Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

DrumSteve · 10-12-2018 11:16am

everlast75 wrote: »

Monday's schedule for DJT is clear, other than one meeting.... with Mike Pence.

Imagine, this whole time if it turned out it was Pence who was ratting him out to Mueller.

The fallout would be glorious.

jooksavage · 10-12-2018 12:41pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

Imagine, this whole time if it turned out it was Pence who was ratting him out to Mueller.

The fallout would be glorious.

I remembering reading about a mob prosecutor who said that the most gratifying part of the job was seeing the wiseguys scramble turn on each other when they realised the jig was up. The guys who took the hardest line on suspected rats turned out to be the biggest snitches of all.

DrumSteve · 10-12-2018 12:45pm

jooksavage wrote: »

I remembering reading about a mob prosecutor who said that the most gratifying part of the job was seeing the wiseguys scramble turn on each other when they realised the jig was up. The guys who took the hardest line on suspected rats turned out to be the biggest snitches of all.

Christ, imagine it was trump ratting out all the lads below him to try keep himself in a job.

everlast75 · 10-12-2018 12:56pm

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072095127894667265?s=19

"A smocking gun" - twice.

Seriously.

mcmoustache · 10-12-2018 1:01pm

everlast75 wrote: »

Monday's schedule for DJT is clear, other than one meeting.... with Mike Pence.

A clear schedule? I guess that means he's going to sit in his bed with his bucket of KFC live tweeting Fox and Friends.

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072095127894667265?s=19

"A smocking gun" - twice.

Seriously.

Because of course he is.

B0jangles · 10-12-2018 1:10pm

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072095127894667265?s=19

"A smocking gun" - twice.

Seriously.

No, no, it's not that he can't spell simple words, it's the lead into a bit of 'clever' wordplay:

MUELLER REPORT IS A TOTAL STITCH UP

JUST TRYING TO PIN DEMOCRAT CRIMES ON TRUMP

For Forks Sake · 10-12-2018 1:14pm

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072095127894667265?s=19

"A smocking gun" - twice.

Seriously.

He hasn't had his morning covfefe yet.

relax carry on · 10-12-2018 1:15pm

Come on. He's insane. He must be. Who in their right mind would believe anything he says now.

everlast75 · 10-12-2018 1:20pm

relax carry on wrote: »

Come on. He's insane. He must be. Who in their right mind would believe anything he says now.

that's the truth of it.

His tweets are something to be openly mocked now. They aren't even sensational, or noteworthy. They are just tired and "old hat".

The deficit is spiralling, North Korea is ignoring him, the Reps got annihilated in the mid-terms, his own justice dept believe he is guilty of 2 felonies, Russia is clearly wagging the dog, as is Saudi Arabia, he can't find people to work from him.

It's only a matter of time folks.

Pelvis · 10-12-2018 1:22pm

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072095127894667265?s=19

"A smocking gun" - twice.

Seriously.

Stop smocking him!

duploelabs · 10-12-2018 1:23pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

Imagine, this whole time if it turned out it was Pence who was ratting him out to Mueller.

The fallout would be glorious.

one word: Lodestar

serfboard · 10-12-2018 1:27pm

TomOnBoard wrote: »

would anyone be caring about all this at all if Trump had not taken the Presidency

That's the thing for me. I don't think anyone would.

There's a theory that Trump never really wanted the Presidency at all, and that it started out as a way to boost his own ratings in order to get a more lucrative contract for The Apprentice.

Unfotunately, it all went wrong and he ended up winning. Pictures of him on the night show him being as surprised as anyone else.

Of course, once he got in, and he saw all the available grifting opportunities, he relished it. Plus, he loved the title, the deference that comes with it, and the adoration and adulation from the rallies he continued to hold after the campaign was over.

Now however, the remit given to a Special Prosecutor to investigate possible collusion, and any other criminal activity that he comes accross, has lead to Trump's activities going back decades being examined.

I think that Trump will come to rue the day he won the Presidency. It has opened him up to all sorts of possible criminal charges that he would otherwise probably not have faced.

Professor Moriarty · 10-12-2018 1:35pm

serfboard wrote: »

That's the thing for me. I don't think anyone would.

There's a theory that Trump never really wanted the Presidency at all, and that it started out as a way to boost his own ratings in order to get a more lucrative contract for The Apprentice.

Unfotunately, it all went wrong and he ended up winning. Pictures of him on the night show him being as surprised as anyone else.

Of course, once he got in, and he saw all the available grifting opportunities, he relished it. Plus, he loved the title, the deference that comes with it, and the adoration and adulation from the rallies he continued to hold after the campaign was over.

Now however, the remit given to a Special Prosecutor to investigate possible collusion, and any other criminal activity that he comes accross, has lead to Trump's activities going back decades being examined.

I think that Trump will come to rue the day he won the Presidency. It has opened him up to all sorts of possible criminal charges that he would otherwise probably not have faced.

Very good point.

Leroy42 · 10-12-2018 1:54pm

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072095127894667265?s=19

So now he has admitted that the business transactions took place and by extension (it was a simple business transaction) that he knew about.

Thats a pretty far cry from him claiming to the press that he had no dealings with Russia.

duploelabs · 10-12-2018 1:56pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

So now he has admitted that the business transactions took place and by extension (it was a simple business transaction) that he knew about.

Thats a pretty far cry from him claiming to the press that he had no dealings with Russia.

Two separate matters

Penn · 10-12-2018 1:57pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

So now he has admitted that the business transactions took place and by extension (it was a simple business transaction) that he knew about.

Thats a pretty far cry from him claiming to the press that he had no dealings with Russia.

The transaction he's talking about was the payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen MacDougal, thereby related to campaign finance violations. Not anything to do with Russia.

He's also purposely causing obfuscation with his tweet by talking about how they didn't find any collusion with Russia as part of Comey's interview on Friday even though that interview related to Clinton's emails and potential FBI bias against Trump, not collusion.

PropJoe10 · 10-12-2018 2:35pm

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072095127894667265?s=19

"A smocking gun" - twice.

Seriously.

Unbelievable.

everlast75 · 10-12-2018 2:49pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

So now he has admitted that the business transactions took place and by extension (it was a simple business transaction) that he knew about.

Calling Cohen a liar is pot, kettle and black stuff.

Trump himself said he knew nothing about the hush money payments, which was a lie.

He was then caught on tape, and lied about what was said, even though we could all hear different.

Now, he admits he knew of them, without acknowledging that he lied previously of course.

He says the "Dems go to", when the Justice Dept appointees are his appointees and Republicans..

Denies that its a campaign finance violation - if it was not, then why talk about paying it in cash on tape, then why did Rudy say on Fox and Friends ...

“Imagine if that came out on Oct. 15, 2016, in the middle of the last debate with Hillary Clinton?" Giuliani asked.

"Cohen made it go away," he added. "He did his job."

And then finishes it off, by calling the SDNY prosecution a witch hunt, a term previously reserved for Mueller's investigation.

At this stage, a 3 year old could debunk his defence strategy.

Leroy42 · 10-12-2018 3:06pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Leroy42 wrote: »

So now he has admitted that the business transactions took place and by extension (it was a simple business transaction) that he knew about.

Thats a pretty far cry from him claiming to the press that he had no dealings with Russia.

Two separate matters

Ah ok, didn't spot that.

Change Russia for Stormy and the substance is still the same.

Total witch hunt yet he continues to be shown to be lying

StringerBell · 10-12-2018 3:17pm

He doesn't have a strategy, its just reactive and instinctual.

Don't go putting any more thought into it than necessary. Its a result of his entire life not having to worry about consequences or think further down the line, where whatever he says goes unchallenged or people who do challenge it just get removed from his world.

People while supporting him laud his "counter punching" because they literally have nothing else they can scrape together and thats the closest thing to a compliment they can find for him. He is a great keyboard warrior is basically what it amounts to. Well done Mr President. He is unable to hide his cowardly nature for very long though and never in person.

The sooner this thing ends the better, who knows the long term damage his presidency is going to leave behind because though he is an idiot with no clear agenda or ideology other than whats good for Trump right now, some do and they are getting things done at times in the background.

duploelabs · 10-12-2018 3:49pm

Interesting speculation made here that Trump will resign 10 minutes before his term finishes so acting president Pence can pardon him

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-impeachment-resignation-robert-mueller-mueller-probe-russia-1251580

everlast75 · 10-12-2018 3:51pm

Interesting point on O'Donnell Friday night.

If Trump had lost the presidential election, he would be charged alongside Cohen by the SDNY.

Therefore, the only thing that is stopping that from happening is a memo, a legal opinion. There is nothing in the constitution which prohibits the President from being criminally charged.

It makes me wonder, are they waiting to rack up more crimes before launching their attempt to charge the Pres, if they haven't already (possibly the case under seal in 9th Circuit)

FreudianSlippers · 10-12-2018 3:56pm

duploelabs wrote: »

Interesting speculation made here that Trump will resign 10 minutes before his term finishes so acting president Pence can pardon him

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-impeachment-resignation-robert-mueller-mueller-probe-russia-1251580

Risky stuff since Pence isn't looking squeaky clean in this either.

Penn · 10-12-2018 4:10pm

everlast75 wrote: »

It makes me wonder, are they waiting to rack up more crimes before launching their attempt to charge the Pres, if they haven't already (possibly the case under seal in 9th Circuit)

"Come at the King... you best not miss" - Omar, The Wire

If they're going to charge Trump with anything, it needs to be absolutely airtight with no route of escape, because if the first charges brought against him can be side-stepped, he'll use it to delegitimise and shut down the entire thing.

Mueller has shown he's the man for the job, but they need to have it all sown up before any charges are brought against him.

everlast75 · 10-12-2018 4:21pm

Penn wrote: »

"Come at the King... you best not miss" - Omar, The Wire

If they're going to charge Trump with anything, it needs to be absolutely airtight with no route of escape, because if the first charges brought against him can be side-stepped, he'll use it to delegitimise and shut down the entire thing.

Mueller has shown he's the man for the job, but they need to have it all sown up before any charges are brought against him.

I take the point that you only get one shot, whether it be by indictment or impeachment but...

To be fair, i don't doubt that the charges against Trump are anything but airtight. We have audio recording. Cohen can plead guilty all he wants to certain crimes, including the two involving DJT, but the Southern District would only accept that plea if they were certain he committed the crimes he plead guilty to.

In my opinion, it is the magnitude of the crime, or alternatively the number of crimes that will influence whether parties proceed or not.

10-12-2018 4:29pm

Penn wrote: »

The transaction he's talking about was the payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen MacDougal, thereby related to campaign finance violations. Not anything to do with Russia.

On mobile so I won't link to it now, but there was an article on thehill.com yesterday where Rand Paul was suggesting that campaign laws might be over criminalised!

SimonTemplar · 10-12-2018 4:29pm

All this is looking increasingly unlikely Trump will be running in 2020.

Quin_Dub · 10-12-2018 4:36pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

All this is looking increasingly unlikely Trump will be running in 2020.

Oh, He'll run alright..

GOP will not impeach him , simple as that - Or at least not until his popularity with GOP voters falls off a cliff , which has not happened yet..

He will run because being President could possibly be the only thing to keep him out if jail if everything we are hearing and surmising from the Mueller investigation comes to pass.

If he wins , then he's golden , if he loses then as previously mentioned he pulls the "resign 10 minutes early" trick and Pence pardons him.

The downside to the second option is that there will likely be lots of State level charges waiting for him that a POTUS can't pardon.

But bottom line , Trumps ONLY chance of survival is re-election and he will do anything and everything to try to achieve that.

That is the real concern - What would he be willing to do to survive??

10-12-2018 4:41pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Oh, He'll run alright..

GOP will not impeach him , simple as that - Or at least not until his popularity with GOP voters falls off a cliff , which has not happened yet..

He will run because being President could possibly be the only thing to keep him out if jail if everything we are hearing and surmising from the Mueller investigation comes to pass.

If he wins , then he's golden , if he loses then as previously mentioned he pulls the "resign 10 minutes early" trick and Pence pardons him.

The downside to the second option is that there will likely be lots of State level charges waiting for him that a POTUS can't pardon.

But bottom line , Trumps ONLY chance of survival is re-election and he will do anything and everything to try to achieve that.

That is the real concern - What would he be willing to do to survive??

The next presidential campaign will be an absolute circus.

everlast75 · 10-12-2018 4:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

On mobile so I won't link to it now, but there was an article on thehill.com yesterday where Rand Paul was suggesting that campaign laws might be over criminalised!

Well, he should introduce legislative change then so.

In the meantime, until those changes take effect, the current law is the law and thankfully, one cannot retrospectively change it.

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