Christmas bonus for welfare recipients not only restored but increased

Sonics2k

cournioni wrote: »

Fine Gael won’t be getting any votes from me next election that’s for sure.

I mean, I have no intention of voting for Fine Gael either, but do you think Fianna Fail, or any other party will actually change the social welfare system?

FF started this stuff way back to appeal to voters.

Emme

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

It's not always that easy, and then there are those who cannot work.

I was in two minds about the extra payment but really, I don't care. There are those who abuse the system, don't want to work or are working for cash etc., but then there are those who are genuinely down on their luck, I don't begrudge them this extra payment. I'd be devastated if I couldn't provide a few presents for my little fella.

I don't begrudge people who are genuinely down on their luck. Naturally everyone wants to be able to provide presents for their children.

When I was growing up in a household with two working parents I got one Christmas present and was lucky enough to get small cash gifts from relatives (my birthday was in December so one present usually covered both occasions). If I wanted something else I saved that money and put it towards anything else I wanted. If there wasn't enough money I could save up my pocket money (earned by doing chores) towards it. It was drilled into me for as long as I can remember that you get nothing for nothing. Like many rural children I was told from a young age that I had to contribute to farm work to earn the bit that went into my mouth.

I feel sorry for children who aren't growing up with a work ethic and are living in a country where anyone with a work ethic is penalised.

There is something seriously wrong with a welfare system where somebody who has never worked a day in their life gets more benefits than somebody who is disabled or is caring for a sick or disabled person. Or indeed somebody who has lost their job in the past year and is willing to work again and contribute to the system when they get the opportunity.

PlaneSpeeking

Emme wrote: »

I don't begrudge people who are genuinely down on their luck. Naturally everyone wants to be able to provide presents for their children.

When I was growing up in a household with two working parents I got Christmas presents but not as many as others. I got one present and was lucky enough to get small cash gifts from relatives. I was told by my parents to save that money and put it towards something else I wanted. If there wasn't enough money I could save up my pocket money (earned by doing chores) towards it. It was drilled into me for as long as I can remember that you get nothing for nothing. Like many rural children I was told that I had to contribute to farm work to earn the bit that went into my mouth.

I feel sorry for children who aren't growing up a work ethic and who are living in a country where anyone with a work ethic is penalised.

Couldn't agree more if I tried there.

Hitman3000

Emme wrote:

I feel sorry for children who aren't growing up with a work ethic and are living in a country where anyone with a work ethic is penalised.

Genuine question how are those with a work ethic penalised?

Idbatterim

On renua. Yes they are still a party! They not get two hundred thousand a year or so, as they received over two percent of national vote last time round. You can see their proposed budget on their website. Look the candidate in my constituency might not get in, but at least I can vote with a clear conscience now. Fg have morphed into ff. Their claims of representing the early rises I used to find laughable, not it’s an insult...

Cost of living is shooting up. We have a “boom” and for many , living standards are falling! Lol! Banana republic!

Idbatterim

Sonics2k wrote: »

I mean, I have no intention of voting for Fine Gael either, but do you think Fianna Fail, or any other party will actually change the social welfare system?

FF started this stuff way back to appeal to voters.

Are you serious ? No party will ! Renua would be more moderate, we have a debate left government. if you’re here like me bemoaning the welfare state, forget coming back on here bitching in a year or two after more of these sham budgets, after you’ve voted for more of the same ...

Idbatterim

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Genuine question how are those with a work ethic penalised?

They are paying into a system with an outrageous welfare system for some. Reducing their standard of living, is it hard to understand? You think the **** that goes on here would be tolerated anywhere else ? The working poor propping up the work shy wasters who probably have a better standard of living if they are getting their free house? No job, guaranteed income , no commute... how awful!

Hitman3000

Idbatterim wrote:

They are paying into a system with an outrageous welfare system for some. Reducing their standard of living, is it hard to understand? You think the **** that goes on here would be tolerated anywhere else ? The working poor propping up the work shy wasters who probably have a better standard of living if they are getting their free house? No job, guaranteed income , no commute... how awful!

Thanks for the reply, but my question was to the poster who made the claim.

Hitman3000

Fun fact , according to FinFacts over half the Irish population are in receipt of a social welfare payment. So several of the whingers here are getting some form of social welfare.

Sonics2k

Idbatterim wrote: »

Are you serious ? No party will ! Renua would be more moderate, we have a debate left government. if you’re here like me bemoaning the welfare state, forget coming back on here bitching in a year or two after more of these sham budgets, after you’ve voted for more of the same ...

So wait, you think Renua would be good? That's a whole other conversation I look forward to reading.

ELM327

Graces7 wrote: »

Apples and oranges?

No it's not, because my bonus is taxed to pay for theirs, it's actually apples and apples.
What have they done to earn a portion of my apples?
I don't get a bonus until I show the provider of my apples (my employer) that I have justified it.

ELM327

Sonics2k wrote: »

So wait, you think Renua would be good? That's a whole other conversation I look forward to reading.

Take the silly pro life stance out of Renua and I would have voted for them in a heartbeat.
They had a lot of good ideas like a flat income tax, 3 strikes you're out policy on crime, good on immigration and welfare reform, etc.


I was actually a member until it was clear that the rest was just to get people in and they only cared about pro life. Now that abortion has been voted in, it would be good to get a party with the rest of the values of Renua in it but as a pro choice (or neutral on the issue) party. As a flat income tax, welfare reform, and 3 strikes you're out on crime seems to me a great deal.

Hitman3000

Doctor Jimbob wrote:

If Renua ended up being our Trump/Brexit moment, I think I'd start looking into flights to the moon.

I can't believe there is actually adults out there that think Renua was credible.

PlaneSpeeking

ELM327 wrote: »

Take the silly pro life stance out of Renua and I would have voted for them in a heartbeat.
They had a lot of good ideas like a flat income tax, 3 strikes you're out policy on crime, good on immigration and welfare reform, etc.


I was actually a member until it was clear that the rest was just to get people in and they only cared about pro life. Now that abortion has been voted in, it would be good to get a party with the rest of the values of Renua in it but as a pro choice (or neutral on the issue) party. As a flat income tax, welfare reform, and 3 strikes you're out on crime seems to me a great deal.

I'd vote for a party with those criteria in a heartbeat.

ELM327

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I'd vote for a party with those criteria in a heartbeat.

There's a lot of "good stuff" there but the pro life stance is something I could not vote for in good conscience even if they told me I was going to be taxed at 0%


https://www.renuaireland.com/policies

PlaneSpeeking

ELM327 wrote: »

There's a lot of "good stuff" there but the pro life stance is something I could not vote for in good conscience even if they told me I was going to be taxed at 0%


https://www.renuaireland.com/policies

Agreed - I've been a Sinn Fein voter for years, decades even but the desire for a united Ireland has to take a back seat to being treated like a cash cow for the lazy wasters in this country. Not any more.

badtoro

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Doctor Jimbob wrote:

If Renua ended up being our Trump/Brexit moment, I think I'd start looking into flights to the moon.

I can't believe there is actually adults out there that think Renua was credible.

Same as, I know one of their former candidates. Unfortunately I didn't know he'd agreed to run for them until after he'd committed to do it. Told him he was wasting his time & potential but wished him luck.

Samsgirl

pjohnson wrote: »

Then vote for Irexit party.


Honestly if the whingers on boards set up an anti-welfare, anti-immigration, anti-church party they can just all vote for it and see this revolution at work.

I don't think anyone is anti welfare. I know I'm not but I am anti wasters. There will always be people in welfare for many reasons but for some it's a lifestyle choice. The fact they can do that is the issue most posters seem to have.

PlaneSpeeking

Samsgirl wrote: »

I don't think anyone is anti welfare. I know I'm not but I am anti wasters. There will always be people in welfare for many reasons but for some it's a lifestyle choice. The fact they can do that is the issue most posters seem to have.

Welfare when NEEDED, I'm all for.

Welfare DEMANDED and no attempt to contribute ? Yes that is what I'm "anti"

weldoninhio

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Welfare when NEEDED, I'm all for.

Welfare DEMANDED and no attempt to contribute ? Yes that is what I'm "anti"

100% agree on this!!

99nsr125

weldoninhio wrote: »

100% agree on this!!

How do you define need ?

Smartphone is an essential part of life now

When was the last time you heard of someone giving out CV's

To apply for the majority of jobs now you therefore need a smartphone / tablet / laptop / computer


We all have a need for shelter, sustenance and clothing, hence public or subsidised housing and social spending, otherwise you're murdering those less fortunate than you and someday that will be you because everyone gets sick, tired or old

But we need education also to get a job, in a changing society it must be continuing education, opportunities to retrain

Fundamentally you will find if work pays, almost everyone works.

Some people can't or never will again because of illness, physical or mental or as the case is now all the jobs are in Dublin and they live in Donegal or Dunmore east with children in school or any of the other numerous limiting factors

The society we all want to live in has opportunity for all until then our humanity shows generosity because tomorrow you could be told you have terminal cancer and lose everything in the blink of an eye

PlaneSpeeking

99nsr125 wrote: »

To apply for the majority of jobs now you therefore need a smartphone / tablet / laptop / computer library or community venue

Fixed that for you, other emotive guff removed.

Spanish Eyes

This a confidence and supply Government. FG must do what FF say wrt Welfare bonuses and increases etc.

I was pleased over the years to see the end of single party overall majority Governments, but now and then (like now) if FG were governing on their own there would be none of this bonus mullarkey, they would be on the side of the workers. Sigh.... but they are strangled at the moment by FF and the Indos propping them up.

Anyway, I have no problem with SW recipients who are unable to work or who are carers getting an increase/bonus. I do have a problem with long term unemployed who will get a bonus for doing FA. I think that is reasonable in this day and age.

Graces7

99nsr125 wrote: »

How do you define need ?

Smartphone is an essential part of life now

When was the last time you heard of someone giving out CV's

To apply for the majority of jobs now you therefore need a smartphone / tablet / laptop / computer


We all have a need for shelter, sustenance and clothing, hence public or subsidised housing and social spending, otherwise you're murdering those less fortunate than you and someday that will be you because everyone gets sick, tired or old

But we need education also to get a job, in a changing society it must be continuing education, opportunities to retrain

Fundamentally you will find if work pays, almost everyone works.

Some people can't or never will again because of illness, physical or mental or as the case is now all the jobs are in Dublin and they live in Donegal or Dunmore east with children in school or any of the other numerous limiting factors

The society we all want to live in has opportunity for all until then our humanity shows generosity because tomorrow you could be told you have terminal cancer and lose everything in the blink of an eye

excellent post. Thank you

Signpost

How can I discard all responsibilities get a bonus rather for existing rather than doing extra long hours every day, get a house with stables for free, free health care, free heating, free water etc? After spending this much of my life working like a bolix from 6am till god knows what time at night for others to have it so time to put the feet up and join the party. Maybe if enough people paying tax lay down tools they might actually give something back to the people paying for the rest to have a better life than themselves.

Hitman3000

Signpost wrote:

How can I discard all responsibilities get a bonus rather for existing rather than doing extra long hours every day, get a house with stables for free, free health care, free heating, free water etc? After spending this much of my life working like a bolix from 6am till god knows what time at night for others to have it so time to put the feet up and join the party. Maybe if enough people paying tax lay down tools they might actually give something back to the people paying for the rest to have a better life than themselves.

Considering that so many here claim the dole is so great I'm surprised you're not down at your local welfare office signing on.

Signpost

Must get away from being self employed for 6 months and then I too can live the dream!

PlaneSpeeking

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Considering that so many here claim the dole is so great I'm surprised you're not down at your local welfare office signing on.

Asked and answered ad nauseum.

Hitman3000

PlaneSpeeking wrote:

Asked and answered ad nauseum.

It hasn't been though.

Graces7

Signpost wrote: »

How can I discard all responsibilities get a bonus rather for existing rather than doing extra long hours every day, get a house with stables for free, free health care, free heating, free water etc? After spending this much of my life working like a bolix from 6am till god knows what time at night for others to have it so time to put the feet up and join the party. Maybe if enough people paying tax lay down tools they might actually give something back to the people paying for the rest to have a better life than themselves.

so go on. Try it. I give you a month to run screaming..