Nvidia RTX Discussion

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Ars Technica's review is up.

Pretty much meh on the 2080 and powerful but too expensive on the 2080 ti.

Venom

Deleted User wrote: »

The 2080Ti is a beast but way too expensive for your average gamer. 2080 only marginally faster than a 1080Ti.

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Ars Technica's review is up.

Pretty much meh on the 2080 and powerful but too expensive on the 2080 ti.

I've always felt that anyone with a 1080 Ti would be out of their mind upgrading to these new cards but even with that frame of mind, I honestly expected way more of an FPS boost than what seems to be the case with the 20XX series. It will be very interesting to see what the performance hit with ray-tracing on is going to be.

BArra

so the bottom line is a 2080 is slightly faster than a 1080ti, and the 2080ti is 30/40% faster but at a significant price point

I am in the market for a gpu so looks like I need to wait for a good deal on a 1080ti

btkm8unsl0w5r4

If you have a 1080ti the 2080 was always going to be a lateral move, the 2080ti is a animal but you pay big time. Man maths is needed, however I personally could teach advanced man math in a university.

I am not really interesting in the performance hit with ray-tracing on, I am more interested in the look improvements.

hardware Cannucks data, big numbers all the same.

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Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement wrote: »

If you have a 1080ti the 2080 was always going to be a lateral move

The issue for me is it's a lateral move that costs €200. That's really not a good look.

Dcully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDrpsv0QIR0

My eye was on the 2080 but not anymore, only 9% faster at best and in many cases it is beaten by the 1080ti.
Price : Performance not good for these rtx cards.

K.O.Kiki

BArra wrote: »

so the bottom line is a 2080 is slightly faster than a 1080ti, and the 2080ti is 30/40% faster but at a significant price point

I am in the market for a gpu so looks like I need to wait for a good deal on a 1080ti

You just missed the boat on EVGA's bundle sale which included an EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G2 PSU for €770.

There's an Inno3D card for €676 on eBuyer https://www.ebuyer.com/807456-inno3d-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-x2-graphics-card-n108t-1sdn-q6mn

BArra

I did see the bundle deals with EVGA but I wanted to hold back until the 20xx benchmarks came out, it seems also that there were better deals when they just released the bundles, as they sold more and more the bundles shifted to 1200PSUs at a higher price point

Ideally, I would be looking at brands with decent warranty and secondly looks, have gone for a fairly black build

Would love an EVGA 1080TI hybrid FTW3, but amazon has been £844 for ages with no sign of dropping, and its been removed from EVGA's own website

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/duckpond/saved/By3xYJ

K.O.Kiki

BArra wrote: »

I did see the bundle deals with EVGA but I wanted to hold back until the 20xx benchmarks came out, it seems also that there were better deals when they just released the bundles, as they sold more and more the bundles shifted to 1200PSUs at a higher price point

Ideally, I would be looking at brands with decent warranty and secondly looks, have gone for a fairly black build

Would love an EVGA 1080TI hybrid FTW3, but amazon has been £844 for ages with no sign of dropping, and its been removed from EVGA's own website

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/duckpond/saved/By3xYJ

Just roll your own with an Arctic or NZXT bracket; they're not hard to put on.
But do some research on whether the PCB you're buying is good first.

.G.

I've a 1080, was waiting to see the benchmarks. Can't stomach the ludicrous price of a 2080ti so I might just stick until next year or get a 1080ti for better 4k performance.

.G.

Although these guys are saying the 2080 is 25-30% faster at 4k than a 1080ti.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_2080_founders_review,40.html

Icyseanfitz

disappointing tbh, 2070 should be the card thats near 1080ti performance, was hoping the 2080 would be impressive and worth the 100-200 euro price hike over a 1080ti but its only around 10%. Ill hold onto my overclocked 1080ti for another generation i think

2080ti is a titan imo so the pricing makes it irrelevant to me even though the performance is nice.

Dcully

superg wrote: »

Although these guys are saying the 2080 is 25-30% faster at 4k than a 1080ti.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_2080_founders_review,40.html

While i didnt read the whole article they did say they were very similar just like all the other reviewers and benchmarks.

From that article:

Overall, the card (aside from some exceptions) sits in that 1080 Ti territory performance wise, sometimes a notch faster, and sometimes a notch slower.

tuxy

Works out fine for AIB partners and Nvidia so, they will have no problem selling off the large excess stock of 10xx chips and the few people with deep pockets will fork out for the 2080ti. Kind of what was expected all along.

.G.

Dcully wrote: »

While i didnt read the whole article they did say they were very similar just like all the other reviewers and benchmarks.

From that article:

I didn't read it either, just the final page of conclusions and in the gaming performance section they say :-

We're seeing some caps at lower resolution gaming, but for WQHD and Ultra HD, a next step in performance has been made. Depending on title and workload you'll see 25% to maybe even 30% performance increases in this specific resolution compared to the 1080 Ti.

Which is of course then followed further down the page by the quote you have so confusing to say the least.

TerrorFirmer

I honestly can't believe people were buying and pre-ordering these before benchmarks were even available. It's not exactly pocket change.

At this rate of price hikes gen-on-gen, in a few generations you'll have to sell one of the kids on the dark web to afford the class equivalent of a GTX1070.

Frankly the only cards I really care about this gen are the GTX1050/Ti replacements. Fascinating how they can squeeze such relatively great performance out of such small, low power cards. The 750Ti was a game-changer back in 2014 or whatever it was.

The 2080 results are a real let down. I really thought it would be a bigger margin. Let's hope when the RTX On figures are released that the performance isn't really crushed on them. People ain't going to like that.

Samuel T. Cogley

Bear in mind drivers need to mature and current games don't leverage integer. Not suggesting the 2080 is any sort of value though.

z0oT

The prices really are a killer.


I think I'll just change my 1070 for a discounted 1080Ti at a later date instead. Either that or see what AMD will have to offer in the near future.

Metric Tensor

Was hoping the 20 series would lead to a drop in prices on the lower model 1060s and 1070s but based on the test results and the long wait for what will probably be less than spectacular 2060 and 2070 results I'm guessing the prices will stay at current levels.

I can't see stock levels of 1080Ti's staying high for much longer.

Calibos

It'd be hilarious and terribly underhanded of nVidia if all their over produced Pascal dies now got used up and sold with the rush of 1080ti orders after the release of these reviews......only for a month or two down the line for them to come out with a press release saying they achieved some amazing efficiency gains with new drivers which enabled a 2080 and 2080ti to perform 30% better again as compared to the 1080ti.

tuxy

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I honestly can't believe people were buying and pre-ordering these before benchmarks were even available. It's not exactly pocket change.

Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement has kindly explained this process for us!

Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement wrote: »

If you have a 1080ti the 2080 was always going to be a lateral move, the 2080ti is a animal but you pay big time. Man maths is needed, however I personally could teach advanced man math in a university.

TitianGerm

Metric Tensor wrote: »

Was hoping the 20 series would lead to a drop in prices on the lower model 1060s and 1070s but based on the test results and the long wait for what will probably be less than spectacular 2060 and 2070 results I'm guessing the prices will stay at current levels.

I got a 1060 6GB and a power supply unit and powerlink for €300 from EVGA last weekend.

It's my first build but I thought that was very cheap?

Venom

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I honestly can't believe people were buying and pre-ordering these before benchmarks were even available. It's not exactly pocket change.

At this rate of price hikes gen-on-gen, in a few generations you'll have to sell one of the kids on the dark web to afford the class equivalent of a GTX1070.

Frankly the only cards I really care about this gen are the GTX1050/Ti replacements. Fascinating how they can squeeze such relatively great performance out of such small, low power cards. The 750Ti was a game-changer back in 2014 or whatever it was.

Don't forget these are only the reference design card prices! I'd bet the AIB cards will easily add another 100-200 quid to the price of the top tier brand flagship products.

ED E

GNs point that going two fan might hurt the budget AIBs is interesting.

Metric Tensor

TitianGerm wrote: »

I got a 1060 6GB and a power supply unit and powerlink for €300 from EVGA last weekend.

It's my first build but I thought that was very cheap?

It is cheap when it comes to the current price of graphics cards, which are still, imho, overpriced due to a combination of legacy crypto issues, high ram prices and nVidia having no competition in the gaming GPU market.


What I had been hoping for, stupidly of course, is that the forced obsolescence of the 20xx cards would have the 10xx cards being heavily discounted!


Edit: I had also hoped that this EVGA deal was a precurser to other brands reducing prices and selling GPUs on their own rather than bundled with other things. I think now that is unlikely and based on nothing but the way the wind is blowing I wouldn't be terribly surprised if nVidia skipped the 2050/2060/2070 generation altogether and waited for the 2150/60/70.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Its interesting reading the reviews. Opinions vary a lot and the whole value thing is muddying the waters.

In my opinion Nvidia released 2080 and 2080ti neither are intended as a value card. A lot of giving out that mostly revolves around the performance not being worth the upgrade and the 1080ti being better value.....soooo...if thats the case then Nvidia has a value proposition that will satisfy the value gamer, very nicely indeed. The 1080ti has become the new 1070.

The 2080ti has stellar performance, but a very high price. It also has a lot of new features (whether these become useful is up in the air, but honestly they will). THis appeals to the eye candy addict and seems to anger the FPS addict, the fact it can be turned off doesnt count. DLSS seems to negate the performance hit on ray tracing so time will tell.

There is always a law of diminishing returns at the bleeding edge. In any other technology to get 10% faster, or 10% better looking costs 100% more, this is accepted, and only those with the means, wishes and will to get that will pay for it. Over time this gold standard trickles down.

There are a lot of gamers out there buying these cards, and as unpalatable as it may seem to some, cost is not an issue for them. For instance I had SLI 1080's and nobody gave out, now I can get better performance and new features on a single card that costs less but everyone is loosing it that anyone would consider buying one.

As for pre ordering I understand why you shouldn't, but when I have my cards in my greesy hands next week and flog my 1080ti I will be 800 euro into the new card and happy to have the latest and greatest, which it was always going to be, and which was always my goal. I can already play games at max settings, the upgrade is because I like hardware, and I like eye candy, and I like quality new things.

In this day and age people, myself included are worried about any shows of consumerism or political incorrectness. People take things personally. I got eaten alive on the motors forum recently for suggesting 10k was not a lot to spend on a car ( which its not). THis is not a mass appeal product, and it seems Nvidia are haveing trouble mass producing it too, the launch was rushes, and the games are not there to support the new features. Reminds me of VR, but didnt stop people buying that kit.

PC hardware is not a socialist ideal world, its a business, and if there is a market for something there will be a product to fill that void.

K.O.Kiki

4K Star Wars demo

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Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement wrote: »

There is always a law of diminishing returns at the bleeding edge. In any other technology to get 10% faster, or 10% better looking costs 100% more, this is accepted, and only those with the means, wishes and will to get that will pay for it. Over time this gold standard trickles down.

These cards aren't branded as Halo products Fitz (that'd be the Titan). They're branded as next gen enthusiast cards - but at an unusually steep markup.

This impression really matters here and it's why Nvidia look like they're abusing a dominant market position by squeezing consumers to compensate for overproduction on their last gen cards.

On top of that, the bells and whistles that they're touting as the next big jump aren't all that appealing right now.

As a thought experiment, imagine their ray tracing and DLSS features being available as a discrete addon card at 200-300 euro - I wouldn't be rushing out to buy one at the moment. Ditto for a GTX 2080 TI at 300 less without the ray tracing/DLSS - and those are both more appealing proposition than the current state of play.

Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement wrote: »

Reminds me of VR, but didnt stop people buying that kit.

VR had considerably more appeal (and greater hooks in the popular imagination) than slightly shinier graphics. It was also cheaper to get into, and wasn't a massive transformative success (I'm guessing most of us here don't own a rig, or haven't used it in a couple of years). Nor was it a major design feature of the next gen of cards with a massive price mark up. It was an optional add on. :P

Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement wrote: »

PC hardware is not a socialist ideal world, its a business, and if there is a market for something there will be a product to fill that void.

At the same time, businesses aren't infallible and corporate reputation matters - I wouldn't be surprised to see perceived price gouging backfiring badly for Nvidia in the longer term. It doesn't take many dud products for the shine to come off a brand leader company.