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European Parliament Elections 2019

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    #932
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,977 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Bambi wrote:
    Public transport has never (and will never) ease anyone frustrations in this country. The car is king for a reason.


    We need to invest heavily in both public and private transport options, but I agree, we ve developed our society around the car, this needs to be addressed, but it won't be easy, it won't be easy for us to move this from a private model, to a public one, and you d have to wonder if that's even possible


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    #933
    Patser
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭Patser


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Lots of commentary on that article in the comments section saying it's nonsense and countries are releasing exit poll results. Telegraph is not the paper it once was.

    Maybe, but there are still no exit polls, results coming out in UK


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    #934
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    What they choose to do is their business. There are 4/5 countries at the polls today so we'll have some idea of whether Ireland and the Netherlands have gone rogue later.

    The Greens apparent success with potentially 3 seats may not change much quickly but with Dublin going green and also being the be all and end all of the economy the two big parties will have to react - we live in an issue led world as parties become less important.


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    #935
    [Deleted User]
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    Results of EU elections cannot be released until the polls have closed in all countries. For some reason the UK have interpreted this to mean that you can't even release an exit poll, even though that's clearly not the case.


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    #936
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,471 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    FG and the Greens.

    Well done everyone. We just kicked the misery up a gear for many.

    Who did you vote for yourself?

    Weren't you suggesting that our citizens are worse off than those of India and China earlier on in this thread?
    I think you need to gain some perspective.


    The reality is housing and transport policy are key policies in sustainability and linked closely togwthe. The fact that they are not great or functioning at the moment needs a shakeup, but not a shakeup that entails electing some of the absolute off the wall candidates that were running.


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    #937
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,167 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    On a dublin/local level , removal of parking spaces, congestion charging, low emissions zones...

    On an EU level committing Ireland to emissions levels or renewable program targets that require penalties and taxation back here to meet

    All already underway across Europe and Ireland before yesterday's vote.

    No harm in any of the above anyway, our public and alternative transport facilities are woeful so need priority over single occupancy cars. But some "poor" motorists are full of self pity and entitlement they think the world is out to get them.


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    #938
    kippy
    Registered Users Posts: 18,471 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Bambi wrote: »
    Public transport has never (and will never) ease anyone frustrations in this country. The car is king for a reason.

    Tell that to the hundreds of thousands using the LUAS.
    Imagine there was no LUAS, how bad would the traffic be in Dublin now?

    Well thought out and integrate public transport can and is a solution for many, but a complete mindset change has to happen.


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    #939
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Flying Fox wrote: »
    For some reason the UK have interpreted this to mean that you can't even release an exit poll


    Tories trying to get one more day before the disaster hits.


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    #940
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Flying Fox wrote: »
    Results of EU elections cannot be released until the polls have closed in all countries. For some reason the UK have interpreted this to mean that you can't even release an exit poll, even though that's clearly not the case.

    Probably budget reasons.


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    #941
    votecounts
    Registered Users Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭votecounts


    Flying Fox wrote: »
    Results of EU elections cannot be released until the polls have closed in all countries. For some reason the UK have interpreted this to mean that you can't even release an exit poll, even though that's clearly not the case.
    I was under the impression that they did not do an exit poll in the UK, could be wrong.


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    #942
    Blueshoe
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    kippy wrote: »
    Who did you vote for yourself?

    Weren't you suggesting that our citizens are worse off than those of India and China earlier on in this thread?
    I think you need to gain some perspective.


    The reality is housing and transport policy are key policies in sustainability and linked closely togwthe. The fact that they are not great or functioning at the moment needs a shakeup, but not a shakeup that entails electing some of the absolute off the wall candidates that were running.

    No I said taxing us here in Ireland won't make any difference to how China and India continue their polluting ways. So you got that all wrong.

    Housing, healthcare etc are issues that cannot be "fixed"

    Black holes that require endless funding. Carbon taxation is incoming. Re introduction of water charges also.

    Essentially we will all be paying more tax with no alternatives and nothing will change.
    Ireland 101.


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    #943
    lawred2
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Public transport has never (and will never) ease anyone frustrations in this country. The car is king for a reason.

    This is just so incredibly wrongheaded and such a denial of reality.

    Where do you live? Connemara? What exactly is your experience or knowledge of public transport?


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    #944
    robman60
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    votecounts wrote: »
    I was under the impression that they did not do an exit poll in the UK, could be wrong.

    Well they always do for General Elections anyway. Every election day, David Dimbleby used to give the exit poll prediction as Big Ben struck 10 behind him!


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    #945
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,298 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    No I said taxing us here in Ireland won't make any difference to how China and India continue their polluting ways. So you got that all wrong.

    Housing, healthcare etc are issues that cannot be "fixed"

    Black holes that require endless funding. Carbon taxation is incoming. Re introduction of water charges also.

    Essentially we will all be paying more tax with no alternatives and nothing will change.
    Ireland 101.

    China is already outpacing the West in terms of green initiatives. The have reduced air borne particulates in their cities by near 40% in just the last 6 or so years.


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    #946
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    lawred2 wrote: »
    This is just so incredibly wrongheaded and such a denial of reality.

    Where do you live? Connemara? What exactly is your experience or knowledge of public transport?

    They discussed on the radio yesterday that close to 120k people travel into Dublin by car everyday.


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    #947
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    lawred2 wrote: »
    China is already outpacing the West in terms of green initiatives. The have reduced air borne particulates in their cities by near 40% in just the last 6 or so years.

    Really. A simple search tells a different story.

    https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/23/china-factories-releasing-thousands-of-tonnes-of-illegal-cfc-gases-study-finds?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2019%2Fmay%2F23%2Fchina-factories-releasing-thousands-of-tonnes-of-illegal-cfc-gases-study-finds

    Or this

    https://mobile-reuters-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1R20D0?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-pollution-idUSKCN1R20D0

    You are making stuff up my friend


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    #948
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,167 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    lawred2 wrote: »
    China is already outpacing the West in terms of green initiatives. The have reduced air borne particulates in their cities by near 40% in just the last 6 or so years.

    Leaders in battery technology for electric cars in which European car manufacturers use.


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    #949
    votecounts
    Registered Users Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭votecounts


    robman60 wrote: »
    Well they always do for General Elections anyway. Every election day, David Dimbleby used to give the exit poll prediction as Big Ben struck 10 behind him!
    I mean specifically for this election


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    #950
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,298 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    They discussed on the radio yesterday that close to 120k people travel into Dublin by car everyday.

    Which is obviously disappointing but it's on the decrease every year. Even more than that travel on public transport into DCC on a daily basis.


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    #951
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Huge returns for the Greens in local elections too.

    Need to dust off my Eamonn Ryan filter.


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    #952
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,298 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Really. A simple search tells a different story.

    https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/23/china-factories-releasing-thousands-of-tonnes-of-illegal-cfc-gases-study-finds?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2F2019%2Fmay%2F23%2Fchina-factories-releasing-thousands-of-tonnes-of-illegal-cfc-gases-study-finds

    Or this

    https://mobile-reuters-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1R20D0?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQA#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reuters.com%2Farticle%2Fus-china-pollution-idUSKCN1R20D0

    You are making stuff up my friend

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/14/pollutionwatch-china-shows-how-political-will-can-take-on-air-pollution


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    #953
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Which is obviously disappointing but it's on the decrease every year. Even more than that travel on public transport into DCC on a daily basis.

    I'm one of the 120k . No way is it decreasing. The tailbacks are starting further and further out.

    We don't have the infrastructure to change. More importantly we don't have the political foresight either.


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    #954
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    lawred2 wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/mar/14/pollutionwatch-china-shows-how-political-will-can-take-on-air-pollution

    Same paper giving two different stories. You believe one I believe the other


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    #955
    Christy42
    Registered Users Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭Christy42


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Which is obviously disappointing but it's on the decrease every year. Even more than that travel on public transport into DCC on a daily basis.

    And Dublin simply can't get bigger without better public transport services. It is not a big enough City center for 120k or whatever it is a day which is obvious going in every morning and getting stuck on the quays.


    In any case while people may disagree with the exact iniatives the greens come up with but this will help bring the discussion forward. We have to have it. We know the planet is suffering (well the planet is fine, the environment will just be less ideal for humans to live in). Maybe we can get other parties offering green alternatives for people to vote for.

    Hopefully if green parties do well across europe then EU wide iniatives can get enacted which have a bigger effect than simply Ireland.


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    #956
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,298 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I'm one of the 120k . No way is it decreasing. The tailbacks are starting further and further out.

    We don't have the infrastructure to change. More importantly we don't have the political foresight either.

    The proportion versus public transport is statistically falling.

    But your anecdotal research trumps all.

    Imagine how long your tailback would be if I and the thousands others took to our cars in the morning?


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    #957
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    lawred2 wrote: »
    The proportion versus public transport is statistically falling.

    But your anecdotal research trumps all.

    Imagine how long your tailback would be if I and the thousands others took to our cars in the morning?

    Why would people who live in Dublin drive out of the city to join the traffic coming back in?
    I'm talking about people who are traveling from outside the city


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    #958
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,298 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    I'm one of the 120k . No way is it decreasing. The tailbacks are starting further and further out.

    We don't have the infrastructure to change. More importantly we don't have the political foresight either.

    Why don't you get out of your car?

    Or do you want more roads to improve your commute? It's well known that more roads just leads to more traffic to fill them.


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    #959
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Why don't you get out of your car?

    Or do you want more roads to improve your commute? It's well known that more roads just leads to more traffic to fill them.

    Walk from Meath?


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    #960
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,298 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Why would people who live in Dublin drive out of the city to join the traffic coming back in?
    I'm talking about people who are traveling from outside the city

    I don't live in the city. I drive to a P&R for the train.


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    #961
    Colonel Claptrap
    Registered Users Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Colonel Claptrap


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Dunno how ppl could vote for fran Fitz after the DOJ debacle but there’s no talkin to some ppl

    The debacle that turned out not to be a debacle after all?


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