Google Staff stage walkout?

Faugheen

ELM327 wrote: »

This isn't on the internet, it's on the world wide web.

So you can’t distinguish between a gender imbalance and how women are being treated? Right.

ELM327 wrote: »

I have answered your question already but I shall assume you are, as you so delicately put it, "somebody whose a little bit clueless" [sic].

To expand an answer, how do you know I know nothing about it. I read an article which gives the reason behind the action. I also know staff at google who I asked about it - and the woman who replied didnt know about it. What else do I need to know, given I have the reason and the inside opinion.

So you know one woman at Google in all of their offices around the world and therefore you know everything?

If you bothered reading:

“It was reported last week that Google had fired 48 employees in the past two years, including 13 senior executives, as a result of sexual harassment allegations.”

13 senior execs sacked for sexual harassment, yet the people who are protesting are ‘snowflakes’ and deserve to be punished? How on earth can you suggest that considering senior executives have been leading what is clearly an unhealthy work environment?

Also:

“Employees will reportedly leave a note on their desk that will read: "I'm not at my desk because I'm walking out with other Googlers and contractors to protest sexual harassment, misconduct, lack of transparency, and a workplace culture that's not working for everyone."”

That sounds fair enough to me, considering what you can read above.

Meanwhile:

“Employees are demanding several key changes in how sexual misconduct allegations are dealt with at the firm, including a call to end forced arbitration, a move which would make it possible for victims to sue.”

If Google say they’re happy to put changes in place, but they’re not allowing themselves to be held accountable if it happens again, then I’d question why they put on such a defiant face in public yet don’t back up their defiance in their own T&C’s?

It sounds like they all have perfectly legitimate reasons to protest. What is wrong with them taking a stand against their employer which is, at best, slow off the mark when dealing with sexual harassment?

Give me a reason why these people are wrong to stand up for themselves?

Or are you one of those people that thinks it’s ok sexually harass women because a blind eye was turned 30 years ago and anyone who suggests otherwise is a PC snowflake?

Badly Drunk Boy

harr wrote: »

This very subject came up a few weeks back when I was speaking to a friend who works in hiring workers for various companies here and in the uk.
Recently the company he works for had the job of recruiting 150 specialist IT workers ...they did 300 interviews out those 300 16 were women and only 10 were qualified for the role.
So in the end 140 men and 10 women hired.
They were asked why such an imbalance in men and women hired for the roles.
The simple answer is not enough women looking at IT as a career.

ELM327 wrote: »

See in that scenario, equality is not hiring 75 women and 75 men, it's hiring the best 150 candidates for the jobs regardless of gender.

But did they? 16 women went for the jobs, but only 10 were qualified but all ten got the jobs. Out of the 284 men that went for the jobs, 140 got them, meaning 144 didn't. I'm sure not all of these men were qualified, but I'd guess a lot of them were.

100% of qualified women who went for the jobs got them. Even if only 1 of the 144 unsuccessful male candidates was qualified to do the job, that shows a bias to the females.

(By the way, I really don't care about this. I just wanted to make the point...)

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

This isn't about inequality or imbalance though. It's about how women are being treated in the workplace.

Seriously do people not read threads or do they find the first post that can form a narrative for them and go with it.

If you bothered to do your own research, you'd know it's much more than that.



Answer my question.

How have you formed an opinion on a situation you know nothing about?

If you refuse to answer, I'll take that as an assumption that you can't answer. It's perfectly ok to admit you can't answer it by the way, it won't make you less of a human. In fact, it'll make you human. Just somebody whose a little bit clueless.

Lol. Youse clueless.

Faugheen

Deleted User wrote: »

Lol. Youse clueless.

Douze clueless.

Jackman25

Riskymove wrote: »

Here is the staff statement in full

2 - A commitment to end pay and opportunity inequity, for example making sure there are women of color at all levels of the organization, and accountability for not meeting this commitment. This must be accompanied by transparent data on the gender, race and ethnicity compensation gap, across both level and years of industry experience, accessible to all Google and Alphabet employees and contractors. Such data must include, but not be limited limited to: information on relative promotion rates, under-leveling at hire, the handling of leaves, and inequity in project and job ladder change opportunities. The methods by which such data was collected and the techniques by which it was analyzed and aggregated must also be transparent.

Nonsense is right. Good call OP.

TheValeyard

'WHY ARE PRIVILEGED GOOGLE WORKERS WALKING OUT?'


Privileged?


What an odd choice of words

The Tetrarch

Modern day lynching, with less rope.

TheValeyard

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Modern day lynching, with less rope.

Digital rope.
Dlc pack 25 Euro.

Zulu

biko wrote: »

If there were no women in the workplace we wouldn't have this problem

Excellent point well made biko.


I wonder if this is a mass period synchronisation caused by our connectivity through technology?
Whats next, bear attacks??

B-D-P--

ELM327 wrote: »

See in that scenario, equality is not hiring 75 women and 75 men, it's hiring the best 150 candidates for the jobs regardless of gender.

Sadly this is my issue, Companies are now bending backwards to hire women and promote women up the ranks to have a gender equality.

So now, when I go for a promotion in my multinational company who's committed to 50% female management in 2020. I am instantly at a disadvantage over female who is less qualified and less suitable, because gender equality??

mikemac2

Those five demands all seem pretty reasonable

1 - An end to Forced Arbitration in cases of harassment and discrimination for all current and future employees, along with a right for every Google worker to bring a co-worker, representative, or supporter of their choosing when meeting with HR, especially when filing a harassment claim.

Especially this one. Any place I’ve worked in allow you to bring a witness to HR meetings

Why do Google have an issue with this

Redneck Culchie

Not many Irish people even working in Google in Dublin. Mostly foreigners.

listermint

ELM327 wrote: »

See in that scenario, equality is not hiring 75 women and 75 men, it's hiring the best 150 candidates for the jobs regardless of gender.

But they did that,

they didnt hire 16 women they hired 10.

This is proving that your outrage is not really based in foundation. Its merely perceived injustice.

listermint

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Sadly this is my issue, Companies are now bending backwards to hire women and promote women up the ranks to have a gender equality.

So now, when I go for a promotion in my multinational company who's committed to 50% female management in 2020. I am instantly at a disadvantage over female who is less qualified and less suitable, because gender equality??

Yes , Grrrr arggghh anger.

The posters example stated they hired 10 out of 16 women so 6 didnt make the grade.

They didnt just hire them to make up the numbers.

bloodless_coup

I pity the poor unfortunates who work in there and don't want to attach themselves to any movement or follow the sheep. They will probably be ostracized.

nullzero

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Whats the reason for this claim,

From the article its
"women are also becoming fed up with the male-dominated composition of the technology industry’s workforce — an imbalance that critics say fosters unsavoury behaviour."

You live in a male dominated world of IT.

In my software course 32males to 2 females(6 years ago)
So how would I expect my Software job to have 15 males & 15 females when females arent studying in the Ducking area.
Yes I said Ducking :P

There are people in the world who expect equality of outcome without putting it the work to become qualified in any fields.
Why? Well because equality, that's why. Who do men think they are working hard in industries that are open to men and women which women choose to not pursue and then do well out of it?
We need to address this imbalance and just give unqualified people jobs based solely upon their gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion or preference of brand of ketchup so we can all feel good about everyone getting a "fair" shake of the stick, it makes sense.

Darwin

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Sadly this is my issue, Companies are now bending backwards to hire women and promote women up the ranks to have a gender equality.

So now, when I go for a promotion in my multinational company who's committed to 50% female management in 2020. I am instantly at a disadvantage over female who is less qualified and less suitable, because gender equality??

Easy solution - at the interview tell your company you are now non-binary third gender and you are golden

TheValeyard

Zulu wrote: »

Whats next, bear attacks??

PlaneSpeeking

doylefe wrote: »

I pity the poor unfortunates who work in there and don't want to attach themselves to any movement or follow the sheep. They will probably be ostracized.

Remember the women who didn't wear black as demanded at some awards do ?

Terrifying the ****e that went on!

DeanAustin

They were right to walk out. Some of the behavior that’s been reported in Google at the top is pretty abhorrent. They aren’t the first company to have this going on but they are the most high profile. I’m betting they won’t be the last. It seems that where you make men untouchable, some of them think they have a right to have what they want even if that includes sexual harassment.

I’m no feminist and I completely disagree with the concept of equality of outcome (it should be equality of opportunity) but these women are 100% right and I hope that wherever this **** goes on, it gets called out.

JMNolan

DeanAustin wrote: »

They were right to walk out. Some of the behavior that’s been reported in Google at the top is pretty abhorrent. They aren’t the first company to have this going on but they are the most high profile. I’m betting they won’t be the last. It seems that where you make men untouchable, some of them think they have a right to have what they want even if that includes sexual harassment.

I’m no feminist and I completely disagree with the concept of equality of outcome (it should be equality of opportunity) but these women are 100% right and I hope that wherever this **** goes on, it gets called out.

What behavior is that? I always thought they were very protective of women.

DeanAustin

JMNolan wrote: »

What behavior is that? I always thought they were very protective of women.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/10/google-ceo-pichai-48-employees-fired-sexual-misconduct-181026060648146.html

JMNolan

DeanAustin wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2018/10/google-ceo-pichai-48-employees-fired-sexual-misconduct-181026060648146.html

"Google CEO Pichai says 48 employees fired for sexual misconduct."

That's the correct response, no?

Dyr

When "Systemic Racism" is in the second sentence you know the score with this lot right away. Note the demand that the diversity office be answerable to no-one but the CEO. Classic move, the NKVD would be proud

It's funny to see companies become so big that they think they can't **** up. Google embraced these vipers and they wind up being bitten

Yer man Demore must be laughing his hole off

DeanAustin

JMNolan wrote: »

"Google CEO Pichai says 48 employees fired for sexual misconduct."

That's the correct response, no?

48 senior employees do it, you’ve got to suspect that there is something wrong with the culture.

One gets a $90m pay off and you can be pretty sure there is something wrong.

Ulysses Gaze

doylefe wrote: »

I pity the poor unfortunates who work in there and don't want to attach themselves to any movement or follow the sheep. They will probably be ostracized.

I read one comment on Twitter that said plenty were working from home today in the London office...

Faugheen

DeanAustin wrote: »

JMNolan wrote: »

"Google CEO Pichai says 48 employees fired for sexual misconduct."

That's the correct response, no?

48 senior employees do it, you’ve got to suspect that there is something wrong with the culture.

One gets a $90m pay off and you can be pretty sure there is something wrong.

But yet they continue to put systems in place to stop employees sueing them if it continues?

As I said earlier, Google can put on a face of defiance all they want, but they need to back it up instead of protecting themselves when 13 senior execs decide to sexually harass women.

What does that say about Google when their first thought is to protect themselves instead of doing something about it like they claim to be doing?

Dyr

Faugheen wrote: »

But yet they continue to put systems in place to stop employees sueing them if it continues?

As I said earlier, Google can put on a face of defiance all they want, but they need to back it up instead of protecting themselves when 13 senior execs decide to sexually harass women.

What does that say about Google when their first thought is to protect themselves instead of doing something about it like they claim to be doing?

I like how you rounded up "sexual misconduct" to "sexually harass women"

Faugheen

Bambi wrote: »

Faugheen wrote: »

But yet they continue to put systems in place to stop employees sueing them if it continues?

As I said earlier, Google can put on a face of defiance all they want, but they need to back it up instead of protecting themselves when 13 senior execs decide to sexually harass women.

What does that say about Google when their first thought is to protect themselves instead of doing something about it like they claim to be doing?

I like how you rounded up "sexual misconduct" to "sexually harass women"

As opposed to?

Dyr

Faugheen wrote: »

As opposed to?

As opposed to "sexual misconduct"

Clues in the sentence, like.