Google Staff stage walkout?

ELM327

Can't find a thread on this here
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/google-employees-to-walk-out-in-protest-at-treatment-of-women-37481348.html


"Google employees to walk out in protest at treatment of women"



This is the latest in the long long line of stupid milennial BS "protests". I hope all of those snowflakes that walk off the job today get subjected to disciplinary process.


Opinions?

VinLieger

ELM327 wrote: »

Can't find a thread on this here
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/google-employees-to-walk-out-in-protest-at-treatment-of-women-37481348.html


"Google employees to walk out in protest at treatment of women"



This is the latest in the long long line of stupid milennial BS "protests". I hope all of those snowflakes that walk off the job today get subjected to disciplinary process.


Opinions?

My opinion is i think its horribly ironic that you are complaining about others being snowflakes while getting so bizzarely worked up and annoyed about something that has zero affect on you.

One eyed Jack

VinLieger wrote: »

My opinion is i think its horribly ironic that you are complaining about others being snowflakes while getting so bizzarely worked up and annoyed about something that has zero affect on you.

I didn’t read the OP as getting worked up at all? Annoying, yeah, and I can understand why, but let’s not go exaggerating like a couple of Google employees :pac:

B-D-P--

Whats the reason for this claim,

From the article its
"women are also becoming fed up with the male-dominated composition of the technology industry’s workforce — an imbalance that critics say fosters unsavoury behaviour."

You live in a male dominated world of IT.

In my software course 32males to 2 females(6 years ago)
So how would I expect my Software job to have 15 males & 15 females when females arent studying in the Ducking area.
Yes I said Ducking :P

ELM327

VinLieger wrote: »

My opinion is i think its horribly ironic that you are complaining about others being snowflakes while getting so bizzarely worked up and annoyed about something that has zero affect on you.

Que?
Who is worked up? I'm laughing at them over my morning coffee break. :cool:

Faugheen

ELM327 wrote: »

Can't find a thread on this here
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/google-employees-to-walk-out-in-protest-at-treatment-of-women-37481348.html


"Google employees to walk out in protest at treatment of women"



This is the latest in the long long line of stupid milennial BS "protests". I hope all of those snowflakes that walk off the job today get subjected to disciplinary process.


Opinions?

So you've reached a conclusion about how a company does or does not treat their staff without knowing anything about it?

How exactly have you managed that?

Also, you call them snowflakes yet you're getting outraged and very offended at them doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

Have a day off, OP.

Varik

Anyone of the Dublin staff doing it?

Faugheen

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Whats the reason for this claim,

From the article its
"women are also becoming fed up with the male-dominated composition of the technology industry’s workforce — an imbalance that critics say fosters unsavoury behaviour."

You live in a male dominated world of IT.

In my software course 32males to 2 females(6 years ago)
So how would I expect my Software job to have 15 males & 15 females when females arent studying in the Ducking area.

And the 'unsavoury behaviour' bit?

I just think it's mental that people can form an opinion on this when they haven't seen or experienced what goes on in this particular scenario.

Standman

Ah come on now, what if they have a point?

One eyed Jack

Faugheen wrote: »

So you've reached a conclusion about how a company does or does not treat their staff without knowing anything about it?

How exactly have you managed that?

Also, you call them snowflakes yet you're getting outraged and very offended at them doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

Have a day off, OP.

Where is the OP getting outraged and very offended?

Am I sounding outraged and very offended now because I asked that question?

Exactly. That is exactly how stupid it sounds.

Faugheen

Standman wrote: »

Ah come on now, what if they have a point?

Nope, they're just snowflakes getting offended over nothing.

That's because some people here are stuck in the stone ages and don't believe they should be allowed call for better treatment or equality.

Riskymove

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Whats the reason for this claim,

From the article its
"women are also becoming fed up with the male-dominated composition of the technology industry’s workforce — an imbalance that critics say fosters unsavoury behaviour."

That unfortunately is pretty poor reporting by the Indo

That quote is not why the staff are walking out. The quote is added to the article and starts with "In Silicon Valley...." - it is not a quote from Google staff

Here is some further info form other reports this morning. This walk out is about Google and how it treats staff - it has nothing to do with protesting about "being in a male-dominated workplace"

Employees are demanding several key changes in how sexual misconduct allegations are dealt with at the firm, including a call to end forced arbitration, a move which would make it possible for victims to sue.

It was reported last week that Google had fired 48 employees in the past two years, including 13 senior executives, as a result of sexual harassment allegations.

The company issued a statement in response to a New York Times report detailing allegations of sexual misconduct against the creator of Google's Android software, Andy Rubin.

Mr Rubin, who denies the allegations, received a €90m severance package in 2014, even though Google thought the allegations were credible.

Faugheen

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Faugheen wrote: »

So you've reached a conclusion about how a company does or does not treat their staff without knowing anything about it?

How exactly have you managed that?

Also, you call them snowflakes yet you're getting outraged and very offended at them doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

Have a day off, OP.

Where is the OP getting outraged and very offended?

Am I sounding outraged and very offended now because I asked that question?

Exactly. That is exactly how stupid it sounds.

The OP described it as 'stupid millennial BS', called them 'snowflakes' and hoped that they'd be on the recieving end of 'disciplinary action' in a situation the OP knows absolutely f*ck all about.

Yeah, I would say that's getting outraged. Some could call the OP a 'snowflake'.

Nobody in this thread knows anything about what's going on in this scenario but have formed an opinion on it calling it all bull****.

ELM327

Faugheen wrote: »

So you've reached a conclusion about how a company does or does not treat their staff without knowing anything about it?

How exactly have you managed that?

Also, you call them snowflakes yet you're getting outraged and very offended at them doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

Have a day off, OP.

LMAO thanks for the laugh.
Oh.. hang on.. were you serious?

Varik wrote: »

Anyone of the Dublin staff doing it?

I asked someone I know at google dublin (A woman no less ) and she hadn't heard of it.

listermint

ELM327 wrote: »

Que?
Who is worked up? I'm laughing at them over my morning coffee break. :cool:

Well you opening statement calls them names and then goes on to you asking for them to be punished.

So evidently you are annoyed.

It's not really rocket science it's the English language that you deployed.

Faugheen

ELM327 wrote: »

Faugheen wrote: »

So you've reached a conclusion about how a company does or does not treat their staff without knowing anything about it?

How exactly have you managed that?

Also, you call them snowflakes yet you're getting outraged and very offended at them doing something which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

Have a day off, OP.

LMAO thanks for the laugh.
Oh.. hang on.. were you serious?

Are you going to respond to anything or are you just going to pretend I didn't make a point to provide some lollery for you?

How have you formed an opinion about what is going on in Google when you know nothing about it?

HappyAsLarE

When will we learn - women have F all interest in geeky stuff.

biko

If there were no women in the workplace we wouldn't have this problem

Riskymove

Here is the staff statement in full

Time's up at Google.

As Google workers, we were disgusted by the details of the recent New York Times article, which provided the latest example of a culture of complicity, dismissiveness, and support for perpetrators in the face of sexual harassment, misconduct, and abuse of power. Sadly, this is part of a longstanding pattern, one further amplified by systemic racism. We know this culture well. For every story in the New York Times, there are thousands more, at every level of the company. Most have not been told.

As the recent article and the executive response make clear, these problems go all the way to the top. While Google has championed the language of diversity and inclusion, substantive actions to address systemic racism, increase equity, and stop sexual harassment have been few and far between. ENOUGH. Reassuring PR won't cut it: we need transparency, accountability, and structural change.

On Thursday, November 1st, Google employees and contractors will walk out in protest, standing up for each other, fighting for equity, and demanding real change:

1 - An end to Forced Arbitration in cases of harassment and discrimination for all current and future employees, along with a right for every Google worker to bring a co-worker, representative, or supporter of their choosing when meeting with HR, especially when filing a harassment claim.

2 - A commitment to end pay and opportunity inequity, for example making sure there are women of color at all levels of the organization, and accountability for not meeting this commitment. This must be accompanied by transparent data on the gender, race and ethnicity compensation gap, across both level and years of industry experience, accessible to all Google and Alphabet employees and contractors. Such data must include, but not be limited limited to: information on relative promotion rates, under-leveling at hire, the handling of leaves, and inequity in project and job ladder change opportunities. The methods by which such data was collected and the techniques by which it was analyzed and aggregated must also be transparent.

3 - A publicly disclosed sexual harassment transparency report, including: the number of harassment claims at Google over time and by product area; the types of claims submitted; how many victims and accused have left Google; any exit packages and their worth.

4 - A clear, uniform, globally inclusive process for reporting sexual misconduct safely and anonymously. The process today (i.e. go/saysomething) is not working, in no small part because HRs' performance is assessed by senior management and directors, forcing them to put management's interests ahead of employees reporting harassment and discrimination. The improved process should also be accessible to all: full-time employees, temporary employees, vendors, and contractors alike. Accountability, safety and an ability to report unsafe working conditions should not be dictated by employment status.

5 - Elevate the Chief Diversity Officer to answer directly to the CEO and make recommendations directly to the Board of Directors. In addition, appoint an Employee Representative to the Board. Both the CDO and the Employee Representative should help allocate permanent resources for demands 1-4 and other equity efforts, ensure accountability to these demands, and suggest propose changes when equity goals are not met.

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WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?

For every story in the New York Times, there are thousands more, at every level of the company. Many have not been told. We are part of a growing movement, and we are not going to stand for this anymore.

WHY ARE CONTRACT WORKERS INCLUDED IN THE DEMANDS?

Many temps, vendors, and contractors (TVCs) are doing business-critical work without the benefits or recognition, and several do so in the hopes of being able to convert to full-time employment. Coming forward with sexual harassment concerns or other HR complaints (salary/recognition) can significantly jeopardize conversion opportunities, let alone continued employment as a TVC. Remember, TVCs are paid hourly, have very limited benefits, and likely make significantly less than their FTE counterparts.

The power structure that inherently diminishes TVCs is rooted in the same foundation of inequality. If we want real change, we have to take action together.

WHY ARE PRIVILEGED GOOGLE WORKERS WALKING OUT?

This is part of a growing movement, not just in tech, but across the country, including teachers, fast food workers, and others who are using their strength in numbers to make real change. We know that it can be more difficult for other workers to stand up which is why we stand in solidarity with the temporary and contract workers here at Google, but we encourage everyone who feels this injustice to take collective action.

c.p.w.g.w

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Whats the reason for this claim,

From the article its
"women are also becoming fed up with the male-dominated composition of the technology industry’s workforce — an imbalance that critics say fosters unsavoury behaviour."

You live in a male dominated world of IT.

In my software course 32males to 2 females(6 years ago)
So how would I expect my Software job to have 15 males & 15 females when females arent studying in the Ducking area.
Yes I said Ducking :P

Statistically speaking men are more into working with there their hands and things, whereas a women are more people orientated. Can be backed up fairly easily.

So here in Ireland mechanics are predominantly men whereas teaches are predominantly women. The average across Europe for male teachers in 38%

padd b1975

Just dock their pay for the time spent away from their desks.
Ignore everything else as much as possible.

Confrontation is oxygen to these muppets.

RobbingBandit

PC Babies will cry about anything

Assetbacked

'murica, in essence.

Faugheen

padd b1975 wrote: »

Just dock their pay for the time spent away from their desks.
Ignore everything else as much as possible.

Confrontation is oxygen to these muppets.

Snowflake

ELM327

Faugheen wrote: »

Are you going to respond to anything or are you just going to pretend I didn't make a point to provide some lollery for you?

How have you formed an opinion about what is going on in Google when you know nothing about it?

How have you formed an opinion about what I think?
You've decided I'm angry (which I am not) so I'm sure you can answer how I decide to form opinions too

Standman

Faugheen wrote: »

Snowflake

I'm trying to get a bit of traction around the term "hailstones", in keeping with the atmospheric-moisture-based insults.

AllGunsBlazing

Google's likely response? Promise to address the issue while they gradually relocate to parts of the world where this is less likely to happen.

Call me a cynic but you don't dare mess with the bottom line of money making entities like Google. They can go where they like and there are probably many places where they will be welcomed and have their needs adequately accommodated.

harr

This very subject came up a few weeks back when I was speaking to a friend who works in hiring workers for various companies here and in the uk.
Recently the company he works for had the job of recruiting 150 specialist IT workers ...they did 300 interviews out those 300 16 were women and only 10 were qualified for the role.
So in the end 140 men and 10 women hired.
They were asked why such an imbalance in men and women hired for the roles.
The simple answer is not enough women looking at IT as a career.

ELM327

harr wrote: »

This very subject came up a few weeks back when I was speaking to a friend who works in hiring workers for various companies here and in the uk.
Recently the company he works for had the job of recruiting 150 specialist IT workers ...they did 300 interviews out those 300 16 were women and only 10 were qualified for the role.
So in the end 140 men and 10 women hired.
They were asked why such an imbalance in men and women hired for the roles.
The simple answer is not enough women looking at IT as a career.

See in that scenario, equality is not hiring 75 women and 75 men, it's hiring the best 150 candidates for the jobs regardless of gender.

Faugheen

This isn't about inequality or imbalance though. It's about how women are being treated in the workplace.

Seriously do people not read threads or do they find the first post that can form a narrative for them and go with it.

If you bothered to do your own research, you'd know it's much more than that.

ELM327 wrote: »

Faugheen wrote: »

Are you going to respond to anything or are you just going to pretend I didn't make a point to provide some lollery for you?

How have you formed an opinion about what is going on in Google when you know nothing about it?

How have you formed an opinion about what I think?
You've decided I'm angry (which I am not) so I'm sure you can answer how I decide to form opinions too

Answer my question.

How have you formed an opinion on a situation you know nothing about?

If you refuse to answer, I'll take that as an assumption that you can't answer. It's perfectly ok to admit you can't answer it by the way, it won't make you less of a human. In fact, it'll make you human. Just somebody whose a little bit clueless.

ELM327

Faugheen wrote: »

This isn't about inequality or imbalance though. It's about how women are being treated in the workplace.

Seriously do people not read threads or do they find the first post that can form a narrative for them and go with it.

If you bothered to do your own research, you'd know it's much more than that.

This isn't on the internet, it's on the world wide web.

Faugheen wrote: »

Answer my question.

How have you formed an opinion on a situation you know nothing about?

If you refuse to answer, I'll take that as an assumption that you can't answer. It's perfectly ok to admit you can't answer it by the way, it won't make you less of a human. In fact, it'll make you human. Just somebody whose a little bit clueless.

I have answered your question already but I shall assume you are, as you so delicately put it, "somebody whose a little bit clueless" [sic].


To expand an answer, how do you know I know nothing about it. I read an article which gives the reason behind the action. I also know staff at google who I asked about it - and the woman who replied didnt know about it. What else do I need to know, given I have the reason and the inside opinion.

Faugheen

ELM327 wrote: »

This isn't on the internet, it's on the world wide web.

So you can’t distinguish between a gender imbalance and how women are being treated? Right.

ELM327 wrote: »

I have answered your question already but I shall assume you are, as you so delicately put it, "somebody whose a little bit clueless" [sic].

To expand an answer, how do you know I know nothing about it. I read an article which gives the reason behind the action. I also know staff at google who I asked about it - and the woman who replied didnt know about it. What else do I need to know, given I have the reason and the inside opinion.

So you know one woman at Google in all of their offices around the world and therefore you know everything?

If you bothered reading:

“It was reported last week that Google had fired 48 employees in the past two years, including 13 senior executives, as a result of sexual harassment allegations.”

13 senior execs sacked for sexual harassment, yet the people who are protesting are ‘snowflakes’ and deserve to be punished? How on earth can you suggest that considering senior executives have been leading what is clearly an unhealthy work environment?

Also:

“Employees will reportedly leave a note on their desk that will read: "I'm not at my desk because I'm walking out with other Googlers and contractors to protest sexual harassment, misconduct, lack of transparency, and a workplace culture that's not working for everyone."”

That sounds fair enough to me, considering what you can read above.

Meanwhile:

“Employees are demanding several key changes in how sexual misconduct allegations are dealt with at the firm, including a call to end forced arbitration, a move which would make it possible for victims to sue.”

If Google say they’re happy to put changes in place, but they’re not allowing themselves to be held accountable if it happens again, then I’d question why they put on such a defiant face in public yet don’t back up their defiance in their own T&C’s?

It sounds like they all have perfectly legitimate reasons to protest. What is wrong with them taking a stand against their employer which is, at best, slow off the mark when dealing with sexual harassment?

Give me a reason why these people are wrong to stand up for themselves?

Or are you one of those people that thinks it’s ok sexually harass women because a blind eye was turned 30 years ago and anyone who suggests otherwise is a PC snowflake?

Badly Drunk Boy

harr wrote: »

This very subject came up a few weeks back when I was speaking to a friend who works in hiring workers for various companies here and in the uk.
Recently the company he works for had the job of recruiting 150 specialist IT workers ...they did 300 interviews out those 300 16 were women and only 10 were qualified for the role.
So in the end 140 men and 10 women hired.
They were asked why such an imbalance in men and women hired for the roles.
The simple answer is not enough women looking at IT as a career.

ELM327 wrote: »

See in that scenario, equality is not hiring 75 women and 75 men, it's hiring the best 150 candidates for the jobs regardless of gender.

But did they? 16 women went for the jobs, but only 10 were qualified but all ten got the jobs. Out of the 284 men that went for the jobs, 140 got them, meaning 144 didn't. I'm sure not all of these men were qualified, but I'd guess a lot of them were.

100% of qualified women who went for the jobs got them. Even if only 1 of the 144 unsuccessful male candidates was qualified to do the job, that shows a bias to the females.

(By the way, I really don't care about this. I just wanted to make the point...)

Faugheen

Faugheen wrote: »

This isn't about inequality or imbalance though. It's about how women are being treated in the workplace.

Seriously do people not read threads or do they find the first post that can form a narrative for them and go with it.

If you bothered to do your own research, you'd know it's much more than that.



Answer my question.

How have you formed an opinion on a situation you know nothing about?

If you refuse to answer, I'll take that as an assumption that you can't answer. It's perfectly ok to admit you can't answer it by the way, it won't make you less of a human. In fact, it'll make you human. Just somebody whose a little bit clueless.

Lol. Youse clueless.

Faugheen

Deleted User wrote: »

Lol. Youse clueless.

Douze clueless.

Jackman25

Riskymove wrote: »

Here is the staff statement in full

2 - A commitment to end pay and opportunity inequity, for example making sure there are women of color at all levels of the organization, and accountability for not meeting this commitment. This must be accompanied by transparent data on the gender, race and ethnicity compensation gap, across both level and years of industry experience, accessible to all Google and Alphabet employees and contractors. Such data must include, but not be limited limited to: information on relative promotion rates, under-leveling at hire, the handling of leaves, and inequity in project and job ladder change opportunities. The methods by which such data was collected and the techniques by which it was analyzed and aggregated must also be transparent.

Nonsense is right. Good call OP.

TheValeyard

'WHY ARE PRIVILEGED GOOGLE WORKERS WALKING OUT?'


Privileged?


What an odd choice of words

The Tetrarch

Modern day lynching, with less rope.

TheValeyard

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Modern day lynching, with less rope.

Digital rope.
Dlc pack 25 Euro.

Zulu

biko wrote: »

If there were no women in the workplace we wouldn't have this problem

Excellent point well made biko.


I wonder if this is a mass period synchronisation caused by our connectivity through technology?
Whats next, bear attacks??

B-D-P--

ELM327 wrote: »

See in that scenario, equality is not hiring 75 women and 75 men, it's hiring the best 150 candidates for the jobs regardless of gender.

Sadly this is my issue, Companies are now bending backwards to hire women and promote women up the ranks to have a gender equality.

So now, when I go for a promotion in my multinational company who's committed to 50% female management in 2020. I am instantly at a disadvantage over female who is less qualified and less suitable, because gender equality??

mikemac2

Those five demands all seem pretty reasonable

1 - An end to Forced Arbitration in cases of harassment and discrimination for all current and future employees, along with a right for every Google worker to bring a co-worker, representative, or supporter of their choosing when meeting with HR, especially when filing a harassment claim.

Especially this one. Any place I’ve worked in allow you to bring a witness to HR meetings

Why do Google have an issue with this

Redneck Culchie

Not many Irish people even working in Google in Dublin. Mostly foreigners.

listermint

ELM327 wrote: »

See in that scenario, equality is not hiring 75 women and 75 men, it's hiring the best 150 candidates for the jobs regardless of gender.

But they did that,

they didnt hire 16 women they hired 10.

This is proving that your outrage is not really based in foundation. Its merely perceived injustice.

listermint

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Sadly this is my issue, Companies are now bending backwards to hire women and promote women up the ranks to have a gender equality.

So now, when I go for a promotion in my multinational company who's committed to 50% female management in 2020. I am instantly at a disadvantage over female who is less qualified and less suitable, because gender equality??

Yes , Grrrr arggghh anger.

The posters example stated they hired 10 out of 16 women so 6 didnt make the grade.

They didnt just hire them to make up the numbers.

bloodless_coup

I pity the poor unfortunates who work in there and don't want to attach themselves to any movement or follow the sheep. They will probably be ostracized.

nullzero

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Whats the reason for this claim,

From the article its
"women are also becoming fed up with the male-dominated composition of the technology industry’s workforce — an imbalance that critics say fosters unsavoury behaviour."

You live in a male dominated world of IT.

In my software course 32males to 2 females(6 years ago)
So how would I expect my Software job to have 15 males & 15 females when females arent studying in the Ducking area.
Yes I said Ducking :P

There are people in the world who expect equality of outcome without putting it the work to become qualified in any fields.
Why? Well because equality, that's why. Who do men think they are working hard in industries that are open to men and women which women choose to not pursue and then do well out of it?
We need to address this imbalance and just give unqualified people jobs based solely upon their gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion or preference of brand of ketchup so we can all feel good about everyone getting a "fair" shake of the stick, it makes sense.

Darwin

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Sadly this is my issue, Companies are now bending backwards to hire women and promote women up the ranks to have a gender equality.

So now, when I go for a promotion in my multinational company who's committed to 50% female management in 2020. I am instantly at a disadvantage over female who is less qualified and less suitable, because gender equality??

Easy solution - at the interview tell your company you are now non-binary third gender and you are golden

TheValeyard

Zulu wrote: »

Whats next, bear attacks??

PlaneSpeeking

doylefe wrote: »

I pity the poor unfortunates who work in there and don't want to attach themselves to any movement or follow the sheep. They will probably be ostracized.

Remember the women who didn't wear black as demanded at some awards do ?

Terrifying the ****e that went on!

DeanAustin

They were right to walk out. Some of the behavior that’s been reported in Google at the top is pretty abhorrent. They aren’t the first company to have this going on but they are the most high profile. I’m betting they won’t be the last. It seems that where you make men untouchable, some of them think they have a right to have what they want even if that includes sexual harassment.

I’m no feminist and I completely disagree with the concept of equality of outcome (it should be equality of opportunity) but these women are 100% right and I hope that wherever this **** goes on, it gets called out.