Bringing Children To Games

cms88

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/80-to-bring-a-16weekold-baby-to-the-allireland-final-tyrone-fan-slams-bizarre-gaa-ticket-policy-37211641.html

What do other posters think of this story doing the rounds?

I can never understand why people bring children that young to games. For one the child will not understand what is going on at all, the noise at a football match, especially an All Ireland final would be very daunting for any child especially one that young. I also can never understand why parents seem to think they've a right to being their children for free.

Is this lady getting the story out there to fish for free entry for the child come All Ireland final day? Is it another attention seeking stunt to try and get her way? Or is it just another weak news article aimed to have a pot shot at the GAA?

ProudDUB

What part of "she is breast feeding her child, so she didn't want to leave him at home" didn't you get?

Markcheese

Can you imagine the number of lads Who'd be making out their "infant" 15 year old will be sitting on their lap....
Shure if she'd put the child in a sling, under her coat no-one would have known anyway...

Keano

Markcheese wrote: »

Can you imagine the number of lads Who'd be making out their "infant" 15 year old will be sitting on their lap....
Shure if she'd put the child in a sling, under her coat no-one would have known anyway...

Wouldn't be very safe going through the turnstiles and something happen...

Derek Zoolander

ProudDUB wrote: »

What part of "she is breast feeding her child, so she didn't want to leave him at home" didn't you get?

she can express milk at 16 weeks with no problem...

you can be sure the child hasn't expressed any desire to be at the game. Its selfish parenting full stop.

She doesn't want to miss out herself..

NIMAN

I'll say it early, anyone bringing a 16 week baby to a game is an idiot.

For me, you are a bad parent putting your own wishes in front of your new baby.

Some people need to accept that once you have a new baby, your life has to change.

Should have watched it at home.

cms88

ProudDUB wrote: »

What part of "she is breast feeding her child, so she didn't want to leave him at home" didn't you get?

Then don;t go to the game simple. Just because she has a child i don't see why the world has to accommodate her. She can't have every way, either don't go to the game or pay for the child

bee06

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

she can express milk at 16 weeks with no problem...

you can be sure the child hasn't expressed any desire to be at the game. Its selfish parenting full stop.

She doesn't want to miss out herself..

Not all breastfed babies will take a bottle.

That being said, I wouldn’t do it with my little fella. The noise and crowds would be way too much.

Keano

NIMAN wrote: »

I'll say it early, anyone bringing a 16 week baby to a game is an idiot.

For me, you are a bad parent putting your own wishes in front of your new baby.

Some people need to accept that once you have a new baby, your life has to change.

Should have watched it at home.

Sure why is she allowed out of the house in the first place. Husband should be fined for letting her out.

cms88

NIMAN wrote: »

I'll say it early, anyone bringing a 16 week baby to a game is an idiot.

For me, you are a bad parent putting your own wishes in front of your new baby.

Some people need to accept that once you have a new baby, your life has to change.

Should have watched it at home.

But in this new modern world parnets think everyone else should change for them

NIMAN

Keano wrote: »

Sure why is she allowed out of the house in the first place. Husband should be fined for letting her out.

I don't hate mothers. I'm married to one!

But my wife would never have considered taking a small child to a big event. There's a place for a 16 week old breast feeding child, and it's not at a major sporting event just cos the ma wants to go.

Again, another modern phenomenon. Wouldn't have happened a decade or two ago, but now people are entitled to do things, no matter how silly they are.

Keano

NIMAN wrote: »

I don't hate mothers. I'm married to one!

But my wife would never have considered taking a small child to a big event. There's a place for a 16 week old breast feeding child, and it's not at a major sporting event just cos the ma wants to go.

Again, another modern phenomenon. Wouldn't have happened a decade or two ago, but now people are entitled to do things, no matter how silly they are.

It's her choice to go where she wants with her baby. Chances are the baby will be in a sling so will be attached to her the whole time. Do I think it's the right place for a baby, no but that they want her to pay €80 is a joke.

yop

Is this 1940..... Hoping lads are pulling the pi$$ on these posts, otherwise lads you really need to get out more.

NIMAN

Keano wrote: »

It's her choice to go where she wants with her baby. Chances are the baby will be in a sling so will be attached to her the whole time. Do I think it's the right place for a baby, no but that they want her to pay €80 is a joke.

I know it's her choice, I'm just saying it was the wrong choice!

I am not even arguing abiut buying the ticket for the child. To be there is a bigger issue than that. And that's her selfishness.

I bet if she told her family and friends she was taking her child to the game, every one of them would have thought " sweet jesus, you're doing what?" probably not actually said to her, but that's what most sane people would think.

greenspurs

cms88 wrote: »

But in this new modern world parnets think everyone else should change for them

Mothers have breast fed babies since the year dot .? So that's hardly a new addition to the 'modern world' ??

(but I don't agree that she should be bringing an infant to a major sporting event)

Hidalgo

Keano wrote: »

It's her choice to go where she wants with her baby. Chances are the baby will be in a sling so will be attached to her the whole time. Do I think it's the right place for a baby, no but that they want her to pay €80 is a joke.

So at what age should parents be allowed bring kids to games for free till??
Do you get a passport for the child??

There's always complaints about €80 for kids for the All Irl which is steep, but in fairness it's only a fiver to bring them to semi finals. And all league games (at group stages at least) are free to U16s. All in all, that's not bad going

Keano

NIMAN wrote: »

I know it's her choice, I'm just saying it was the wrong choice!

I am not even arguing abiut buying the ticket for the child. To be there is a bigger issue than that. And that's her selfishness.

I bet if she told her family and friends she was taking her child to the game, every one of them would have thought " sweet jesus, you're doing what?" probably not actually said to her, but that's what most sane people would think.

But we don't know her circumstances though, she may not have anyone to mind the child etc

greenspurs

Hidalgo wrote: »

So at what age should parents be allowed bring kids to games for free till??
Do you get a passport for the child??

There's always complaints about €80 for kids for the All Irl which is steep, but in fairness it's only a fiver to bring them to semi finals. And all league games (at group stages at least) are free to U16s. All in all, that's not bad going

What about charging €80 for a seat at the final anyway !!!! :eek:

NIMAN

Keano wrote: »

But we don't know her circumstances though, she may not have anyone to mind the child etc

Sorry, but there's an obvious thing to do so.

It involves her house and a TV.

bruschi

Keano wrote: »

But we don't know her circumstances though, she may not have anyone to mind the child etc

but just dont go to it. It's a sacrifice, but thats what happens when you have children. I'm not even a mother, but I've missed plenty of club and county games because of my kids. They take priority, not going to watch your county play no matter how big a game it is. Is this her first child?

Keano

Hidalgo wrote: »

So at what age should parents be allowed bring kids to games for free till??
Do you get a passport for the child??

There's always complaints about €80 for kids for the All Irl which is steep, but in fairness it's only a fiver to bring them to semi finals. And all league games (at group stages at least) are free to U16s. All in all, that's not bad going

Airlines have the right idea, any child over 2 needs a seat. If you take a chance and try be smart and especially on All Ireland Final day's you are going to end up with you child on your lap for the whole game.

Bottom of the article;

In rugby, the IRFU have a policy that children under the age of two do not need a ticket to attend games at the Aviva Stadium.

So this all about money for the GAA. Nothing else.

ProudDUB

Keano wrote: »

Airlines have the right idea, any child over 2 needs a seat. If you take a chance and try be smart and especially on All Ireland Final day's you are going to end up with you child on your lap for the whole game.

Bottom of the article;

In rugby, the IRFU have a policy that children under the age of two do not need a ticket to attend games at the Aviva Stadium.

So this all about money for the GAA. Nothing else.

Bingo.

Utterly disgraceful carry on by this so called mother, wanting to lead a relatively normal life with her child. She should be locked up in the Home For Bad Mothers and a strap taken to her, like the good old days when de wimmen were not seen and not heard. That'll soften her cough...:rolleyes:

yop

ProudDUB wrote: »

Bingo.

Utterly disgraceful carry on by this so called mother, wanting to lead a relatively normal life with her child. She should be locked up in the Home For Bad Mothers and a strap taken to her, like the good old days when de wimmen were not seen and not heard. That'll soften her cough...:rolleyes:

In one. The GAA are the only org I have now seen bring this ruling in. Ironically its the only stage of the full years program now, so if its legally challenged it will be thrown out.
Soccer, Rugby at any stadium through out this country and many more.

I actually brought my son to a Mayo match on Sunday, he was probably only 5-6 weeks old, my wife had him all week when I was away working. So I wanted to bring him with me as I hadn't seen him and I wanted to give her a break.

So tell me, what if a father wants to go to the game, is a season ticket holder and has full attendance at all the games, has no relations to mind the child as they are all fans and will be there also and his wife is working and he has to bring his child..... whats your caveman view on that then?

Fr Tod Umptious

Brought all our children to games when my wife was breast feeding.

The notion that "sure can't she express" is too simplified, all situations are different.
If we could have left them at home we would have.

Never had a problem paying for an extra ticket either.
That's the rules then that's the rules
It makes sense.

Small babies sleep a lot and are oblivious to noise around them.

If a baby is uncomfortable in the surroundings of the seats then any good patents would take them out to the concourse to settle them, for the babies sake and for the sake of other patrons.

Stopped bringing the kids when they were toddlers as they are too active at that stage and won't stay settled in the seat, but as they grew up and got an interest in the game they started coming again.

This type of story appears this time every year when someone has the necessity to bring a baby and does not know they need a ticket.

yop

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Brought all our children to games when my wife was breast feeding.

The notion that "sure can't she express" is too simplified, all situations are different.
If we could have left them at home we would have.

Never had a problem paying for an extra ticket either.
That's the rules then that's the rules
It makes sense.

Small babies sleep a lot and are oblivious to noise around them.

If a baby is uncomfortable in the surroundings of the seats then any good patents would take them out to the concourse to settle them, for the babies sake and for the sake of other patrons.

Stopped bringing the kids when they were toddlers as they are too active at that stage and won't stay settled in the seat, but as they grew up and got an interest in the game they started coming again.

This type of story appears this time every year when someone has the necessity to bring a baby and does not know they need a ticket.

Babys weren't required to have a ticket until this year. Thats the big issue here.

Fr Tod Umptious

yop wrote: »

Babys weren't required to have a ticket until this year. Thats the big issue here.

Oh they absolutely were.

We had to get a ticket for our eldest way back in 2007 when she was a few months old.

Dannyriver

yop wrote: »

Is this 1940..... Hoping lads are pulling the pi$$ on these posts, otherwise lads you really need to get out more.

I was thinking the same thing, if she wants to bring her child to the match it's her own business and GAA charging 80 quid for a 'seat' that isn't a 'seat' is a load of bollix and she s right to call them out on it.

Green&Red

This came up recently with my brother and his 4yo who likes to go to matches with him.
Going down to Semple Stadium he went to buy a ticket and found out children under 5 (I think but could be 7) were free in. This was a championship match.
Then we’re going to the Kildare v Mayo U-20 final, same day as Dubs v Rossies and he’s told at the turn stiles he needs a ticket for H&S reasons.
Now the ticket was only €5 and I could buy it on my phone immediately so it wasn’t an issue.
But how is it one rule for Semple and one for Croker?

TomsOnTheRoof

As I can see it the issue isn't breastfeeding, rather it's health and safety. A crowded stadium is not an appropriate place for a 16 week old baby, whether it's strapped to its mother or not.

The faux outrage is symptomatic of modern society. A child is far more precious than a bloody game and putting it in a situation where the risk of injury is heightened is not just irresponsible, it's downright selfish. What if the day is a scorcher? Or it pisses out of the heavens.

If the GAA are to be ridiculed over anything here it's that they allow children enter the ground at such a young age in the first place. There's a big difference between bringing an infant to a local club match with a couple of hundred spectators and bringing them to Croke Park on All Ireland final day.

This is not a women's rights issue. The GAA are not some malevolent agent of the patriarchy secretly working to suppress gender equality. Parents make sacrifices. It's that simple. The child's well-being supersedes the parents desire to treat them as an accessory on All Ireland final and parade them around social media in their replica jerseys.

Rant over.

kollegeknight

In the past I brought my 3month old daughter to matches in cussack Park in ennis both league and championship and no problems.

Regarding the noise, we have baby earmuffs for loud situations.

I bought them in London years ago but I heard someone saying Argos sell them now.

cms88

Keano wrote: »

But we don't know her circumstances though, she may not have anyone to mind the child etc

Well there's a pretty simple answer if that's the case

cms88

greenspurs wrote: »

Mothers have breast fed babies since the year dot .? So that's hardly a new addition to the 'modern world' ??

(but I don't agree that she should be bringing an infant to a major sporting event)

Where did i say anything about breast feeding? It's about modern parents thinking the world should stop to suit them

ProudDUB

TomsOnTheRoof wrote: »

As I can see it the issue isn't breastfeeding, rather it's health and safety. A crowded stadium is not an appropriate place for a 16 week old baby, whether it's strapped to its mother or not.

The faux outrage is symptomatic of modern society. A child is far more precious than a bloody game and putting it in a situation where the risk of injury is heightened is not just irresponsible, it's downright selfish. What if the day is a scorcher? Or it pisses out of the heavens.

If the GAA are to be ridiculed over anything here it's that they allow children enter the ground at such a young age in the first place. There's a big difference between bringing an infant to a local club match with a couple of hundred spectators and bringing them to Croke Park on All Ireland final day.

This is not a women's rights issue. The GAA are not some malevolent agent of the patriarchy secretly working to suppress gender equality. Parents make sacrifices. It's that simple. The child's well-being supersedes the parents desire to treat them as an accessory on All Ireland final and parade them around social media in their replica jerseys.

Rant over.

So what are parents supposed to do? Lock them up until their kids are 18? Make all mammys stay home with their kids until they are old enough to ride a bike, or walk to school on their own, or rob apples from the orchard?

The woman incubated another human being inside her own body for 9 months. I think I'll trust her - and all parents - to do their own risk management assement and decide for themselves whether their child is at risk from a bit of rain, or the sorching 100 degree weather that Ireland is famous for in September.

The Aviva's policy of allowing babes in arms under 2 into stadium at no charge/ticketless, is spot on. Making someone pay for a ticket that won't even be used is beyond stupid, especially if the game is a final or a sellout.

cms88

ProudDUB wrote: »

So what are parents supposed to do? Lock them up until their kids are 18? Make all mammys stay home with their kids until they are old enough to ride a bike, or walk to school on their own, or rob apples from the orchard?

The woman incubated another human being inside her own body for 9 months. I think I'll trust her - and all parents - to do their own risk management assement and decide for themselves whether their child is at risk from a bit of rain, or the sorching 100 degree weather that Ireland is famous for in September.

The Aviva's policy is spot policy on, by allowing babes in arms under 2 into stadium at no charge/ticketless. Making someone pay for a ticket that won't even be used is beyond stupid, especially if the game is a final or a sellout.

Where is anyone saying anything like that? One thing i'm really sick of is parents and their sob stories about how the world is out to get them

StupidLikeAFox

I think that Croke Park don't want thousands of infants at this game but equally (from a PR perspective) don't want to come out and say "we don't want babies in our stadium". They make up this rule to discourage people bringing their infants in the hopes that most people will just say **** that and stay at home.

Wonder will this grow legs and force another statement/climbdown from HQ? Either way the PR team are earning their money this summer (or not depending on how you look at it)

ProudDUB

cms88 wrote: »

Where is anyone saying anything like that? One thing i'm really sick of is parents and their sob stories about how the world is out to get them

The post I quoted - if you bothered to read it - referenced the weather.

iamwhoiam

ProudDUB wrote: »

So what are parents supposed to do? Lock them up until their kids are 18? Make all mammys stay home with their kids until they are old enough to ride a bike, or walk to school on their own, or rob apples from the orchard?

The woman incubated another human being inside her own body for 9 months. I think I'll trust her - and all parents - to do their own risk management assement and decide for themselves whether their child is at risk from a bit of rain, or the sorching 100 degree weather that Ireland is famous for in September.

The Aviva's policy of allowing babes in arms under 2 into stadium at no charge/ticketless, is spot on. Making someone pay for a ticket that won't even be used is beyond stupid, especially if the game is a final or a sellout.

Get them minded ? Like we all did .

cms88

ProudDUB wrote: »

The post I quoted - if you bothered to read it - referenced the weather.

Answer my question as to why parents think the world should change them? Or why they think said world is also out to ge them?

Miley Byrne

I honestly don't see what this lady is moaning about. I can't get my head around it. She is obviously a huge Tyrone fan and doesn't want to miss the match. Well if it means that much to her she's gonna have to pay the €80 to have her infant with her. If she feel this is too expensive then she can stay at home. (She could always take the infant to the pub I suppose but that's a discussion for another day). Personally I wouldn't take a 16 week infant to an All-Ireland final if the GAA were paying me €80 to do it.

The sense of entitlement in this country is gone stone mad lately if you ask me

ProudDUB

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Get them minded ? Like we all did .

Why should she have to? If she and the child are physically capable of enjoying a day out in Croke Park, then more power to them. No one here should be lecturing her about whether or not it is safe or right to take a child to Croke Park. Thousands of kids - young and old - have been to games there and come to no harm, including the children of players as young as new borns. Who has any right to tell them their kids should be left at home? I certainly don't.

The issue is the requirement to buy a ticket. She should not be forced to purchase a ticket for a seat, if that the child will not be occuping that seat. If the child does require its own seat, then yes, a ticket should be required for him or her. If an airline can have and implement such a rule without much hassle, why can't a stadium? A plane is a 2 ton metal tub, filled with explosive fuel and flown 30,000 up in the air, yet I don't see anyone telling people that it is unsafe to take their kids on a plane. It is a ridiculous suggestion, as it telling someone she should not go to Croke Park and stay at home and mind her child. Such attitudes belong in the stone age.

iamwhoiam

ProudDUB wrote: »

Why should she have to? If she and the child are physically capable of enjoying a day out in Croke Park, then more power to them. No one here should be lecturing her about whether or not it is safe or right to take a child to Croke Park. Thousands of kids - young and old - have been to games there and come to no harm, including the children of players as young as new borns. Who has any right to tell them their kids should be left at home? I certainly don't.

The issue is the requirement to buy a ticket. She should not be forced to purchase a ticket for a seat, if that the child will not be occuping that seat. If the child does require its own seat, then yes, a ticket should be required for him or her. If an airline can have and implement such a rule without much hassle, why can't a stadium? A plane is a 2 ton metal tub, filled with explosive fuel and flown 30,000 up in the air, yet I don't see anyone telling people that it is unsafe to take their kids on a plane. It is a ridiculous suggestion, as it telling someone she should not go to Croke Park and stay at home and mind her child. Such attitudes belong in the stone age.

My answer was to a post that asked what a parent was meant to do . At no stage did I dictate who should or shouldn't choose options . But there are options other than a mother staying at home like the post implied

cms88

ProudDUB wrote: »

Why should she have to? If she and the child are physically capable of enjoying a day out in Croke Park, then more power to them. No one here should be lecturing her about whether or not it is safe or right to take a child to Croke Park. Thousands of kids - young and old - have been to games there and come to no harm, including the children of players as young as new borns. Who has any right to tell them their kids should be left at home? I certainly don't.

The issue is the requirement to buy a ticket. She should not be forced to purchase a ticket for a seat, if that the child will not be occuping that seat. If the child does require its own seat, then yes, a ticket should be required for him or her. If an airline can have and implement such a rule without much hassle, why can't a stadium? A plane is a 2 ton metal tub, filled with explosive fuel and flown 30,000 up in the air, yet I don't see anyone telling people that it is unsafe to take their kids on a plane. It is a ridiculous suggestion, as it telling someone she should not go to Croke Park and stay at home and mind her child. Such attitudes belong in the stone age.

No one is forcing her to buy a ticket for the child are they? IS she being forced into bringing the child?

There's a very simple answer to this, but alass like many things nowadays when its an answer people don't like they'll go off and sulk about it

Dannyriver

cms88 wrote: »

Answer my question as to why parents think the world should change them? Or why they think said world is also out to ge them?

What are you even talking about, 'parents think the world is out to get them' blanket statement alert. She wants to bring her child to the match for whatever reasons , it's by no means a health and safety issue, the child will not be occupying a seat bar the seat that is her person. She will have paid for her own seat, she shouldn't have to pay extra. Simple really.

StupidLikeAFox

Miley Byrne wrote: »

I honestly don't see what this lady is moaning about. I can't get my head around it. She is obviously a huge Tyrone fan and doesn't want to miss the match. Well if it means that much to her she's gonna have to pay the €80 to have her infant with her. If she feel this is too expensive then she can stay at home. (She could always take the infant to the pub I suppose but that's a discussion for another day). Personally I wouldn't take a 16 week infant to an All-Ireland final if the GAA were paying me €80 to do it.

The sense of entitlement in this country is gone stone mad lately if you ask me

I think people are making the point that if it's a health and safety issue they should come out and say no babies allowed as it's too crowded or whatever.

If it isn't a health and safety issue, and babies are welcome, then there is no logic in having someone pay for a seat that won't be used.

cms88

Dannyriver wrote: »

What are you even talking about, 'parents think the world is out to get them' blanket statement alert. She wants to bring her child to the match for whatever reasons , it's by no means a health and safety issue, the child will not be occupying a seat bar the seat that is her person. She will have paid for her own seat, she shouldn't have to pay extra. Simple really.

It's not really. We keep hearing parents complain and moan about how everyone is out to get them airlines, hotels etc This is just another example of it.

If she wants to bring her child that's fine, but she has to pay. It's pretty simple she has a child so she thinks she's entitled to be able to bring it in for free. Why is that?

splinter65

Keano wrote: »

Sure why is she allowed out of the house in the first place. Husband should be fined for letting her out.

I don’t think anyone here mentioned her husband. What’s her husband got to do with anything. She may not be in possession of such a thing as a husband. They’re not compulsory you know.

TomsOnTheRoof

ProudDUB wrote: »

Why should she have to? If she and the child are physically capable of enjoying a day out in Croke Park, then more power to them. No one here should be lecturing her about whether or not it is safe or right to take a child to Croke Park. Thousands of kids - young and old - have been to games there and come to no harm, including the children of players as young as new borns. Who has any right to tell them their kids should be left at home? I certainly don't.

The issue is the requirement to buy a ticket. She should not be forced to purchase a ticket for a seat, if that the child will not be occuping that seat. If the child does require its own seat, then yes, a ticket should be required for him or her. If an airline can have and implement such a rule without much hassle, why can't a stadium? A plane is a 2 ton metal tub, filled with explosive fuel and flown 30,000 up in the air, yet I don't see anyone telling people that it is unsafe to take their kids on a plane. It is a ridiculous suggestion, as it telling someone she should not go to Croke Park and stay at home and mind her child. Such attitudes belong in the stone age.

Touching as that sentiment is there are hundreds of instances in every day life where the presence of young children is restricted due to health and safety concerns. Parents do not always know best, as is illustrated constantly nowadays.

And it makes perfect sense to pay for a ticket. If the parent is foolhardy enough to bring the child to the game at least there will be some elbow room. That way the child is afforded some modicum of protection and other supporters won't have to concern themselves with knocking against them every time there's a bit of excitement.

Dannyriver

cms88 wrote: »

It's not really. We keep hearing parents complain and moan about how everyone is out to get them airlines, hotels etc This is just another example of it.

If she wants to bring her child that's fine, but she has to pay. It's pretty simple she has a child so she thinks she's entitled to be able to bring it in for free. Why is that?

We don t keep hearing parents complain its just that parents that don t complain tend not to be news worthy the same as peaceful law abiding people teenagers/immigrants/Muslims/travelers, whoever, are not news worthy so we don't hear about them either. Because its in the news doesn't make it an epidemic.

As for the second part she has bought her ticket her child is not requiring a seat as he/she will be stuck on to her. The GAA are asinine to not recognize this. The cost to come down from Tyrone etc is pricey enough without the added expence.

yabadabado

If a parent wants to bring their baby to game that's their prerogative but anyone entering the match should have a ticket.Pay for a ticket or don't go.
At what age do you stop a kid coming in to sit on their parents knee?

Dannyriver

yabadabado wrote: »

If a parent wants to bring their baby to game that's their prerogative but anyone entering the match should have a ticket.Pay for a ticket or don't go.
At what age do you stop a kid coming in to sit on their parents knee?

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yabadabado

Dannyriver wrote: »

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Do you have to show the kids ID or bring the birth cert ?

But my 4 year old is tiny.I want them to come in for free.
It's a disgrace Joe, they letting in 3 year olds who are twice the size of my kid.