Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV

KevinCavan

The recent models of the Outlander look like amazing machines. Nice looking vehicles with hybrid options. They seem like good value too.

pwurple

Yes, we have one since February. Very useful family vehicle. Kids, bikes, their friends, dog etc. ABout 50k electric range. We primarily use it as an EV, put our second fill of petrol ever into it last week.

KevinCavan

pwurple wrote: »

Yes, we have one since February. Very useful family vehicle. Kids, bikes, their friends, dog etc. ABout 50k electric range. We primarily use it as an EV, put our second fill of petrol ever into it last week.

What’s it like to park? Is it very big for say your average car park?

gizmo555

KevinCavan wrote: »

What’s it like to park? Is it very big for say your average car park?

It's the first car I've had with a rear view camera. This makes it much easier for me to park than any other car I've ever driven, regardless of size.

pwurple

KevinCavan wrote: »

What’s it like to park? Is it very big for say your average car park?

Seems fine, cannot think of any parking problem we had, and we are city drivers, used to parallel parking etc. I drove a van for years, no center mirror even in those with the bulkhead. Outlander has massive mirrors, plus central one and rear camera, it’s a piece of piss compared to a van.

Still though, asking that question makes me think you are a nervous Parker. It’s a big vehicle alright.

KevinCavan

pwurple wrote: »

Seems fine, cannot think of any parking problem we had, and we are city drivers, used to parallel parking etc. I drove a van for years, no center mirror even in those with the bulkhead. Outlander has massive mirrors, plus central one and rear camera, it’s a piece of piss compared to a van.

Still though, asking that question makes me think you are a nervous Parker. It’s a big vehicle alright.

I’ve only ever had saloon cars up to now, so was thinking it would be a step up regarding parking. I’m sure I’d get used to it.

whacker00

Wondering could anyone provide some advice or a steer on our shortlist .....

We are in the process of buying and are down to a couple of options

2015 Gx4h with 53k miles or 2016 gx3h+ 35k miles

Slight difference in the price but both within budget

My thinking is to go with the newer model as the battery warranty is extended to 8 years and the standard 100k 5 year for everything else, alot less mileage and it really is a nicer machine. However the 2015 is also a really nice car and it It does have all the extra kit ????

The 2016 + has full leather but I'm not sure does it have electric heater or app connectivity. No sat nav

Decisions decisions

biko

I have driven both and went with the 4h

iniall

whacker00 wrote: »

Wondering could anyone provide some advice or a steer on our shortlist .....

We are in the process of buying and are down to a couple of options

2015 Gx4h with 53k miles or 2016 gx3h+ 35k miles

Slight difference in the price but both within budget

My thinking is to go with the newer model as the battery warranty is extended to 8 years and the standard 100k 5 year for everything else, alot less mileage and it really is a nicer machine. However the 2015 is also a really nice car and it It does have all the extra kit ????

The 2016 + has full leather but I'm not sure does it have electric heater or app connectivity. No sat nav

Decisions decisions

I've had a 2016 3h since July and am really enjoying it. The only thing I really miss from a 4h is the remote app that would allow me to set a timer for charging, pre-heat the seats, etc. Other than that, I have Google/Apple Maps on my phone, so the lack of satnav isn't an issue.

The 2016 model looks better, right??

sparrowcar

iniall wrote: »

I've had a 2016 3h since July and am really enjoying it. The only thing I really miss from a 4h is the remote app that would allow me to set a timer for charging, pre-heat the seats, etc. Other than that, I have Google/Apple Maps on my phone, so the lack of satnav isn't an issue.

The 2016 model looks better, right??

I have a 2015 GX4H and the 2016 model was in budget but personally I'm not mad on the chrome facelift of the 16 model so went with the 15. Also the preheat timer is amazing on these recent colder fogged up mornings.

whacker00

@iniall , I really do like the facelift , and the particular one we are looking at is black which goes really well with the nicer wheels

@sparrowcar , that's the really tempting thing, I think the heater and app wpuld be great

I need to check with the dealer again as the model we looked at was Gx3h+ and the H is for the heater I think but I'm not sure if it's actually the case

If it had the heater is a nice compromise between the two specs

numorouno

pwurple wrote: »

ABout 50k electric range.

Is this real world driving? I was considering one but i was talking to a chap recently who had a 151 he imported and said it's more like 20k or so which wouldn't really work for me

n97 mini

numorouno wrote: »

Is this real world driving? I was considering one but i was talking to a chap recently who had a 151 he imported and said it's more like 20k or so which wouldn't really work for me

I think it's more like 20 miles (32km).

iniall

numorouno wrote: »

Is this real world driving? I was considering one but i was talking to a chap recently who had a 151 he imported and said it's more like 20k or so which wouldn't really work for me

The guessometer can show anywhere between about 40 and 58km after a full charge. I'd say I usually get around 40-45km of full electric, depending on driving conditions.

gizmo555

whacker00 wrote: »

@sparrowcar , that's the really tempting thing, I think the heater and app wpuld be great.

Make sure you can get the app to work on your phone before you buy the car then. I installed it from the Google Play Store on a new Android phone recently and could not get it to work. I saw a lot of negative comments from other app users who said they had the same experience.

Fortunately for me, I have an Android tablet with an older version on it that still works. But it is annoying that no matter what I do, I can't get it going on my phone.

whacker00

gizmo555 wrote: »

Make sure you can get the app to work on your phone before you buy the car then. I installed it from the Google Play Store on a new Android phone recently and could not get it to work. I saw a lot of negative comments from other app users who said they had the same experience.

Fortunately for me, I have an Android tablet with an older version on it that still works. But it is annoying that no matter what I do, I can't get it going on my phone.

Do you know if the pre-heat function is controlled via the app only ?

slicedpanman

whacker00 wrote: »

gizmo555 wrote: »

Make sure you can get the app to work on your phone before you buy the car then. I installed it from the Google Play Store on a new Android phone recently and could not get it to work. I saw a lot of negative comments from other app users who said they had the same experience.

Fortunately for me, I have an Android tablet with an older version on it that still works. But it is annoying that no matter what I do, I can't get it going on my phone.

Do you know if the pre-heat function is controlled via the app only ?

Defo make sure on the app if you are on Android. There are 3 official versions of the app in the market... All depends on the variant you buy. 2 versions work with recent Android versions and look to be updated fairly ok. The 3rd version is old and only works on a very old version of Android.

I almost bought a facelift version of a 3h+ but that only worked with the old app. Also in the 3h+ there is no centre console screen where you can set timers... So it ended my interest.

The 4h has the app and the console available for setting charge and preheat timers... If that's important to you better be safe and go for the 4h and not rely on the app

In the end I got an ampera - no app with that but you can use start a preheat using the key fob, a better solution imho

gizmo555

whacker00 wrote: »

Do you know if the pre-heat function is controlled via the app only ?

No, it can be set to start by timer. But there's a design flaw to this which results in the main use I make of the app.

You can also set a charging timer so, even if plugged into the chargepoint, the car won't begin charging until the set time. I use this to prevent the car from starting to charge until after the night rate electricity tariff is in effect - 11pm at this time of year.

But if you use the charging timer and the pre-heat timer, the pre-heating takes its energy from the battery only, not from the chargepoint, even though it's plugged in. This can take up to 10% off the battery charge level.

So, what I do is set the charging timer, plug in the chargepoint, and after 11pm using the app from inside my house, override the charging timer setting and start the charging. This results in the charging being done at the night rate, but in the morning the pre-heat takes its energy from the chargepoint and not the battery

whacker00

Thanks for all the advice nuggets and input here over the last few days. Also some great information in other threads

We pulled the trigger on 2016 version and collecting tomorrow - can't wait

We are not eligible for the home charger due to not having the car parked on a driveway. We are in an estate with the car directly outside the house so will use the granny charging for the time being until I research options.

We also spoke to SEAI and they have mentioned with the increases in demand there will need to be solutions in this area. If you look at all the new estates around the north part of Dublin for example , the majority are shared parking / on street solutions which would not be grand eligible

I might see what the management companies appetite for a couple of light pole charging stationswould be , like in DLR area of Dublin

n97 mini

whacker00 wrote: »

We also spoke to SEAI and they have mentioned with the increases in demand there will need to be solutions in this area. If you look at all the new estates around the north part of Dublin for example , the majority are shared parking / on street solutions which would not be grand eligible

That's good to know. It's not just a Dublin problem either, it's all over the country. In estates or apartment blocks where parking is communal, but there is at least one space for every unit it would be very simple to compel builders to number the spaces and run ducts out from the appropriate location.

whacker00

n97 mini wrote: »

That's good to know. It's not just a Dublin problem either, it's all over the country. In estates or apartment blocks where parking is communal, but there is at least one space for every unit it would be very simple to compel builders to number the spaces and run ducts out from the appropriate location.

The person we spoke to even asked us to take photos of our parking situation and they will add it to the file for the purpose of review and expansion of the scheme in future. It seemed like they may be in a proactive mindset here

vectra

How would one fare out with one of these but not able to install a dedicated charging point at home?
ie
House on street with footpath between house and road.

unkel

vectra wrote: »

How would one fare out with one of these but not able to install a dedicated charging point at home?
ie
House on street with footpath between house and road.

That won't work. You'd open yourself up for liability in case someone trips over your cable.

If you have a dedicated parking space, you could have an electrician install a cable under the public foopath with a charging pedestal at your private parking space. Others like liamog on here have successfully done it. It ain't cheap though. Low 4 figure sum for labour I'd say.

whacker00

vectra wrote: »

How would one fare out with one of these but not able to install a dedicated charging point at home?
ie
House on street with footpath between house and road.

As I mentioned above we are in this scenario, it hasnt at all put us off buying. The footpath outside our house is very low traffic and the car will be directly outside the door so maybe a cable and protection mat might work. I'm going to research and maybe ask the management company for permission to cut a small channel in the pathway. There are a number of EV and PHEV in the estate so we will also look at what they have done.

biko

Tbh, it depends on if you bought the PHEV to get the most out of the fuel savings, or if you're happy just charging it a public points a couple times a week and still run on petrol quite a bit.
Also check with work if you can charge during day at a regular outlet.

rolion

whacker00 wrote: »

Thanks for all the advice nuggets and input here over the last few days. Also some great information in other threads

We pulled the trigger on 2016 version and collecting tomorrow - in

Well...can you share the excitement please !?

whacker00

rolion wrote: »

Well...can you share the excitement please !?

Nearly two weeks in and absolutely loving every minute of it

Its really comfortable, perfect for the family and we absolutely love driving it in EV whenever possible as its such a smooth drive and so quiet .we have not been worried about economy etc for the first couple of weeks and have been really just enjoying getting used to the car

First fill of the tank today and from 60km remaining on the trip(no batt) it cost €53 to fill. All our city driving is always on battery so it will be a great car for our family. Also have a cross-country journey next week so it will be interesting to see how it performs on the motorway

My wife had never driven an automatic and she has found it really easy to get used to and also loves the car which is a big plus as initially she had been unsure

Esb card received only a week after applying and we have charged a couple of times on the public network, used a fast charger today 20mins and back to 80% really great setup. Charging with the granny cable through the window at home which is a little awkward but hopefully not for long until the management company review our proposal to install a charging unit

duploelabs

whacker00 wrote: »

Nearly two weeks in and absolutely loving every minute of it

Its really comfortable, perfect for the family and we absolutely love driving it in EV whenever possible as its such a smooth drive and so quiet .we have not been worried about economy etc for the first couple of weeks and have been really just enjoying getting used to the car

First fill of the tank today and from 60km remaining on the trip(no batt) it cost €53 to fill. All our city driving is always on battery so it will be a great car for our family. Also have a cross-country journey next week so it will be interesting to see how it performs on the motorway

My wife had never driven an automatic and she has found it really easy to get used to and also loves the car which is a big plus as initially she had been unsure

Esb card received only a week after applying and we have charged a couple of times on the public network, used a fast charger today 20mins and back to 80% really great setup. Charging with the granny cable through the window at home which is a little awkward but hopefully not for long until the management company review our proposal to install a charging unit

Are you in a private estate? Took one for a test drive today and was told that as I was in a private estate and the cable would have to run over the pavement to my parking space (directly outside my house) that it would invalidate my grant for a home charger

KCross

duploelabs wrote: »

Are you in a private estate? Took one for a test drive today and was told that as I was in a private estate and the cable would have to run over the pavement to my parking space (directly outside my house) that it would invalidate my grant for a home charger

They are correct. If you only have on street parking you wont get the home charge point grant.

The EV must be parked on an off-street parking location associated with the home and the charger must be connected back to the fuse board of the home of the applicant.

https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/

pwurple

numorouno wrote: »

Is this real world driving? I was considering one but i was talking to a chap recently who had a 151 he imported and said it's more like 20k or so which wouldn't really work for me

We drive a real EV as well, the last 4 years, so yes, this is real range. We generally drive around the city with a lot of regen on, don't use the heating much etc.

duploelabs

KCross wrote: »

They are correct. If you only have on street parking you wont get the home charge point grant.

The EV must be parked on an off-street parking location associated with the home and the charger must be connected back to the fuse board of the home of the applicant.

https://www.seai.ie/grants/electric-vehicle-grants/electric-vehicle-home-charger-grant/

Well I am aware of what's written on their website, however according to my insurance company, as it's a private parking space in a private estate it counts as off-street parking, hence I asked if the seai grants took this interpretation

KCross

duploelabs wrote: »

Well I am aware of what's written on their website, however according to my insurance company, as it's a private parking space in a private estate it counts as off-street parking, hence I asked if the seai grants took this interpretation

Is the cable going to be crossing a footpath?
If yes, they will say no.

whacker00

duploelabs wrote: »

Are you in a private estate? Took one for a test drive today and was told that as I was in a private estate and the cable would have to run over the pavement to my parking space (directly outside my house) that it would invalidate my grant for a home charger

I am in a private estate which is run by a management company. I have sent a proposal to them and permission to install a unit at the kerbside but for now home charging is via a cable trailing across a path. I cover the cable to avoid a trip hazard. We are not grant eligible but spoke to SEAI on a number of occasions and they have mentioned there will need to be a solution for people in appartment and town house areas so also asked for some photos which helps build a profile of the people being turned down applications

The future is going to be EV so there will need to be some progression here in the coming years

whacker00

KCross wrote: »

Is the cable going to be crossing a footpath?
If yes, they will say no.

Footpath is the key one here for SEAI .. public liability etc

whacker00

iniall wrote: »

The guessometer can show anywhere between about 40 and 58km after a full charge. I'd say I usually get around 40-45km of full electric, depending on driving conditions.

Very similar figures here in the early days too , 40-45 with mixed driving conditions

duploelabs

whacker00 wrote: »

Footpath is the key one here for SEAI .. public liability etc

But its not public property, I'll have to ask someone legal to see if there case history of this

whacker00

duploelabs wrote: »

But its not public property, I'll have to ask someone legal to see if there case history of this

Ah ok , your case may be different. Our spaces are not designated and as part of house purchase it did not have a specific space assigned. The pathway that crosses our house is also public

slave1

A place does not need to be public property in order for public liability to kick in, think some posts here are interchanging these terms in error

KCross

duploelabs wrote: »

But its not public property, I'll have to ask someone legal to see if there case history of this

Its a private housing estate isnt it? Therefore the footpath is communal therefore public in that regard.
i.e. If someone walks along the footpath in front of your house do you think you can sue them for trespass.... my bet is not?

The grant only applies if the car is in the driveway on your private land.

duploelabs

KCross wrote: »

Its a private housing estate isnt it? Therefore the footpath is communal therefore public in that regard.
i.e. If someone walks along the footpath in front of your house do you think you can sue them for trespass.... my bet is not?

The grant only applies if the car is in the driveway on your private land.

We've moved on from the grant.

This was a question concerning the cable stretch across a pavement that I part own (ie all the houses on the estate own a share in the communal land and its private) and if that cable laid over the pavement will leave me liable.

And yes, people who are not resident in the estate can be deemed as trespassers

KCross

duploelabs wrote: »

We've moved on from the grant.

This was a question concerning the cable stretch across a pavement that I part own (ie all the houses on the estate own a share in the communal land and its private) and if that cable laid over the pavement will leave me liable.

And yes, people who are not resident in the estate can be deemed as trespassers

Private to me would mean its one folio number in the land registry and clear boundaries laid out. You are describing communal areas and shares.... doesnt sound like private to me.

You'd probably need a solicitor to say for sure.

In any case, an electrical cable strewn across a footpath, that others have the right to use, is of course going to open you to liability if someone trips on it. People have sued for alot less in this country!

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

The grant only applies if the car is in the driveway on your private land.

False.


I got the grant for my charger install in a managed complex, where it is installed on a pedestal in my charging space, wired across (underneath) a footpath, and back to my meter (note, not fusebox)


All of this was clearly shown in the photos I included with my grant application.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

That won't work. You'd open yourself up for liability in case someone trips over your cable.

If you have a dedicated parking space, you could have an electrician install a cable under the public foopath with a charging pedestal at your private parking space. Others like liamog on here have successfully done it. It ain't cheap though. Low 4 figure sum for labour I'd say.

I did too.
Cable under footpath from meter to charging pedestal.
Cost me ~€1100 after the grant but the chap was there the whole day and that included the 32a charger, and pedestal, and bump stop, and all the digging, drilling etc.



Had gotten prior approval from my OMC for the work.

Edited to add: Running a granny cable across a public path is asking for trouble if you do it consistently. A once off emergency is one thing but that's not sustainable as a form of charging. Get the charger installed in your parking space.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

False.


I got the grant for my charger install in a managed complex, where it is installed on a pedestal in my charging space, wired across (underneath) a footpath, and back to my meter (note, not fusebox)


All of this was clearly shown in the photos I included with my grant application.

I dont think its false.
As I said here.

Clearly yours is fine because its all hidden and didnt require digging up a public footpath and its your dedicated space, so yours meets the "off-street private parking" requirement.


I think primarily what they want is to only target installs where the charge point can be safely used on private property. They dont want to be supporting the install of charge points where someone could trip on a cable or public property is being dug up or cables strewn across public footpaths.


duploelabs isnt the same scenario as you so I dont think they will allow the grant. He could try. The worst they will say is no.

@duploelabs, could you agree with your communal neighbours to dig the footpath and install a pedestal at your parking space or is the layout not suitable for a pedestal at the car space itself?

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

I dont think its false.
As I said here.

Clearly yours is fine because its all hidden and didnt require digging up a public footpath and its your dedicated space, so yours meets the "off-street private parking" requirement.


I think primarily what they want is to only target installs where the charge point can be safely used on private property. They dont want to be supporting the install of charge points where someone could trip on a cable or public property is being dug up or cables strewn across public footpaths.


duploelabs isnt the same scenario as you so I dont think they will allow the grant. He could try. They worst they will say is no.

But they literally had to dig up the footpath to install the wiring?
I applied not sure if I would get it or not to be honest, reading the wording on the site it's a little ambiguous.


However it is not correct to say you have to have your own driveway, as I do not, yet I got the grant.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

But they literally had to dig up the footpath to install the wiring?
I applied not sure if I would get it or not to be honest, reading the wording on the site it's a little ambiguous.


However it is not correct to say you have to have your own driveway, as I do not, yet I got the grant.

ok, I apologise for the use of the word "driveway"!

magentis

How are these outlander batteries holding up,most important.Lots of people with issues throughout the world.It initially appeared to be just warmer Countries,but now it looks like there is lots of outlander battery problems.

Has anyone had any joy with a battery replacement from Mitsubishi?

duploelabs

magentis wrote: »

How are these outlander batteries holding up,most important.Lots of people with issues throughout the world.It initially appeared to be just warmer Countries,but now it looks like there is lots of outlander battery problems.

Has anyone had any joy with a battery replacement from Mitsubishi?

You can swap modules of the battery. Don't know if you can do it with the <2019 model

biko

There were issues in the early times and there may have have been a recall about it in 2013 or so.
Are you asking about particular model year?
Is there a problem with yours?

whacker00

ELM327 wrote: »

I did too.
Cable under footpath from meter to charging pedestal.
Cost me ~€1100 after the grant but the chap was there the whole day and that included the 32a charger, and pedestal, and bump stop, and all the digging, drilling etc.



Had gotten prior approval from my OMC for the work.

Edited to add: Running a granny cable across a public path is asking for trouble if you do it consistently. A once off emergency is one thing but that's not sustainable as a form of charging. Get the charger installed in your parking space.

Interesting @Elm327 , this is the exact road I will be going down regarding the works etc. Currently awaiting management company sign off but I may present the details and apply for the grant to see if it can qualify - As mentioned in previous posts my initial phone conversation was a no but I don't think the person I spoke with realised I will install a full pedestal unit at the kerb and dig up the path for cable routing. They may have assumed a tethered unit trailing accross the path. Is the position you installed the unit a designated parking location for your property ?

ELM327

whacker00 wrote: »

Interesting @Elm327 , this is the exact road I will be going down regarding the works etc. Currently awaiting management company sign off but I may present the details and apply for the grant to see if it can qualify - As mentioned in previous posts my initial phone conversation was a no but I don't think the person I spoke with realised I will install a full pedestal unit at the kerb and dig up the path for cable routing. They may have assumed a tethered unit trailing accross the path. Is the position you installed the unit a designated parking location for your property ?

Yes, it is my designated parking spot, linked to the property.


I'd get the management company on side before applying for the grant. Once you apply for the grant you have 6 months max timeframe to sort the install (which proved a bit of an issue in my case as I specifically wanted a 32a tethered unit on a specific pedestal, so had to be ordered in)


And it's not a standard install, with all the digging and wiring that has to be laid.