Jamal Khashoggi killed in Saudi embassy.

wexie

Sin City wrote: »

Looks like he died in a fist fight
who brings a bone saw to a fist fight

Maybe they had one at the consulate, you know, for emergencies?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Zebra3 wrote: »

LOL galore.

You even admit free market capitalism pretty much doesn’t exist.

It’s either free market capitalism or it’s not.

We live in heavily regulated economies.

Try to open a supermarket tomorrow.

Best of luck to you.

Try to open a telecommunications company tomorrow.

Wonder how that will go?

Sweden. Hmm. Try open up an off license over there.

Free market and free trade are nothing but terms of propaganda.

How can people not like something that’s free?

You might wanna double check who the idiot is, but I doubt you could possibly work it out.

Hard to tell from this if you are far left or an economic libertarian.

Sin City

wexie wrote: »

Maybe they had one at the consulate, you know, for emergencies?

For carving the turkey or journalists alike

JohnMc1

mcmoustache wrote: »

Every US president over the last 100 years has propped up these cnuts and they should be ashamed of themselves.


Choosing the saudis over the Iranians has been one of the many stupid decisions that US foreign policy has made. It's just mad that the west supports the Saudis in that region when they are such a barbaric society. They're just a bunch of primitive folk with money.

We should leave the Middle east to their own devices and let nature take its course.

markodaly

Zebra3 wrote: »

LOL galore.

You even admit free market capitalism pretty much doesn’t exist.

It’s either free market capitalism or it’s not.

We live in heavily regulated economies.

Try to open a supermarket tomorrow.

Best of luck to you.

Try to open a telecommunications company tomorrow.

Wonder how that will go?

Sweden. Hmm. Try open up an off license over there.

Free market and free trade are nothing but terms of propaganda.

How can people not like something that’s free?

You might wanna double check who the idiot is, but I doubt you could possibly work it out.

Your quite an angry person.

I guess in the next post you will start giving out about neo-liberal capitalism... yet deny that we have a free market economy in the EU... Hmmm, I guess the world is too complicated for you.

Run along to your next anti-Israel march. You may get your arse handed to you if you stick around here too long.

markodaly

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Hard to tell from this if you are far left or an economic libertarian.

He is a new-age communist

ED E

Wikileaks posted some fierce graphic images of the supposed body then retracted.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1053617158956179456

ressem

Should the embassy on Fitzwilliam Sq / backing on to Lad Lane have government managed cameras installed to record the entrances and exits, to discourage similar treatment being inflicted to visitors or staff at that embassy?

I'm sure the Irish government and senior officials (regardless of political party membership, can't see any opposition being different) prefer the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" state of deniability.

Not 24/7 monitored, but a record kept?
Will probably result in a reciprocal action, but that's likely already present in Riyadh.

Zebra3

markodaly wrote: »

Your quite an angry person.

I guess in the next post you will start giving out about neo-liberal capitalism... yet deny that we have a free market economy in the EU... Hmmm, I guess the world is too complicated for you.

Run along to your next anti-Israel march. You may get your arse handed to you if you stick around here too long.

Afraid to continue the debate because you are in the wrong so you try to retort to being a smart arse.

Well played.

Zebra3

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Hard to tell from this if you are far left or an economic libertarian.

Of course it's hard to tell because my political stance has nothing to do with discussing what the term "free market" means.

ressem

markodaly wrote: »

Your quite an angry person.

I guess in the next post you will start giving out about neo-liberal capitalism... yet deny that we have a free market economy in the EU... Hmmm, I guess the world is too complicated for you.

No, he's being pedantically correct. Europe, Ireland, Sweden have lightly regulated market capitalism. As in "These are the minimum standards, pass them and you are allowed to attempt to sell them, at a price that you choose."

Free-market capitalism is supposed to be capitalism with zero regulations and zero government oversight / restriction, presumably zero tax unless that's a direct payment for a service used such as a bridge toll.

So when politicians say that a country is a free market, looking at the dictionary definition they are incorrect. The EU can be a low-regulation market for some areas of business though.

goat2

According to latest news ,
Trump believes that he died in a fist fight.
He had been visiting the embassy to collect papers to end his existing marriage and to get married to the lady that waited outside for him.
She waited about 10 hours for him to come out of Consulate, and then got worried.

feargale

Hector Savage wrote: »

Sickening the way Trump is trying to downplay it, I would have expected him to at least have the courage to call it out.

Ah no. Donald is letting the Saudis carry out their investigation, unlike J. Edgar Hoover who made the mistake of not letting Al Capone carry out an investigation of the Valentine's Day massacre.

The oil will continue to flow. Praise the Lord.

wexie

ressem wrote: »

Should the embassy on Fitzwilliam Sq / backing on to Lad Lane have government managed cameras installed to record the entrances and exits, to discourage similar treatment being inflicted to visitors or staff at that embassy?

I'm sure the Irish government and senior officials (regardless of political party membership, can't see any opposition being different) prefer the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" state of deniability.

Not 24/7 monitored, but a record kept?
Will probably result in a reciprocal action, but that's likely already present in Riyadh.

I wouldn't see any harm in that to be honest, if diplomats are doing what they're supposed to be doing then they shouldn't either.

Infini

My guess is that some Saudi's thought they could get away with it since the embassy was in Turkey but definately underestimated both the reaction or that they could just get away with it like that. It's obvious nothing severe will happen to Saudi Arabia it's able to leverage its Oil supply to strongarm other countries to some degree but let's not underestimate the reaction either. Killing someone in an embassy DOES still draw alot of uncomfortable attention on the Royal Family expecially since the Crown Prince is trying to show a "progressive face" to the world and something like this can severely dent that image he's trying to show.

Most likely some underling(s) will be thrown under the bus to save face but there's no doubt something like this is most certainly not something they can afford to let happen again. Not only was it ridiculously sloppy to do something like this but the negative attention is something that they don't want a repeat of since doing something so stupid a 2nd time would likely have much more significant consequences.

wexie

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copeyhagen

crazy pictures doing the rounds on watsapp of body parts etc.

real or fake?!

wexie

copeyhagen wrote: »

crazy pictures doing the rounds on watsapp of body parts etc.

real or fake?!

Dunno, haven't seen any of them (nor would I want to) but I think that if a body (or parts thereof) was found it'd have been all over the media

(so fake most likely)

goat2

feargale wrote: »

Ah no. Donald is letting the Saudis carry out their investigation, unlike J. Edgar Hoover who made the mistake of not letting Al Capone carry out an investigation of the Valentine's Day massacre.

The oil will continue to flow. Praise the Lord.

Every time the Donald speak of the murder, he always have to throw in the line
We are making over a billion dollars, cannot rock the boat

AudreyHepburn

Sky News reporting his remains have been found and their condition suggests the rumors about what was done to him are sadly true.

They also say he was found in the garden of a house belonging to the Saudi Consul General in Istanbul.

Just when you think these people can’t get any worse.

A truly horrific end and one that deserves the strongest possible punishment.

RIP Jamal Khashoggi

Ipso

feargale wrote: »

Ah no. Donald is letting the Saudis carry out their investigation, unlike J. Edgar Hoover who made the mistake of not letting Al Capone carry out an investigation of the Valentine's Day massacre.

The oil will continue to flow. Praise the Lord.

Iranian sanctions are supposed to kick in soo, which gives the Saudis the upper hand. Not that we would have expected much against them anyway, from anyone.

alaimacerc

goat2 wrote: »

Every time the Donald speak of the murder, he always have to throw in the line
We are making over a billion dollars, cannot rock the boat

If they're guilty, they'll be severely punished!

... but we'll let them decide if they're actually guilty. And even if so, let them decide the "punishment".

alaimacerc

Zebra3 wrote: »

Stone the odd woman to death too but sure no harm, eh?

They're both pretty enthusiastic users of the death penalty. In Iran's case, that's in significant part due to them going a bit Daily Mail/South American Death Squad on drug trafficking, which is a significant issue in that region.

In SA, the total rate's not as high, but the list of capital offences is... colourful. Death sentences for witchcraft have been carried out in recent years.

Gatling

goat2 wrote: »

Trump has just said , they did a bad job covering it up,

Is he saying that, it is a pity they got caught, body found

That's exactly what he's saying .

Should have done a Putin poisoned him and blamed a conspiracy against Saudi and saudiphobia.

It's worked for Putin numerous times but no they went full retard and ended up where they are now ,

Not that much will actually change unfortunately

alaimacerc

goat2 wrote: »

Trump has just said , they did a bad job covering it up,

Is he saying that, it is a pity they got caught, body found

Very annoying when he's busy trying to avoid losing in the midterms by appealing to xenophobic panic about a few Central American refugees. (Paid by Soros! Or something.)

Tricky to reconcile the narratives. On the one hand running on a ticket of naked xenophobia, with "middle-east guys" as the ultimate hate-figure. On the other... have to keep curtsying to the Saudis, getting big tacky gold medals, selling them billions of arms, and going to war with any given Muslim country except the one where 95% of the 9/11 conspirators came from.

You bet he's wishing they'd managed a better cover-up.

Hande hoche!

The Germans seem to be blocking future arms deals. The US as mentioned and the Canadians are still flogging billions worth of weapons.

Gatling

Hande hoche! wrote: »

The Germans seem to be blocking future arms deals. The US as mentioned and the Canadians are still flogging billions worth of weapons.

Germany will put off a sale until this dies down , even if the US and EU states completely stop all sales to Saudi others will just step in and gladly continue business with them,
If anything sales of weapons could be used to keep the Saudis in line using caveats for future transactions and support

Franz Von Peppercorn

alaimacerc wrote: »

Very annoying when he's busy trying to avoid losing in the midterms by appealing to xenophobic panic about a few Central American refugees. (Paid by Soros! Or something.)

Tricky to reconcile the narratives. On the one hand running on a ticket of naked xenophobia, with "middle-east guys" as the ultimate hate-figure. On the other... have to keep curtsying to the Saudis, getting big tacky gold medals, selling them billions of arms, and going to war with any given Muslim country except the one where 95% of the 9/11 conspirators came from.

You bet he's wishing they'd managed a better cover-up.

You know that trump inherited most of those wars right?

The only reason Yemen is getting the minuscule coverage it is now getting is because of this killing. Expect it to die down soon.

Ipso

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You know that trump inherited most of those wars right?

The only reason Yemen is getting the minuscule coverage it is now getting is because of this killing. Expect it to die down soon.

He inherited it and escalated it, and publically said he doesn't want to lose arms sales to the Saudis that they then use in this war.
So more of the same and then some.

As mentioned above, there is some serious mental gymnastics going on with the Saudis, his muslim ban didn't include the Saudis which is where the 911 hijackers were from.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Ipso wrote: »

He inherited it and escalated it, and publically said he doesn't want to lose arms sales to the Saudis that they then use in this war.
So more of the same and then some.

As mentioned above, there is some serious mental gymnastics going on with the Saudis, his muslim ban didn't include the Saudis which is where the 911 hijackers were from.

And Bush allowed the bin laden’s to leave the US. Obama escalated the Yemen war by starting it.

Obama embraced the US drone programme, overseeing more strikes in his first year than Bush carried out during his entire presidency. A total of 563 strikes, largely by drones, targeted Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen during Obama’s two terms, compared to 57 strikes under Bush. Between 384 and 807 civilians were killed in those countries, according to reports logged by the Bureau.

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush

The problem is America.