Nvidia RTX Discussion

Mr Crispy

Only catching up with this issue now. Is it prevalent to both the 5090 and 5080, or limited to just the higher powered card?

Slutmonkey57b

There are a number of factors at play really.

1. They've failed to properly protect the junction between the connector and the board (1 resistor for all 6 power wires instead of 3 minimum).
2. They are allowing one or two underspecced wires to take on the full power draw instead of spreading it across the connector.
3. They are running far too close to the maximum rating of the connector on their default parameters, never mind the amazing transient spikes they've treated customers to.
4. The connector is a fundamentally **** design.

5090: you are pretty much guaranteed a fire at some point in my opinion unless a board partner changes the whole power system.

5080: Slightly more headroom before reaching the max rating but you still have the problems in 1 & 2 so the same thing could happen, but less often. Probably 4090 rates of failure.

70 series and below: Depending on power draw and whether they fix 1&2 they may be safe.

Overall a shitshow and we now know why they were so aggressive about user error on the 4090 being the problem. It wasn't, it's board and connector design.

TheValeyard

Surely the other companies that make their versions of the card (Asus, MSI, etc) will have a plan to sort this problem?

minitrue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171896#Comment_123171896

On their ludicrous tier cards Asus did better but it still isn't a proper answer and doesn't actually fix the problem. AFACIT it just means if you have their software installed it would warn you things were going wrong, though at least that might let you know the initial installation is operating ok without having to get out a thermal camera or current clamp or trying to test some other way.

NVidia have been pigs now for quite a while about locking down what they will allow manufacturers do and it's nearly certain they require the card to ultimately end up with the "single blob of 12v" which means the only actually good solution possible might be an extra product between the power supply and the card which just brutally cuts the power if it senses any individual wire going beyond a "reasonable" current draw.

Of course this assumes that there's no defects on the card after the point it's successfully got it's 600W of 12V delivered and given the incompetent design with essentially no safety margin we see I'm not even sure that should be taken as a given now, but tbf I've seen no evidence of those kinda failures and it would "probably" just kill the card without trying to create fire conditions/killing multiple components.

If a manufacturer just put on more power connectors it would be more reasonable. For a 5090 I think you would want 2 12VHPWR or at a very bare minimum 5 8pin connectors. At that point though you have to look at what PSUs could do that and how they are wired up before even just declaring things reasonable. This would just reduce the odds (dramatically probably) but still not fix the root problem.

The sane answer is for the cards to monitor per pin (or perhaps some fuse type arrangement) and shut themselves down if any pin is going too far. I really don't know why Asus don't seem to have gone that far when they did most of the legwork on the Astral cards.

Icyseanfitz

And still they are selling out, I say this as an enthusiast PC gamer/builder, we are **** idiots

TheValeyard

More I read about the 5090 the more convinced I am that it's an incendiary grenade that will burn your house down.

Simi

I was originally interested in the 5070ti when it had a $750 MSRP. But seeing as that is no longer a remote possibility, I was going to opt for the 9070XT at it's supposed $599 MSRP. But with the recent price leaks that too seems highly unlikely.

At this rate I'm going to be sweating my 6900XT until the next generation in 2-4 years time which will probably offer even worse value.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123172720#Comment_123172720

I don't know. I'm pretty chuffed about my 4090 purring here beside me. All settings maxed out for gaming barely gets the fans spinning, not to mention the AI performance is astonishing, far faster responses with local models than with openAI.

I just hope if it spontaneously combusts here beside me that it takes me with it. The thought of living without it……

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123180169#Comment_123180169

I'm using an alienware aw3423dwf with a 3090. Everything plays fantastic still. See no reason to upgrade

Coyler

Heck, one of my kids is playing on a 1070. Pacific Drive/The Finals are probably the most demanding games he plays and it's just fine although he does have to tweak Pacific Drive a little. Doom: Dark Ages is the only reason now to upgrade but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.

Doge

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Laviski

what to do when looking for a mid-high tier gpu these days….. more i'm reading of the 50 series the more i just want to source a 4080super somehow…..

K.O.Kiki

4070 Ti Super at 900eur, used market, or wait for AMD RX 9070 XT.

Laviski

from catching up on the tech stuff, AMD isn't releasing a a high end card this time… shocking time to be needing a new graphics card. The NVIDIA monopoly is so bad.

Luna84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123189356#Comment_123189356

9070 XT looks to be pretty decent from a gaming point of view. Decent performance but obviously no where near a high end like you said but still good performance/price.

Icyseanfitz

To be honest it looks like the only real high end cards at the moment are the 4090/5090, everything else is a glorified midrange priced crazily

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123189527#Comment_123189527

I don't consider cards in the 400W+ / €2k price range "high end", more like feature-missing Quadros.

johnny_ultimate

Nvidia has clearly been blurring the lines between what constitutes mid and high-end and halo tiers for a while now, trying to push more enthusiasts towards the latter (or indeed the halo tier).

A 16GB 4070 or 5070 would be a perfect mid-range card that'd last for years, but feels like those couple of extra GBs have been held back just to differentiate the stack more, all while the price creeps up across the board.

minitrue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123190906#Comment_123190906

I think I'll resist posting something way too long for anyone to read and just say that I agree that the 4090/5090 are not high end gaming cards, they are budget professional cards. There aren't many rumours yet on what nvidia are actually launching with the good GB202 (5090) chips but I'll guess that they will cost 10x the 5090 and perhaps a lot more if the 96GB vram that's been seen proves true.

I will say that the "feature-missing Quadro" is a little questionable, things like the dual decoder/triple encoder on the 5090 are very much old quadro territory type features. The only reason I call it a budget professional card is the fact it's "only" got 32GB and it's using a significantly cut down chip so the price is about the yield management economics for the perfect or barely cut down chips.

For gamers who don't have a high end card already, care about price or just don't have the means to drop a few extra thousands without caring and want one soonish the question is if AMD are willing to forgo the chance to join nvidia in gouging on gaming gpus to claim massive market share built off the synergy with consoles. The 9070xt should be a $499 pre-tariff MSRP at most (it's basically a 7800xt in terms of silicon) and if they hold it their my guess is even their giant stockpile of cards won't last too long. That's the very best I think gamers can hope for until Intel (or Samsung or someone else) can start making chips to compete with even just TSMC 4nm never mind 3nm or 2nm.

_CreeD_

If you were under the impression Nvidia and AIBs care for Gamers this gen vs. AI sales….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDlcgILBAXQ

Icyseanfitz

Just one thing after another isn't it, can't understand how these are selling out instantly

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123197287#Comment_123197287

VERY low supply + high demand, creating the illusion of success.

Look at the stock situation update from OCUK (on 2025-02-20):

Stock Update:
RTX 5070 Ti sold out and pre-orders open
RTX 5080 sold out but limited stock arriving weekly
RTX 5090 sold out and pre-orders ceased

Stock ETAs are as follows:
RTX 5070 Ti ETA: 2-6 Weeks
RTX 5080 ETA: 1-3 Weeks
RTX 5090 ETA: 2-14 Weeks

K.O.Kiki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHRlYQas4xw

Yeah, I'm good with not spending 2-3 grand on a 5090.

Seems they can just kill themselves.

Icyseanfitz

http://videocardz.com/newz/first-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-discovered-with-reduced-rop-count-88-instead-of-96

Looks like the whole stack is affected by missing ROPs, Jesus

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123200900#Comment_123200900

Yup, 5090, 5080 & 5070 Ti all affected.

rob808

Im getting 5070 Ti on 3 march starting to regret it now.Im building a pc but won't be able to test since I don't have other parts to build the pc yet.if it missing Rops cant cancel it already dispatch.

Coyler

Won't matter. Your warranty at the minimum would cover it. Email the retailer now with a rough timeline on when you are going to check it and whatever your preferred remedy would be. Always have a paper trail :)

Laviski

as the issue is becoming well known, wonder if the retailers are just checking/sending the stock back or still selling them.

Simi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123205602#Comment_123205602

Only a small amount of customers will know to check, so most cut down cards won't be returned. Any that are will probably be resold to similarly unsuspecting customers.

Icyseanfitz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123209730#Comment_123209730

you'd imagine that was nvidias hope to begin with but seeing as its got so much attention you'd think anyone buying a discrete gpu from them would now check