Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

oceanman

Omackeral wrote: »

What makes someone ethnically a Traveller, as opposed to just Irish?

the government..

tayto lover

end of the road wrote: »

if a chat show is going to interview someone, then depending on the subject they will have someone of the opposite opinion in the audience or as a guest. that's the nature of the game. that's what happened on the lls. in fact they are likely obligated to do it as part of impartiality rules and expectations. i see no conspiracy here.

So what about the rest of the post. You only addressed a small part of it and I bet if you were in any way honest with yourself, never mind us, you would admit that Casey was set up. It was so obvious.

FrancieBrady

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Anti traveller sentiments? Care to back it up? I made my thoughts on education known to another poster. Hardly anti traveller. I see though you like to engage in misrepresentation.Again yes they came across very badly. The traveller who attends or attended UL had to be corrected when he stated Casey had an altercation with the traveller family, Caseymentioned during his younger days . You clearly heard only what you wanted to hear.

Defending somebody who made anti traveller remarks is to be anti traveller yourself imo.

No idea what the UL thing is about.

FrancieBrady

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

But he's not a politician as has been pointed out to you several times by numerous posters so why keep saying he is? Strange.

Somebody who wants to stand for FF in Donegal and to become Taoiseach isn't a politician?
I think that is as confused as Casey's politics.

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

So what about the rest of the post. You only addressed a small part of it and I bet if you were in any way honest with yourself, never mind us, you would admit that Casey was set up. It was so obvious.

Of course he was 'set up'.

Most of you guys knew what was going to happen beforehand, what's all the faux surprise about.

oceanman

sydthebeat wrote: »

Can't believe this thread actually made it to 10,000 posts



Seems there's a lot more interest in Peter Casey views than some will admit

he will definitely be in with a good shout for the next presidential election!:D

Fann Linn

Still being discussed on social and MSM almost 3 weeks later.
Casey has struck a chord.

FrancieBrady

oceanman wrote: »

he will definitely be in with a good shout for the next presidential election!:D

Similar if not more intense discussion of Sean Gallagher last time and look how it worked out for him.

Fann Linn

Fann Linn wrote: »

Still being discussed on social and MSM almost 3 weeks later.
Casey has struck a chord.

Pavee Point duckin & diving on TV3 now

Plumbthedepths

FrancieBrady wrote:

Defending somebody who made anti traveller remarks is to be anti traveller yourself imo.

Thats the thing you keep claiming he made anti traveller remarks, he engaged in hate speech etc ad nauseum but when asked to back up your false claims your stock reply 'in my opinion ' you're entitled to your opinion just not your own makey uppy facts.

FrancieBrady wrote:

No idea what the UL thing is about.

The young traveller lad was or is a student from UL good that he went on after secondary school, all over the place in his attempt to attack Casey. Really I'm sure they could have prepared better that includes Tubs not forgetting Jenny McGuire what the f**k was she thinking? lol.
Anyway dude goodnight, I'm sure you'll be here tomorrow fighting the good fight till EOTR releaves you.

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Of course he was 'set up'.

Most of you guys knew what was going to happen beforehand, what's all the faux surprise about.

Good man Francie. You admit it. Took awhile but fair enough.
We though he would be allowed to answer what he was asked but Tub hitting him with 5 quick fire questions in 10 seconds is hardly giving him a chance.

I didn't mind the planted audience because I knew their "culture" would come out and ruin it for them. What I did mind was the poor effort by Tubs and RTE who were supposed to be professional but came out of it even worse than the travellers.

Topgear on Dave

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Pavee Point duckin & diving on TV3 now

Why are so many in jail? they are asked

"Institutional racism or they could be in for the TV licence"

Plumbthedepths

FrancieBrady wrote:

Somebody who wants to stand for FF in Donegal and to become Taoiseach isn't a politician? I think that is as confused as Casey's politics.

I'd want to be a formula one driver , doesn't mean I am one. See how it works?

maxwell smart

Tonight show has 2 travellers on. The female one is not doing them any favours...
Onto Margaret Cash now...€55k a year mentioned

Plumbthedepths

maxwell smart wrote:

Tonight show has 2 travellers on. The female one is not doing them any favours... Onto Margaret Cash now...€55k a year mentioned

It's when they open their mouths without thinking is what does them no favours. It's really not difficult, think ,formulate a reply then speak.

FrancieBrady

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'd want to be a formula one driver , doesn't mean I am one. See how it works?

Yeh ok Plumb, you got me. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

TallyRand

Fann Linn wrote: »

Still being discussed on social and MSM almost 3 weeks later.
Casey has struck a chord.

It’s like people know the facts

1) travellers are statistically the most un-educated group in Ireland

2) the highest pro-rata criminal group in Ireland

3) the highest non-tax contributing group in Ireland

Now in a very fair (really Ireland is) country with a gay prime minister of Indian heritage who can we point the finger at to blame rather than put it down largely to self responsibility?

That’s what the average punter can’t reconcile and why Peter Casey got approx 315k more votes than early polls suggested

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

Good man Francie. You admit it. Took awhile but fair enough.
We though he would be allowed to answer what he was asked but Tub hitting him with 5 quick fire questions in 10 seconds is hardly giving him a chance.

I didn't mind the planted audience because I knew their "culture" would come out and ruin it for them. What I did mind was the poor effort by Tubs and RTE who were supposed to be professional but came out of it even worse than the travellers.

Admit what? I said way back that Gay Byrne packed audiences all the time.
Tubs couldn't interview to save his life, that was Casey's mistake.
Are you telling me the Phoenix Park stuff was Casey's finest hour???? :D:D

oceanman

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Similar if not more intense discussion of Sean Gallagher last time and look how it worked out for him.

I was joking francie...

Noveight

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Why are so many in jail? they are asked

"Institutional racism or they could be in for the TV licence"

Always the victims. It’s never their fault.

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Admit what? I said way back that Gay Byrne packed audiences all the time.
Tubs couldn't interview to save his life, that was Casey's mistake.
Are you telling me the Phoenix Park stuff was Casey's finest hour???? :D:D

The Phoenix Park stuff was when Casey trolled Higgins after the election result about inviting all the travellers to the Aras and setting up a school for them as the Aras is so big and because Higgins was on their side. It was a troll. He was winding up Higgins.

I thought you knew that. It was posted here several times.

FrancieBrady

TallyRand wrote: »

It’s like people know the facts

1) travellers are statistically the most un-educated group in Ireland

2) the highest pro-rata criminal group in Ireland

3) the highest non-tax contributing group in Ireland

Now in a very fair (really Ireland is) country with a gay prime minister of Indian heritage who can we point the finger at to blame rather than put it down largely to self responsibility?

These patterns are repeated in marginalised communities around the world.
The only solutions here imo is to make SEMS work at what it was intended to do.
Give these people a stake and grow their sense of inclusion. I don't see any other solutions that are going to make things better.
Casey I think has set back any good work done by years.

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

The Phoenix Park stuff was when Casey trolled Higgins after the election result about inviting all the travellers to the Aras and setting up a school for them as the Aras is so big and because Higgins was on their side. It was a troll. He was winding up Higgins.

I thought you knew that. It was posted here several times.

It wasn't on Friday when he tried to stand it up.He got plenty of time and ended up looking ridiculous.

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It wasn't on Friday when he tried to stand it up.He got plenty of time and ended up looking ridiculous.

It was directly after the result came out.
Anyway Casey is not the brain of Ireland by any means but he certainly started a discussion that needs to be dealt with and not just about travellers. The man who gets up early is being screwed.

Goodnight Francie.

TallyRand

FrancieBrady wrote: »

These patterns are repeated in marginalised communities around the world.
The only solutions here imo is to make SEMS work at what it was intended to do.
Give these people a stake and grow their sense of inclusion. I don't see any other solutions that are going to make things better.
Casey I think has set back any good work done by years.

Why don’t we start with one the first communites that landed here in modern times, the Chinese back in the 70’s......oh wait, not a bother on them. Never heard a bad word / complaint uttered about the Chinese Irish.

Did we make everything easy for the Chinese way back when? Seems like they established themselves by themselves in a much harder and conservative age

oceanman

TallyRand wrote: »

Why don’t we start with one the first communites that landed here in modern times, the Chinese back in the 70’s......oh wait, not a bother on them. Never heard a bad word / complaint uttered about the Chinese Irish.

Did we make everything easy for the Chinese way back when? Seems like they established themselves by themselves in a much harder and conservative age

what the fukc was that about???

end of the road

tayto lover wrote: »

So what about the rest of the post. You only addressed a small part of it and I bet if you were in any way honest with yourself, never mind us, you would admit that Casey was set up. It was so obvious.

ultimately, he fell on his own sword with his own words.

Calhoun

Wow this thread has grown fairly fast lol, allready over 550 posts. I believe there was pavee point on the tonight with Vincent and Matt.

Twitter seems to be going beserk, apparently old Pavee were taking the piss.

Ursus Horribilis

It'd be nice if the media coverage, the politicians and this thread moved on from the repetitive echo chamber this issue has become. Unless something happens in the meantime, we'll be reading the same things this time next week.

Captain Obvious

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I live in a rural location, with a halting site within two miles of my home. The local school is also 2 miles to the halting site. There is a bus service each day bringing the children that 2 miles too school despite the parents having cars. There is also an after-school service. The services are provided it's the attendance that is the issue. The children when in school are reasonably ok with other children but more accute behaviourial issues. The school has a few SNA's to work with these kids but again it still comes down to attendence and the parents realising the importance of an education

Those services aren't available everywhere. I have seen relatively successful programs in the juvenile diversion program but i think that's probably a bit late to make the change that's needed. I believe there is a carrot and stick approach needed but I don't think simple policies like what you describe will work on their own.