Hunter shot British mountain biker

J.R.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6274479/Hunter-22-shoots-British-mountain-biker-34-dead-French-Alps.html

gunny123

A french shooter kills a british mountain biker isn't it ?

Gatling

French hunter shoots British mountain biker , sounds like a tragic accident ,

gunny123

Gatling wrote: »

French hunter shoots British mountain biker , sounds like a tragic accident ,

It seems to be alright. It also seems to be pretty common occurence in France.

Grizzly 45

"There are frequent calls for hunting BOER, deer and other animals to be banned in France because of the number of deaths and injuries it causes"

Guess White South Africans would want to avoid France then as well??:rolleyes:

Bad case of Buck fever and violation of Gun saftey rule no 4.

tac foley

So after dying instantly from being shot with a single bullet, an autopsy is needed to establish the cause of death.

Clouseau rules, it seems.

tac foley

gunny123 wrote: »

It seems to be alright. It also seems to be pretty common occurence in France.

Indeed, nine people have been killed so far this season. Three were not hunters, and one of them, a middle-aged lady, was sitting in a chair in her own backyard.

gunny123

tac foley wrote: »

Indeed, nine people have been killed so far this season. Three were not hunters, and one of them, a middle-aged lady, was sitting in a chair in her own backyard.

I read on another forum about a family out walking their lab in the countryside in France, dog on a lead, next thing BANG, dog in a heap, pool of blood the lot, some idiot has mistaken the dog for their quarry and shot the unfortunate thing.

Grizzly 45

And they say American hunters are bad???Looks like the French are taking the title from them and the Italians.:eek:

Nekarsulm

The cardinal rule about never mixing drinking and shooting is often disregarded.

riffmongous

What's the licensing situation in France? What do you need to go hunting?

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And they say American hunters are bad???Looks like the French are taking the title from them and the Italians.:eek:

I heard about a lad here taking a few Italians out rough shooting back in the 80's, never again he reckoned, everything got a lick, songbirds, crows, magpies, even butterflys ! They shot everything apart from what they should have shot.

Nekarsulm

riffmongous wrote: »

What's the licensing situation in France? What do you need to go hunting?

As far as I can discern, its a lot like here.
You need to belong to a Chasse, a hunting club/shooting/target club.
I dont know if having your own land is enough .
The big difference is that they have wild boar, and can shoot them with 12 bore slugs with the appropiate licence.
And taking a shot at something you cant see/identify properly with a brenneke slug is not good.

Mountainsandh

Sorry to butt in, I don't know much about hunting laws in France or anything, but I can fill you in a bit more on this (I'm French and follow the French news, have seen the number of hunting accidents, dogs and people, seemingly rising over the last while).

There had been a similar accident last year where another (walker)guy was shot in the head, so local hunters had set up an app to inform the general public of where and when hunts were happening, and it had been decided that some areas more used by the public would be avoided, in that particular region.
This particular hunt was organized by the local hunters association, there were regulars and some guests, 7 people in all, and the young fellow who shot the man was only 22. He was hospitalized in a state of shock, not arrested, and the charge is headed for aggravated manslaughter.

It's ironic that just a few days ago I was viewing this video article where they say the boar situation is gone ridiculous, and there's needs for an increase or cull.
https://www.ledauphine.com/actualite/2018/10/12/video-le-sanglier-responsable-de-85-des-degats-du-grand-gibier

700 000 boars were shot last year, but the population is an estimated 4 million.
Damages from wild boars cost the government 30 M in compensation/damages yearly.

My own nephew wrote off his car on the motorway a few weeks ago when he hit a wild boar, it was lucky he wasn't killed. This stretch of the motorway has seen a huge increase in accidents due to the wild boars crossing. (Cotes du Rhone, Ardeche, Drome regions are riddled with them)

There are a few incidents in the areas mentioned above too where some cattle, and a whole lot of donkeys (from a rescue I think) were shot in fields.

I don't know any hunters in France so I can't tell you if it's an increase in chancers joining in, or if the cattle/donkey incidents are separate issues altogether, but at a time where there's a need for more hunters, their reputation with the general public is not what it should be.

Grizzly 45

Nekarsulm wrote: »

As far as I can discern, its a lot like here.
You need to belong to a Chasse, a hunting club/shooting/target club.
I dont know if having your own land is enough .
The big difference is that they have wild boar, and can shoot them with 12 bore slugs with the appropiate licence.
And taking a shot at something you cant see/identify properly with a brenneke slug is not good.

Here you go. More like a German ultralight hunting test:)
And even the German hunting test is still no guarantee of people shooting others.Had an incident close to us a few years ago where one lad shot on a clear full moon night a farmer who was over 6foot tall,as he thought he was a wild boar coming thru a corn field.:(
https://en.browning-blog.eu/the-french-hunting-permit-permis-de-chasse-what-you-should-know/

Grizzly 45

gunny123 wrote: »

I heard about a lad here taking a few Italians out rough shooting back in the 80's, never again he reckoned, everything got a lick, songbirds, crows, magpies, even butterflys ! They shot everything apart from what they should have shot.

Kevlar is a good idea when La Passione grande takes on the Italians:eek:.
But TBH to the above in the 80s, yes it happened quite a bit. But did anyone bother to tell them what was game species here or not?? Remember the Italians do hunt migratory songbirds in Italy, and still net them in so-called "Mist nets" and they are considered a delicacy,so if no one says anything or informs them of whats game or not,what can you expect? Same with the Germans ,French and Italians at the time fishing the lakes clean of perch and pike.

KevinCavan

Rifle bullets can travel for miles, high risk putting a rifle in the wrong hands

judestynes

tac foley wrote: »

So after dying instantly from being shot with a single bullet, an autopsy is needed to establish the cause of death.

Clouseau rules, it seems.

Still need an autopsy, could have broke his neck or cracked his head or anything coming off the bike as a result of being shot.

Half-cocked

I was on a factory visit in Normandy a few years ago. Some of the workers would head out into the nearby forest for a few shots at lunchtime (pigeons being the main quarry). Two of them managed to pepper a fellow workers car with shot while it was parked on a forestry track. He went running straight off to the gendarmes and the boyos had their guns confiscated. Pretty icy atmosphere during the two days I was working alongside that group!


While it was only a car that got damaged, you have to wonder about people who take low shots across pathways and can't see a big metal object on 4 wheels, what if it had been a person out for a walk? Another chap in the factory told me that no one dares go for a walk in the woods during hunting season, a pretty sad state of affairs.

BattleCorp

Why is it aggravated manslaughter? Doesn't the word aggravated mean that there was something malicious rather than it being an accident?

Doesn't aggravated meant that there was some sort of intent?

Cass

Not necessarily, it usually means (in relation to law/prosecution) that its a more severe case of.

So assault can be a slap, push, even a dig. Aggravated assault can be a kicking when the person is on the ground and requiring hospitalisation. AFAIK.

tac foley

Is it time to change the thread title? It looks like Brits go storming around the French countryside looking for mountain bikers to shoot. I don't think that is exactly the truth...?

J.R.

tac foley wrote: »

Is it time to change the thread title? It looks like Brits go storming around the French countryside looking for mountain bikers to shoot. I don't think that is exactly the truth...?

Yes - title should be changed/corrected.
It was meant to read Hunter shot British mountain biker but I was talking while typing and never noticed...mods can it be corrected please?..thanks!

Grizzly 45

KevinCavan wrote: »

Rifle bullets can travel for miles, high risk putting a rifle in the wrong hands

And what IYO are the"right hands"?You need to do a comprehensive hunting test in France, including gun safety.It didn't stop this accident.

riffmongous

35 shot dead since 2016 according to the BBC today
bbc

Gravelly

riffmongous wrote: »

35 shot dead since 2016 according to the BBC today
bbc

That seems, to put it mildly, a little careless. Do French hunters routinely shoot blindly in wooded areas?

gunny123

riffmongous wrote: »

35 shot dead since 2016 according to the BBC today
bbc

Yes i heard that. But you must do training to own a firearm or hunt, also i believe it is very common to be asked for your licence and insurance before being allowed to shoot or hunt anywhere in france.

Feisar

gunny123 wrote: »

I heard about a lad here taking a few Italians out rough shooting back in the 80's, never again he reckoned, everything got a lick, songbirds, crows, magpies, even butterflys ! They shot everything apart from what they should have shot.

I used to hear that the Italians/French would take a pot shot at anything. This is pure bar stool knowledge with no substanciation mind.

riffmongous

gunny123 wrote: »

Yes i heard that. But you must do training to own a firearm or hunt, also i believe it is very common to be asked for your licence and insurance before being allowed to shoot or hunt anywhere in france.

I wonder what sort of hunting they are doing, if it's some form of treibjagd where the shooters are expecting the animals to be driven in their direction, sounds a bit like it from the bbc article, and they aren't securing the area properly

Cass

J.R. wrote: »

.mods can it be corrected please?..thanks!

Done.

gunny123

Reading online, the papers are reporting the victim of this accident, was less than a gentleman. He was someone with a long history of abusing women violently. His own mother said she is glad he is dead.
So maybe not such a great loss after all.

meathstevie

The aggravated manslaughter element in this sad story probably follows from the fact that the use of a firearm was involved in the unintended unlawful killing.

A one punch fatality in a fight for example could well be prosecuted as manslaughter without the aggravated element because no weapons or firearms of any kind are involved.

ezra_

gunny123 wrote: »

Reading online, the papers are reporting the victim of this accident, was less than a gentleman. He was someone with a long history of abusing women violently. His own mother said she is glad he is dead.
So maybe not such a great loss after all.

Not a reason to shoot him.

Nekarsulm

gunny123 wrote: »

Reading online, the papers are reporting the victim of this accident, was less than a gentleman. He was someone with a long history of abusing women violently. His own mother said she is glad he is dead.
So maybe not such a great loss after all.

I see his girlfriend and a variety of "ex-pats" are organising silent bike rides in his memory in their area.
Also complaining about "weapons of war " and "kalashnikoff type calibres" being used by hunters.
I didnt bother posting to their campaign page that the 30-06 was never used in the AK range.

Nekarsulm

Still, high rate of shooting injuries in france. The black portion of the graph shows the number killed.

garv123

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Still, high rate of shooting injuries in france. The black portion of the graph shows the number killed.

Scereenshotception :pac:

Nekarsulm

garv123 wrote: »

Scereenshotception :pac:

Better?

https://www.liberation.fr/france/2018/09/25/chasse-treize-morts-la-saison-passee-deja-trois-depuis-l-ouverture-2018_1680848

gunny123

ezra_ wrote: »

gunny123 wrote: »

Reading online, the papers are reporting the victim of this accident, was less than a gentleman. He was someone with a long history of abusing women violently. His own mother said she is glad he is dead.
So maybe not such a great loss after all.

Not a reason to shoot him.

To have a reason, it would have had to be a deliberate act. It wasn't. It was an accidental shooting.

gctest50

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I see his girlfriend and a variety of "ex-pats" are organising silent bike rides in his memory in their area.
Also complaining about "weapons of war " and "kalashnikoff type calibres" being used by hunters.
I didnt bother posting to their campaign page that the 30-06 was never used in the AK range.

meanwhile :

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/marc-sutton-alps-death-mother-mountain-biker-france-rape-death-killed-a8587851.html

His mother, Katrina Toghill, wrote on Facebook that she hoped he would “rot in hell”.

She wrote: “My only disappointment is you died instantly. For any horrified people reading this, I’m not some vicious troll. I’m the woman who gave birth to him. This man was a monster."

Rows Grower

ezra_ wrote: »

Not a reason to shoot him.

And not why he was shot.