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Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    tretorn wrote: »
    There are plenty of politicans who started off at local resident association level and then progressed through decades of sitting through council meetings dealing with local issues and wouldnt have polled anything like Peter Casey did on entering the presidential election.

    He achieved a remarkable result and stole the clothes off Sinn Fein. Mary Lou Mc Donald has some serious thinking to do.

    Again, nothing remarkable about having lots of money and a loud voice. Being popular does not mean your ideas are sound.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    listermint wrote: »
    Good


    Then allow your posts to reflect your views more accurately because they have come across that way.

    People need alot more clarity on their thoughts they come across as a machine gun of anger at everything and everyone.

    So what are your solutions for welfare fraud and other points you noted.

    You’re still projecting but that aside it’s too complex to even start to get into here..

    Not that I claim to have the answers by the way..

    That’s what we pay our politicians a very handsome salary for..

    Needless say, we could start with trying to figure out why we have more people per capita on disability then any other nation in Europe.

    Let’s take a peak under that rock and start from there..

    Let’s also get CAB to investigate why gangs of travelers with no form of income can afford brand new vans, caravans, limos, gold coffins, etc etc while claiming welfare..

    Stop paying dole for life. Have a system where it reduces year on year while providing assistance to people to get back to work.

    Child benefit should stop after 2 kids.

    If you don’t want to work tough.. you want dole, you go cleaning walls or weeding parks.. whatever it is, you earn the money and instill a sense of pride into people.

    Our pensions have to be looked at. We can’t afford them and it’s like a train wreck coming at us. We need to start planning for that now..

    Build a large prison and start locking up repeat offenders. 3 strike rule sounds good to me..

    I could go on and on but as I said there’s too much to get into in a post here..

    Truth is, we just need to try something, anything, cause right now we’re doing nothing but lander more and more to this lazy and undesirable section of our society.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MFPM wrote: »
    As am I but I'm also happy to point out bigotry when I see it, you seem content to turn a blind eye then again perhaps you don't understand the concept.

    You seem to have given your own definition to a word/term already defined. Fire ahead so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭MFPM


    tretorn wrote: »
    Ahem, the marginalised voices galvanised themselves the minute Casey said the word traveller, they arent going anywhere, the Wests awake.

    do keep up.

    I'm keeping up, you seem to be very confused. How are the voices 'marginalised' be precise now. The people in the West seem wide awake to Casey's nonsense hence a majority rejected him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,323 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    tretorn wrote: »
    There are plenty of politicans who started off at local resident association level and then progressed through decades of sitting through council meetings dealing with local issues and wouldnt have polled anything like Peter Casey did on entering the presidential election.

    He achieved a remarkable result and stole the clothes off Sinn Fein. Mary Lou Mc Donald has some serious thinking to do.

    No doubt he found a cheap line to motivate a lot of hate and anger out there.

    Let's not call it a revolution just yet though, that is just silly talk.

    Have to say, if it is a 'revolution', it's the most incoherent one in history.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Again, nothing remarkable about having lots of money and a loud voice. Being popular does not mean your ideas are sound.

    To get 347,00 people to vote for an unknown candidate is a remarkable achievement. To get this vote in spite of the combined media portraying you as a loose cannon and in spite of the Taoiseach advising no one to vote for you is even more incredible.

    If another presidential was held tomorrow its conceivable that Casey might get five hundred thousand votes.

    Has any politican without a family background managed to achieve anything like Caseys vote in a General Election, his success was unprecedented.

    Its not a revolution but its a shot fired across Leos brows, Leo had some indication from early on that Casey was going to poll well, thats when he made the fatal mistake of telling people how to vote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭MFPM


    You seem to have given your own definition to a word/term already defined. Fire ahead so.

    Might I suggest you consult the definition of the word, its permitted usage and then come back and acknowledge your ignorance. Good man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,323 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    tretorn wrote: »
    To get 347,00 people to vote for an unknown candidate is a remarkable achievement. To get this vote in spite of the combined media portraying you as a loose cannon and in spite of the Taoiseach advising no one to vote for you is even more incredible.

    If another presidential was held tomorrow its conceivable that Casey might get five hundred thousand votes.

    Has any politican without a family background managed to achieve anything like Caseys vote in a General Election, his success was unprecedented.

    But as I said when the result came out and before it, it is abject failure to only achieve what he did when 'everybody' knew what he was saying. :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    MFPM wrote: »
    Might I suggest you take your head out of your bigoted ar$e and look at the facts of the situation - you're simply aping Casey.

    what exactly is bigoted or non factual about that ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    But as I said when the result came out and before it, it is abject failure to only achieve what he did when 'everybody' knew what he was saying. :rolleyes:

    You're still pedalling Casey's"failure" Francie.
    Nobody is buying it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭MFPM


    tretorn wrote: »
    To get 347,00 people to vote for an unknown candidate is a remarkable achievement. To get this vote in spite of the combined media portraying you as a loose cannon and in spite of the Taoiseach advising no one to vote for you is even more incredible.

    If another presidential was held tomorrow its conceivable that Casey might get five hundred thousand votes.

    Has any politican without a family background managed to achieve anything like Caseys vote in a General Election, his success was unprecedented.

    Its not a revolution but its a shot fired across Leos brows, Leo had some indication from early on that Casey was going to poll well, thats when he made the fatal mistake of telling people how to vote.

    Do you ever think before you post.

    Sean Gallagher got 28% of the vote - over 500K in 2011 even after tweetgate - he was generally unknown before 2011.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    But as I said when the result came out and before it, it is abject failure to only achieve what he did when 'everybody' knew what he was saying. :rolleyes:

    Its not a failure in any sense of the word.

    He should be very proud of what he achieved.

    He left all the other candidates including Joan Freeman far behind, people saw through the nonsense about people looking to be elected pretending they wouldnt have problems with halting sites near them, to lie to this extent in the pursuit of power means you arent fit to morally lead others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Casey has won.

    He has opened up a debate now and has given a voice to those who have been totally silenced up to now.

    Good on him.

    We know the media and the Establishment will never comment apart from negatively against him.

    But honestly, the more they do this, the more people without a voice will ask why they are being silenced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    listermint wrote: »
    Admit ?

    Have you been following my posts.

    Of course they are stuck in a cycle. They can't get employment because people already have bias against them this thread is evidence of it. They turn to criminality because of this. It's an easy transition from zero opportunities to criminality.

    The cycle can only be breached through community lead local youth work. Which needs proper funding and not through funding spokes groups like pavee point.

    People need to feel their life is worth something. Anyone of us who had that level of self worth would probably be in the same positions in life.

    I wouldn't want to be identifiable once I opened my mouth and judged straight away.

    How do you think we break this cycle ?


    i think you have the start of the cycle incorrect. Traveller criminality starts off at a young age, sometimes very young. It won't be broken without targeting the parents as well as the children.

    That is not what he/she came up short on. They tried to make it look as if there was special provision for travellers in the law.
    Something Casey has been trying to do as well. There isn't.


    That provision was brought in primarily to deal with travellers though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Casey has won.

    He has opened up a debate now and has given a voice to those who have been totally silenced up to now.

    Good on him.

    We know the media and the Establishment will never comment apart from negatively against him.

    But honestly, the more they do this, the more people without a voice will ask why they are being silenced.

    He lost and lost decisively. He has shown himself to be clueless and incoherent on any questions he's been asked. Even his points on broadband have been shown to be palpable nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    tretorn wrote: »
    How in the name of God does Tubridy get to trouser almost 500,00 thousand a year.

    This puts him on a par with medical consultants with years of specialist training behind them and jobs that carry huge personal responnsibility.

    Tubridy was disgraceful last night, he is completely inane on both Radio and TV so who or what is his salary benchmarked against.


    i'd imagine it's because he brings in quite a substantial amount of audience and advertising. i don't particularly rate him in terms of presenting the lls or in terms of talk shows in general, but when he presented breakfast on 2fm he was quite good even if it wasn't my thing.
    tretorn wrote: »
    But the salary, seriously how can anyone think someone sitting interviewing authors flogging their books in time for the christmas market is worth almost five hundred thousand euros. I know he worked for the BBC for a couple of summers but dont think he lasted too long there so its not as if his talents are in great demand.

    Did he actually delete his instagram account today, he must have received some comments he didnt like.

    He has done so much now to keep the publicity on Casey, that wont please Leo and his handlers.

    broadcasting can command quite a high wage if the broadcaster brings in a high audience and high amount of advertising. i'd imagine the reason he hasn't gone over to the bbc is because they have enough cover presenters now, whereas at the time he went over they didn't.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    tretorn wrote: »
    To get 347,00 people to vote for an unknown candidate is a remarkable achievement. To get this vote in spite of the combined media portraying you as a loose cannon and in spite of the Taoiseach advising no one to vote for you is even more incredible.

    If another presidential was held tomorrow its conceivable that Casey might get five hundred thousand votes.

    Has any politican without a family background managed to achieve anything like Caseys vote in a General Election, his success was unprecedented.

    Its not a revolution but its a shot fired across Leos brows, Leo had some indication from early on that Casey was going to poll well, thats when he made the fatal mistake of telling people how to vote.

    No, it's not an achievement. He's got the money, can afford the platform, the airtime and the avdvisers, he's got a loud voice and he's mouthing off against an easy target. Nothing really difficult. The family is irrelevant. The politics is irrelevant.

    Do you really think he'd the same number of votes while campaining an education, HSE, tax and the economy whilst working with an economic budget?! There's not a chance he'd get even close to double figures.

    He's a one-trick pony in a small county circus and you're basically telling me he can win the Grand National.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    MFPM wrote: »
    He lost and lost decisively. He has shown himself to be clueless and incoherent on any questions he's been asked. Even his points on broadband have been shown to be palpable nonsense.

    What outcomes have come from the incumbent politicians re Broadband?

    Nothing.

    Casey is an outlet for those who are not represented anywhere in political life in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,630 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    ...and that is the fault of those who administer the law.

    No, it's not. It's the fault of the Government pandering to a minority who believe they are above the law. The same legislation should apply, but it doesn't, in nearly every case a traveller is involved in. But continue to blame everyone except the people who commit the crime.

    I'm out of this thread. It's no longer a discussion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    No, it's not an achievement. He's got the money, can afford the platform, the airtime and the avdvisers, he's got a loud voice and he's mouthing off against an easy target. Nothing really difficult. The family is irrelevant. The politics is irrelevant.

    Do you really think he'd the same number of votes while campaining an education, HSE, tax and the economy whilst working with an economic budget?! There's not a chance he'd get even close to double figures.

    He's a one-trick pony in a small county circus and you're basically telling me he can win the Grand National.

    You are obviously happy that not ONE party or movement in this country actually supports those working and paying for everything, along with their own expenses. Right.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    listermint wrote: »
    Oh I'm very self aware .

    Frankly it's one of the reasons I call out irrational people in the internet.

    It really feels like alot of people on the thread would rather have minority groups wiped away than understand what's needed to help them get out of the cycle they are stuck in.


    Imaginative

    Yeah, as I said, breathtaking.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    tretorn wrote: »
    How in the name of God does Tubridy get to trouser almost 500,00 thousand a year.

    This puts him on a par with medical consultants with years of specialist training behind them and jobs that carry huge personal responnsibility.

    Tubridy was disgraceful last night, he is completely inane on both Radio and TV so who or what is his salary benchmarked against.
    how did that gobsh1te get on the television


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭tretorn


    No, it's not an achievement. He's got the money, can afford the platform, the airtime and the avdvisers, he's got a loud voice and he's mouthing off against an easy target. Nothing really difficult. The family is irrelevant. The politics is irrelevant.

    Do you really think he'd the same number of votes while campaining an education, HSE, tax and the economy whilst working with an economic budget?! There's not a chance he'd get even close to double figures.

    He's a one-trick pony in a small county circus and you're basically telling me he can win the Grand National.

    If he was mouthing off against an easy target over three hundred thousand people wouldnt have voted for him.

    You are completely missing the point when you refuse to acknowledge why so many people gave him their number ones and why he was so popular in parts of Ireland where people have to interact with travellers a lot and he was ignored in areas where travellers dont live in large numbers.

    The problems are not going to go away unless the will to deal with traveller criminality is there. Relations between the traveller community and the rest of the population have never been so bad and while the powers that be arent affected by this they will look the other way and do nothing to alleviate problems.

    Casey didnt need to campaign on education, on the budget or any other matter, he wasnt asking to be elected as a member of the Dail and he has no experience in Government. He was applying for a job that basically involves doing nothing and getting paid a lot of money while doing nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Rennaws wrote: »
    You’re still projecting but that aside it’s too complex to even start to get into here..

    Not that I claim to have the answers by the way..

    That’s what we pay our politicians a very handsome salary for..

    Needless say, we could start with trying to figure out why we have more people per capita on disability then any other nation in Europe.

    Let’s take a peak under that rock and start from there..

    Let’s also get CAB to investigate why gangs of travelers with no form of income can afford brand new vans, caravans, limos, gold coffins, etc etc while claiming welfare..

    i would agree with those. they should be a given.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    Stop paying dole for life. Have a system where it reduces year on year while providing assistance to people to get back to work.

    unfortunately reducing dole year on year isn't going to be viable. helping those who want to get back to work to do so i would certainly agree with.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    Child benefit should stop after 2 kids.

    nice idea but not practical in reality as people will have more then 2 children. there isn't anything we can do to stop that.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    If you don’t want to work tough.. you want dole, you go cleaning walls or weeding parks..

    there are no walls to clean or parks to weed as there are people already doing those jobs. people who are actually happy to do it and who don't require mountains of staff to actually make sure they do it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Rennaws wrote: »
    whatever it is, you earn the money and instill a sense of pride into people.

    you can't instill a sense of pride in people. they either have pride or they don't. even then, pride is irrelevant, as nobody goes to work because of pride, but because we want to earn money.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    Our pensions have to be looked at. We can’t afford them and it’s like a train wreck coming at us. We need to start planning for that now..

    we can afford them at the moment. it is long term where the problem is said to kick in
    Rennaws wrote: »
    Build a large prison and start locking up repeat offenders. 3 strike rule sounds good to me..

    3 strike rule doesn't work. locking up repeat offenders is a much different thing and that should be a given anyway.
    Rennaws wrote: »
    I could go on and on but as I said there’s too much to get into in a post here..

    Truth is, we just need to try something, anything, cause right now we’re doing nothing but lander more and more to this lazy and undesirable section of our society.

    no, we should not just try anything. we should only try what has a proven record/benefit, in terms of delivering anything. we cannot afford to be trying any old thing which is doomed from the start. the money isn't there.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    I think if I was in Peter's shoes I'd retire and enjoy myself up in Donegal hitting golf-balls into the sea all day
    he is barely into politics and has seen the venom of the Establishment and the frankly Fake News Media
    but you would have to consider the 343,747 votes
    every vote is precious


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MFPM wrote: »
    Might I suggest you consult the definition of the word, its permitted usage and then come back and acknowledge your ignorance. Good man.

    Already know the meaning, as said you clearly don't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    MFPM wrote: »
    The local settled community are a far bigger obstacle to the third runway and have battled against it for years. Have you been railing against them too as they are standing in the way of 'of everyone and our economy right' or is it just Travellers you selectively focus your ire on?

    The local settled community have paid their taxes and local taxes too.

    They are quite right to say what they feel. Otherwise they would shut up.

    But the Traveller squatters seem to have free rein, even though they probably have paid nothing. But seem to be able to garner millions in order that those who pay for them can see an improved economy. Jayzis..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    why did Peter Casey cross the road
    to open Pandora's box

    lol at "rte" and the thought police trying to shove that toothpaste back in the tube :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I think if I was in Peter's shoes I'd retire and enjoy myself up in Donegal hitting golf-balls into the sea all day
    he is barely into politics and has seen the venom of the Establishment and the frankly Fake News Media
    but you would have to consider the 343,747 votes
    every vote is precious

    I hope he fights against the received wisdom.

    I really do. We need another voice.


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