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Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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    #9782
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,990 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    tretorn wrote: »
    How in the name of God does Tubridy get to trouser almost 500,00 thousand a year.

    This puts him on a par with medical consultants with years of specialist training behind them and jobs that carry huge personal responnsibility.

    Tubridy was disgraceful last night, he is completely inane on both Radio and TV so who or what is his salary benchmarked against.


    i'd imagine it's because he brings in quite a substantial amount of audience and advertising. i don't particularly rate him in terms of presenting the lls or in terms of talk shows in general, but when he presented breakfast on 2fm he was quite good even if it wasn't my thing.
    tretorn wrote: »
    But the salary, seriously how can anyone think someone sitting interviewing authors flogging their books in time for the christmas market is worth almost five hundred thousand euros. I know he worked for the BBC for a couple of summers but dont think he lasted too long there so its not as if his talents are in great demand.

    Did he actually delete his instagram account today, he must have received some comments he didnt like.

    He has done so much now to keep the publicity on Casey, that wont please Leo and his handlers.

    broadcasting can command quite a high wage if the broadcaster brings in a high audience and high amount of advertising. i'd imagine the reason he hasn't gone over to the bbc is because they have enough cover presenters now, whereas at the time he went over they didn't.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #9783
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,057 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    tretorn wrote: »
    To get 347,00 people to vote for an unknown candidate is a remarkable achievement. To get this vote in spite of the combined media portraying you as a loose cannon and in spite of the Taoiseach advising no one to vote for you is even more incredible.

    If another presidential was held tomorrow its conceivable that Casey might get five hundred thousand votes.

    Has any politican without a family background managed to achieve anything like Caseys vote in a General Election, his success was unprecedented.

    Its not a revolution but its a shot fired across Leos brows, Leo had some indication from early on that Casey was going to poll well, thats when he made the fatal mistake of telling people how to vote.

    No, it's not an achievement. He's got the money, can afford the platform, the airtime and the avdvisers, he's got a loud voice and he's mouthing off against an easy target. Nothing really difficult. The family is irrelevant. The politics is irrelevant.

    Do you really think he'd the same number of votes while campaining an education, HSE, tax and the economy whilst working with an economic budget?! There's not a chance he'd get even close to double figures.

    He's a one-trick pony in a small county circus and you're basically telling me he can win the Grand National.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #9784
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,903 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    MFPM wrote: »
    He lost and lost decisively. He has shown himself to be clueless and incoherent on any questions he's been asked. Even his points on broadband have been shown to be palpable nonsense.

    What outcomes have come from the incumbent politicians re Broadband?

    Nothing.

    Casey is an outlet for those who are not represented anywhere in political life in this country.


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    #9785
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users Posts: 13,832 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    ...and that is the fault of those who administer the law.

    No, it's not. It's the fault of the Government pandering to a minority who believe they are above the law. The same legislation should apply, but it doesn't, in nearly every case a traveller is involved in. But continue to blame everyone except the people who commit the crime.

    I'm out of this thread. It's no longer a discussion.


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    #9786
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,903 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    No, it's not an achievement. He's got the money, can afford the platform, the airtime and the avdvisers, he's got a loud voice and he's mouthing off against an easy target. Nothing really difficult. The family is irrelevant. The politics is irrelevant.

    Do you really think he'd the same number of votes while campaining an education, HSE, tax and the economy whilst working with an economic budget?! There's not a chance he'd get even close to double figures.

    He's a one-trick pony in a small county circus and you're basically telling me he can win the Grand National.

    You are obviously happy that not ONE party or movement in this country actually supports those working and paying for everything, along with their own expenses. Right.


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    #9787
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    listermint wrote: »
    Oh I'm very self aware .

    Frankly it's one of the reasons I call out irrational people in the internet.

    It really feels like alot of people on the thread would rather have minority groups wiped away than understand what's needed to help them get out of the cycle they are stuck in.


    Imaginative

    Yeah, as I said, breathtaking.


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    #9788
    shady acres
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    tretorn wrote: »
    How in the name of God does Tubridy get to trouser almost 500,00 thousand a year.

    This puts him on a par with medical consultants with years of specialist training behind them and jobs that carry huge personal responnsibility.

    Tubridy was disgraceful last night, he is completely inane on both Radio and TV so who or what is his salary benchmarked against.
    how did that gobsh1te get on the television


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    #9789
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    No, it's not an achievement. He's got the money, can afford the platform, the airtime and the avdvisers, he's got a loud voice and he's mouthing off against an easy target. Nothing really difficult. The family is irrelevant. The politics is irrelevant.

    Do you really think he'd the same number of votes while campaining an education, HSE, tax and the economy whilst working with an economic budget?! There's not a chance he'd get even close to double figures.

    He's a one-trick pony in a small county circus and you're basically telling me he can win the Grand National.

    If he was mouthing off against an easy target over three hundred thousand people wouldnt have voted for him.

    You are completely missing the point when you refuse to acknowledge why so many people gave him their number ones and why he was so popular in parts of Ireland where people have to interact with travellers a lot and he was ignored in areas where travellers dont live in large numbers.

    The problems are not going to go away unless the will to deal with traveller criminality is there. Relations between the traveller community and the rest of the population have never been so bad and while the powers that be arent affected by this they will look the other way and do nothing to alleviate problems.

    Casey didnt need to campaign on education, on the budget or any other matter, he wasnt asking to be elected as a member of the Dail and he has no experience in Government. He was applying for a job that basically involves doing nothing and getting paid a lot of money while doing nothing.


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    #9790
    end of the road
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    Rennaws wrote: »
    You’re still projecting but that aside it’s too complex to even start to get into here..

    Not that I claim to have the answers by the way..

    That’s what we pay our politicians a very handsome salary for..

    Needless say, we could start with trying to figure out why we have more people per capita on disability then any other nation in Europe.

    Let’s take a peak under that rock and start from there..

    Let’s also get CAB to investigate why gangs of travelers with no form of income can afford brand new vans, caravans, limos, gold coffins, etc etc while claiming welfare..

    i would agree with those. they should be a given.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    Stop paying dole for life. Have a system where it reduces year on year while providing assistance to people to get back to work.

    unfortunately reducing dole year on year isn't going to be viable. helping those who want to get back to work to do so i would certainly agree with.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    Child benefit should stop after 2 kids.

    nice idea but not practical in reality as people will have more then 2 children. there isn't anything we can do to stop that.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    If you don’t want to work tough.. you want dole, you go cleaning walls or weeding parks..

    there are no walls to clean or parks to weed as there are people already doing those jobs. people who are actually happy to do it and who don't require mountains of staff to actually make sure they do it.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #9791
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,990 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Rennaws wrote: »
    whatever it is, you earn the money and instill a sense of pride into people.

    you can't instill a sense of pride in people. they either have pride or they don't. even then, pride is irrelevant, as nobody goes to work because of pride, but because we want to earn money.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    Our pensions have to be looked at. We can’t afford them and it’s like a train wreck coming at us. We need to start planning for that now..

    we can afford them at the moment. it is long term where the problem is said to kick in
    Rennaws wrote: »
    Build a large prison and start locking up repeat offenders. 3 strike rule sounds good to me..

    3 strike rule doesn't work. locking up repeat offenders is a much different thing and that should be a given anyway.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    I could go on and on but as I said there’s too much to get into in a post here..

    Truth is, we just need to try something, anything, cause right now we’re doing nothing but lander more and more to this lazy and undesirable section of our society.

    no, we should not just try anything. we should only try what has a proven record/benefit, in terms of delivering anything. we cannot afford to be trying any old thing which is doomed from the start. the money isn't there.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #9792
    shady acres
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    I think if I was in Peter's shoes I'd retire and enjoy myself up in Donegal hitting golf-balls into the sea all day
    he is barely into politics and has seen the venom of the Establishment and the frankly Fake News Media
    but you would have to consider the 343,747 votes
    every vote is precious


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    #9793
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MFPM wrote: »
    Might I suggest you consult the definition of the word, its permitted usage and then come back and acknowledge your ignorance. Good man.

    Already know the meaning, as said you clearly don't.


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    #9794
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,903 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    MFPM wrote: »
    The local settled community are a far bigger obstacle to the third runway and have battled against it for years. Have you been railing against them too as they are standing in the way of 'of everyone and our economy right' or is it just Travellers you selectively focus your ire on?

    The local settled community have paid their taxes and local taxes too.

    They are quite right to say what they feel. Otherwise they would shut up.

    But the Traveller squatters seem to have free rein, even though they probably have paid nothing. But seem to be able to garner millions in order that those who pay for them can see an improved economy. Jayzis..


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    #9795
    shady acres
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    why did Peter Casey cross the road
    to open Pandora's box

    lol at "rte" and the thought police trying to shove that toothpaste back in the tube :pac:


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    #9796
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,903 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    shady acres wrote: »
    I think if I was in Peter's shoes I'd retire and enjoy myself up in Donegal hitting golf-balls into the sea all day
    he is barely into politics and has seen the venom of the Establishment and the frankly Fake News Media
    but you would have to consider the 343,747 votes
    every vote is precious

    I hope he fights against the received wisdom.

    I really do. We need another voice.


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    #9797
    shady acres
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I hope he fights against the received wisdom.

    I really do. We need another voice.

    ya i was only jokin i wouldn't hit golfballs into the sea


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    #9798
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Do travellers pay electricity and bin charges?


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    #9799
    kerryguy78
    Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭kerryguy78


    Hopefully other politicians will follow suit and speak their minds rather than being ****less that they will say something wrong


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    #9800
    kerryguy78
    Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭kerryguy78


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Do travellers pay electricity and bin charges?

    No


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    #9801
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    kerryguy78 wrote: »
    No

    Marvelous ay


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    #9802
    kerryguy78
    Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭kerryguy78


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Marvelous ay

    Just throw it over the ditch


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    #9803
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    No, it's not. It's the fault of the Government pandering to a minority who believe they are above the law. The same legislation should apply, but it doesn't, in nearly every case a traveller is involved in. But continue to blame everyone except the people who commit the crime.

    I'm out of this thread. It's no longer a discussion.

    So the law not being administered is whose fault then?

    People will take advantage of laws that are not enforced. That applies to settled or traveller.

    Anyhow, sorry you have taken the huff and sorry for spoiling your attempt to demonstrate that there are different laws for travellers, there aren't.


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    #9804
    shady acres
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    kerryguy78 wrote: »
    Hopefully other politicians will follow suit and speak their minds rather than being ****less that they will say something wrong

    what do people think about Casey joining up with renua, i admit i know very little about them, afaik Lucinda set up the party because Fine Gael wouldnt allow her to vote with her conscience,
    i heard an interview with pat the plank kenny and the current leader of Renua, michael leahy, today,
    if they already have the basic infrastructure already there,


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    #9805
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    No, it's not an achievement. He's got the money, can afford the platform, the airtime and the avdvisers, he's got a loud voice and he's mouthing off against an easy target. Nothing really difficult. The family is irrelevant. The politics is irrelevant.

    Do you really think he'd the same number of votes while campaining an education, HSE, tax and the economy whilst working with an economic budget?! There's not a chance he'd get even close to double figures.

    He's a one-trick pony in a small county circus and you're basically telling me he can win the Grand National.

    He can though, denial of the fact it could happen is the rock established party's might perish on.
    It's happened in the UK and the US for instance.
    Amazingly people are in denial the likes could happen here, not saying it will, but it could.
    Of course you're right re the importance of his stance on travellers and welfare are only p**s in the wind in the overall scheme of things economically, but a govt here lost a huge majority over water charges, so in perspective a rural vote for candidates promising to sort out their traveller problems could in effect change majorities and and govt participation.
    But its a small side issue in the actual running of the country either economically or socially.


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    #9806
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,903 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    shady acres wrote: »
    what do people think about Casey joining up with renua, i admit i know very little about them, afaik Lucinda set up the party because Fine Gael wouldnt allow her to vote with her conscience,
    i heard an interview with pat the plank kenny and the current leader of Renua, michael leahy, today,
    if they already have the basic infrastructure already there,

    The big issue is, the media will blank it anyway.

    What do we do now in relation to new entities in politics.


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    #9807
    shady acres
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The big issue is, the media will blank it anyway.

    What do we do now in relation to new entities in politics.

    what do you think about Renua, did you hear that interview with micheal leahy, it was on dennis o brien fm this morning:)


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    #9808
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So the law not being administered is whose fault then?

    People will take advantage of laws that are not enforced. That applies to settled or traveller.

    Anyhow, sorry you have taken the huff and sorry for spoiling your attempt to demonstrate that there are different laws for travellers, there aren't.

    shouting some one down isnt the same as winning an argument , but if you get enough bots around you you will try . some one else posted traveler specific legislation further back but you ignored it too

    https://www.exchangehouse.ie/faq_legislationtimeline.php

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/law-to-stop-travellers-occupying-land-without-consent-is-enacted-1.1087107

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/05/government-plans-crackdown-illegal-traveller-sites-housing-minister-review-laws


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    #9809
    Discodog
    Registered Users Posts: 15,829 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    So the law not being administered is whose fault then?

    People will take advantage of laws that are not enforced. That applies to settled or traveller.

    Anyhow, sorry you have taken the huff and sorry for spoiling your attempt to demonstrate that there are different laws for travellers, there aren't.

    And what would be the cost, in extra manpower & resources, to stop all the illegal & antisocial behaviour of one group ? You expect taxpayers to pay even more.


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    #9810
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    listermint wrote: »
    Admit ?

    Have you been following my posts.

    Of course they are stuck in a cycle. They can't get employment because people already have bias against them this thread is evidence of it. They turn to criminality because of this. It's an easy transition from zero opportunities to criminality.

    The cycle can only be breached through community lead local youth work. Which needs proper funding and not through funding spokes groups like pavee point.

    People need to feel their life is worth something. Anyone of us who had that level of self worth would probably be in the same positions in life.

    I wouldn't want to be identifiable once I opened my mouth and judged straight away.

    How do you think we break this cycle ?

    They can get employment. I'm in construction and I've come across quite a few of them on building sites. Not one has lasted any length of time for one reason or another.
    I met one last year working for a prominent landscaping company (dole made him take the position or forfeit his welfare)...he sat on a wall outside most of the time complaining that it was too warm to work. We asked him where he was living. He told us Carlow, and that it was a disgrace that he had to be ready for his lift to dublin at 5.55 a.m every morning.
    He lasted 4 days.


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    #9811
    shady acres
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    shouting some one down isnt the same as winning an argument , but if you get enough bots around you you will try . some one else posted traveler specific legislation further back but you ignored it too

    https://www.exchangehouse.ie/faq_legislationtimeline.php

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/law-to-stop-travellers-occupying-land-without-consent-is-enacted-1.1087107

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/05/government-plans-crackdown-illegal-traveller-sites-housing-minister-review-laws

    your first link is malware


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