    rgodard80a wrote: »
    Effective integration might be "not bad". I fail to see the upside of multi culturism especially when it's often ineffective and widely rejected.

    What language are we speaking in?


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    #82
    Wibbs
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    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Im glad we agree that multiculturalism is good.
    Again you're avoiding my question, wilfully or from ignorance it's hard to gauge.
    As you pointed out Europe is Full of cultural syncretism
    Indeed, so is it only European origin "multiculturalism" you're OK with? Seems to be the case.
    sk8erboii wrote: »
    What language are we speaking in?
    English, yet another European cultural import. One that was "imported" on the back of an armed invasion. That cool with you too?

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #83
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Again you're avoiding my question, wilfully or from ignorance it's hard to gauge. Indeed, so is it only European origin "multiculturalism" you're OK with? Seems to be the case.

    English, yet another European cultural import. One that was "imported" on the back of an armed invasion. That cool with you too?

    This lad’s off his meds.

    Me: Multiculturalism is good because it makes life interesting. We borrow many things from Europe, a place full of culture, including languages, traditions, and art.
    You: WTF BRO ARMED INVASION. EUROPE IS ONE CULTURE. THE CHINESE FORGOT TO ADD THE SWEET N SOUR SAUCE


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    #84
    Wibbs
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    sk8erboii wrote: »
    This lad’s off his meds.

    Me: Multiculturalism is good because it makes life interesting. We borrow many things from Europe, a place full of culture, including languages, traditions, and art.
    You: WTF BRO ARMED INVASION. EUROPE IS ONE CULTURE. THE CHINESE FORGOT TO ADD THE SWEET N SOUR SAUCE
    So you won't answer then? OK. Again; is it only European origin "multiculturalism" you're OK with?

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #85
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Wibbs wrote: »
    So you won't answer then? OK. Again; is it only European origin "multiculturalism" you're OK with?

    Mate can you not read context?
    Any beneficial cultural exchange is beneficial. Love chinese takeaway, canadian jackets and south american cocktails.


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    #86
    PuppyMcPupFace
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 255 ✭✭PuppyMcPupFace


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Mate can you not read context?
    Any beneficial cultural exchange is beneficial. Love chinese takeaway, canadian jackets and south american cocktails.

    And if a million Sao Paolo barmen come with that it would still be good ?

    No chance.

    You are confusing - deliberately or otherwise - cultural influences from elsewhere and mass multiculturalism which rarely if ever ends well for the indigenous population.


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    #87
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »
    And if a million Sao Paolo barmen come with that it would still be good ?

    No chance.

    You are confusing - deliberately or otherwise - cultural influences from elsewhere and mass multiculturalism which rarely if ever ends well for the indigenous population.

    ‘Too much of a thing is too much’

    You dont say?


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    #88
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Mate can you not read context?
    Any beneficial cultural exchange is beneficial. Love chinese takeaway, canadian jackets and south american cocktails.

    Multiculturalism, and beneficial cultural exchange, are mutually exclusive terms.


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    #89
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Multiculturalism, and beneficial cultural exchange, are mutually exclusive terms.

    Cultural exchange is a type of multiculturalism. The proper sociological term is ‘Cultural pluralism’


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    #90
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Cultural exchange is a type of multiculturalism. The proper sociological term is ‘Cultural pluralism’

    But when Merkel or Cameron, erstwhile cheerleaders for 'multiculturalism', give up on it, and say it has failed then we know in what sense they are using the term, do we not ?

    eg
    Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

    She said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work, and immigrants needed to do more to integrate - including learning German.

    - Angela Merkel, 2010

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559451

    "Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a ‘life lie,’ ”
    - Angela Merkel, 2015

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.106baba217af

    David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech as prime minister on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism.... Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism," the prime minister said.
    - David Cameron, 2011

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-12371994


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    #91
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    But when Merkel or Cameron, erstwhile cheerleaders for 'multiculturalism', give up on it, and say it has failed then we know in what sense they are using the term, do we not ?

    eg



    - Angela Merkel, 2010

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11559451



    - Angela Merkel, 2015

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.106baba217af



    - David Cameron, 2011

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-12371994

    Whoa. Its almost as if politcians arent really sociologist or anything..


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