The Curse of Defective Concrete (Mica, Pyrrhotite, etc.) in Donegal homes - Read Mod warning Post 1

malinheader

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118253710#Comment_118253710

RTE will have been told to stop reporting on it as they are told how to report the scheme. Nearly every time it was mentioned yesterday by rte the 420,000 cap was mentioned and no word of price per sq/ft.

I would also bet Charlie has been told he will be looked after with a nice little position after this is over as his political career in Donegal is finished. Maybe a zapone position.

ahusband

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118251355#Comment_118251355

Ok, I'll bite,

Your house stands you €100k, is worth € 80k based on your assessment of sale price of similar dwelling.

Lets assume that there is still the €90k outstanding on the Mortgage that you took out, ie you have not paid anything off it.

You state the rebuild grant caps you at € 167k, so € 67k more than your actual outlay ever was.

You state the rebuild cost according to SCSI to be € 173k or €180k your own figure

So there is a shortfall of €6k to € 13k ?

Not a dissimilar figure that will conceivably be levied on a new build to fund the rebuild of your house, I'm honestly struggling to see how you should be shielded from that, yes its not you fault, but its not my fault either, yet you want a completely free get out whilst don't care that the likes of me will have to shoulder the increased cost?

ahusband

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118252262#Comment_118252262

How does the tax payer paying 100% or even ten times that of the rebuild cost punish the block maker?

SBourgaize

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118254812#Comment_118254812

Actually the shortfall is closer to 46k to 53k, as demolition and removal costs are not included.

I paid 100k, while a rebuild is 180k, yes. That is generally what happens to new builds in an area that has a massive crash in house prices.

I may have paid less than the cost to rebuild, but I cannot tell the builders "well I paid 100k, so I'm not paying any more than that to rebuild".

awec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118253710#Comment_118253710

The government are putting limits and scales in because nobody, other than the campaign itself and some noisy people on twitter want to see them giving blank cheques and 100% redress.

This is the uncomfortable truth for all those involved.

The people fronting this campaign need to read the room.

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118255835#Comment_118255835

Read post no. 1 before posting in this thread again.

RandomViewer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118254817#Comment_118254817

This isn't Donegal County Councils first rodeo, tribunal needed

ahusband

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118255106#Comment_118255106

So I presume you'd be happy with your 100k back and a council house to put a roof over your head.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260781#Comment_118260781

Why would anyone be happy with less than they started with?

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260781#Comment_118260781

Not sure if that's even a serious question.

SBourgaize

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260781#Comment_118260781

I just want my current house, but safe.

malinheader

Great to come home in the evening and listen to a bit of comedy.

Firstly our own Charlie on Highland refusing to answer straight questions but saying foundations will be tested and extra money allocated if foundation found to be bad. But clearly states on the scheme that foundation will not be included. He's surely been hung out to dry.

And then Pat Kenny crying about tax payers money. Really Pat Kenny, how many tax payers did it take to pay his wages in Rte and he's some neck after the crying he done about someone building close to his own mansion. Pure comedy.

jj880

Charlie is getting roasted everywhere. Hes finished in Donegal. How can a man turn against his own neighbours and county so badly? Its not just this scheme - he's shafted fisherman and farmers too. Its incredible. He must be on some promise from FF for after the next election.

Ronan|Raven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256043#Comment_118256043

So just only say what the forum wants to hear? No disenting voices from anyone?

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118265622#Comment_118265622

It doesn't say that in Post 1, no.

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118265622#Comment_118265622

Read through the thread from post no. 1 onwards and then come back and tell us where a different opinion or viewpoint wasnt allowed.

You might also want to read the forum charter.

VillageIdiot71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260947#Comment_118260947

Because it’s more than they have today, and the people paying to give them that benefit aren’t at fault?

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266895#Comment_118266895

I'm not happy that anyone has to pay for this. The people that should be are the block manufacturers, the insurance companies and the banks. That's not happening...so here we are...again. These discussions are going round in circles.

ahusband

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260947#Comment_118260947

He started with a house that cost him €100k, I asked if he would be happy with €100k plus a house, that's more than he started with.

Its not really my or anyone elses fault that his €100k house will cost € 200k plus to rebuild, funny seeing as the €100k included buying the land its built on and all.

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266989#Comment_118266989

€100k + a house isnt part of the redress scheme and is pure fantasy so we can drop that line please.

ahusband

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267031#Comment_118267031

Getting 2.3 times what you paid is also fantasy, can we drop that please, plus the redress line as it is misleading.

This is a grant to assist in a rebuild, not an insurance payment to reimburse you, nor a redress for a wrong.

The man paid €100k for a house worth €100k, the man should be happy with the €100k if that is the fair value of the house, mica or no mica, if he bought it sub value due to mica even you should be telling him to f away off out of looking for over market value.

Its also worth noting that there will have to be a substantial upmarking of the value of houses in the region for property tax, as residents are claiming properties to be worth multiples of the declared OMSP.

So, which is it worth? what you say it'll cost or what you say it'll sell for? seeing as you won't sell at a loss it has to be the cost figure.

This is something that I will be strongly petitioning for, as I feel it to be only fair that the LPT be levied at a value related to the allowed grant level for a minimum period of 20 years.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266989#Comment_118266989

Would you be happy? Genuinely? Try to put yourself in our position. It's not easy...but try.

Penfailed

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/donegal-town-dealing-with-mica-if-it-was-in-dublin-this-would-already-be-fixed-1.4746183

Good article in the Irish Times ^^^

There's a housing and mental health crisis coming down the line...on top of the existing housing and mental health crisis.

VillageIdiot71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267731#Comment_118267731

Do you really think its a good article? Do people really think "if this was in Dublin it would be fixed"? I don't think I've ever read an article so clearly depicting people living in a bubble.

"why should we have to spend more and more money rebuilding our house?” says one person. Why would anyone else have to pay more and more, if the person actually living in the property doesn't want to contribute?

What's missing from this coverage is any sense of "please, we're not presuming you don't have your own troubles, but can you help? I'm doing all I can to help myself". I'm not sure the author of this article is doing the campaign any favours.

Taking a step back, is there any explanation of how Donegal people were apparently able to build houses up to 1980, and then apparently lost the skill? Did people do something to houses traditionally, to protect them against the wet, that people stopped doing?

dzer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118266931#Comment_118266931

Hi

Why are the banks at fault?

muffler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267994#Comment_118267994

Mod: @VillageIdiot71 unless you change your signature to something that does not go against the mod instruction in post no. 1 you are not allowed any further posts in this thread.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267994#Comment_118267994

The proof is already there. 100% redress for pyrite houses in Leinster.

Lost the skill? Bar the issue with the blocks, there's nothing wrong with how my house was built.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118268016#Comment_118268016

Okay, maybe not the banks...even though we're still paying a mortgage on a worthless property.

muffler

@VillageIdiot71 I've given your signature some more thought. As its clearly there to troll and to circumvent the mod instructions in the OP you are now thread banned.

Ronan|Raven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118265905#Comment_118265905

I should know better than to post that.