Star Trek: Picard - Amazon Prime [** POSSIBLE SPOILERS **]

pixelburp

So there has already been a bit of season 2 casting, sort of?

Whoopi Goldberg was invited to join the cast by Stewart during his appearance on "The View", which Goldberg co-hosts. Supposedly it was a genuine offer, via Alex Kurtzman, though presumably pending confirmation of no schedule conflict.

Eire Go Brach

Anywhere that we can watch the shorts yet?

Slydice

TheValeyard wrote: »

Definitely


But this clip, particularly what he says at the very end is very interesting

:eek:

Agent Coulson

It's out and I just watched the first twenty minutes and the open scenes brought a huge smile to my face.


I am going to stop now and watch it later and saviour the experience.

pixelburp

Hmm that reminds, so we're going to have those watching on US time and those watching from Amazon. At least there'll be only one day between but it should go without saying that those ahead of the rest of us use spoiler tags?

Sad Professor

For the time being, no spoilers should be posted in this thread without spoiler tags. Spoiler-free reactions are okay.

For in-depth discussion of the first episode without the need for tags, post in the first episode thread which I just started:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112331932#post112331932

ilovesmybrick

pixelburp wrote: »

Hmm that reminds, so we're going to have those watching on US time and those watching from Amazon. At least there'll be only one day between but it should go without saying that those ahead of the rest of us use spoiler tags?

I honestly fail to understand the rationale behind these staggered releases internationally. If CBS all access was available in Europe it would make sense, but otherwise having a delay of 24 hours encourages people to find alternatives to the international streaming platforms. I have Amazon Prime, so I have legal access, but with a 24 hour delay I'm not sure how much of this show I'm going to watch through Prime, and how much I'll find alternatively.

seamus

This. It will be available online about ten minutes after it ends.

This nonsense of per-region releases should have died 15 years ago when it became clear that it encourages illegal downloads. Simultaneous worldwide release. There is no reason not to.

pixelburp

To be fair, there's that delay because CBS have to courier the episodes over to Amazon's offices by Floppy Disk

(sidebar, I believe there are still US governmental departments that do indeed use floppy disks for data transfer)

ilovesmybrick

pixelburp wrote: »

To be fair, there's that delay because CBS have to courier the episodes over to Amazon's offices by Floppy Disk

(sidebar, I believe there are still US governmental departments that do indeed use floppy disks for data transfer)

Only for their Nuclear Weapons (though apparently they were recently updated)!

Stark

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It's out and I just watched the first twenty minutes and the open scenes brought a huge smile to my face.


I am going to stop now and watch it later and saviour the experience.

Time to celebrate.

TheIrishGrover

Deleted User wrote: »

"Too much focus on Picard" :D

The bloody show is called ST: Picard.

Valid argument so invalid......

pixelburp

Man, it's still so strange to be reminded that children & families were on the Enterprise. I got the "canonical" reasoning behind it, but given the weekly death & danger that ship found itself in you'd think the first change made would be the ship stop acting as a movable town. Like, there must have been some child casualties when the Blurgons attacked... right? Orphans created because of that mysterious nebula ... *shudder*

AMKC

pixelburp wrote: »

Man, it's still so strange to be reminded that children & families were on the Enterprise. I got the "canonical" reasoning behind it, but given the weekly death & danger that ship found itself in you'd think the first change made would be the ship stop acting as a movable town. Like, there must have been some child casualties when the Blurgons attacked... right? Orphans created because of that mysterious nebula ... *shudder*

I disagree. It made perfect sense. These ships could be out in space for 2 or 3 years at a time and if your family is not on it or your partner you would be lucky if you got to meet up once in a year. So having family's on a shio of peace, exploration and scientific reserch made perfect sense.
Now if it was a warship like the Defiant no it would not make sense or during war like against the Dominion when Galaxy class ships were used no there it would not make sense but during peacetime nothing wrong with that at all.

Stark

There were times where it made sense. A lot of time the Enterprise would simply be out peacefully exploring and the "adventure of the week" that would happen upon them would generally be something highly exceptional (just so happens to happen every week to the Enterprise for entertainment purposes, but in reality space is vast, they wouldn't *actually* be running into ultra-rate spatial anomalies every single week). It was as Q put it, a time of complacency for the Federation/Starfleet.

There were other times though when the Enterprise was being sent by Starfleet into situations that were known high risk situations and I had to wonder "should they be dropping the kids off at a starbase on route and collecting them when the dangerous stuff is over?". Like wtf were Sisko's wife and kid doing on a ship that was in the middle of the battle at Wolf-359?

Interestingly enough, I don't believe the Enterprise-E had families on board.

pixelburp

AMKC wrote: »

I disagree. It made perfect sense. These ships could be out in space for 2 or 3 years at a time and if your family is not on it or your partner you would be lucky if you got to meet up once in a year. So having family's on a shio of peace, exploration and scientific reserch made perfect sense.
Now if it was a warship like the Defiant no it would not make sense or during war like against the Dominion when Galaxy class ships were used no there it would not make sense but during peacetime nothing wrong with that at all.

I did say it made canonical sense, but from a scriptwriting point of view, given the actual tangible danger the show put the Enterprise into - complete with grisly deaths or mutations - it was always a bit of a cognitive shock to remember that somewhere in the lower decks decks, there were families and children in equal danger. Just always took the shine off the frisson of excitement over the Crazy Science, thinking about that.

To be honest, most of the time I doubt the scriptwriters even remembered there WERE children onboard; certainly few scripts ever dropped any "we've confirmed the family decks are safe". And presumably the "Battle Bridge" idea was the thinking to get around that constant child endangerment. Like Stark said above, whatever about happening across a Mysterious Anomaly, knowingly heading into danger seemed reckless.

H3llR4iser

Stark wrote: »

There were times where it made sense. A lot of time the Enterprise would simply be out peacefully exploring and the "adventure of the week" that would happen upon them would generally be something highly exceptional (just so happens to happen every week to the Enterprise for entertainment purposes, but in reality space is vast, they wouldn't *actually* be running into ultra-rate spatial anomalies every single week). It was as Q put it, a time of complacency for the Federation/Starfleet.

There were other times though when the Enterprise was being sent by Starfleet into situations that were known high risk situations and I had to wonder "should they be dropping the kids off at a starbase on route and collecting them when the dangerous stuff is over?". Like wtf were Sisko's wife and kid doing on a ship that was in the middle of the battle at Wolf-359?

Interestingly enough, I don't believe the Enterprise-E had families on board.

TNG pretty much implied that there were a LOT of "slow times" during the End-D's mission, with pretty much nothing but emptiness surrounding the ship - there were a few episodes starting from these premises.



Yeah, I don't thing the Ent-E had families - the ship was longer but sleeker, pretty much a "big sister" to the Defiant in being mostly a defensive cruiser. I shall find some info, but I think you're correct...

AtomicHorror

Burty330 wrote: »

Erm , yeah ..no..Thats a misinformed perceptive.

Erm, yeah, no, it isn't.

Burty330 wrote: »

The themes and world of Trek presented a progressive Utopian vision. There is no left or right side of the political spectrum. Liberalism and leftism are not the same.

Sure, classical liberalism is generally regarded as a centrist position, depending of which political spectrum you're using. But Star Trek does not portray a merely liberal civilisation. It's social liberal and also socialist.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" would seem, to me to nicely sum up society in the Federation, particularly in how it was portrayed in TNG.

Burty330 wrote: »

Left wing politics back then are a far cry from what they are today. Identity politics and propping up women at the expense of men is antithetical to the vision of Star Trek.
Note i said -at the expense of men. That needs to pointed out.

I'm not opposed to ending slavery, but I am opposed to ending slavery at the expense of white people.

The only men afraid of equality for women are mediocre men who are not at peace with just being "fine" in the new context and not exceptional.

Burty330 wrote: »

Voyager was ahead of the curve with its diverse cast and depiction of strong female characters.
As A pan sausage person of sauce i felt it important that cross spices relationships were portrayed as normal. It sent a message of tolerance to people who are different.

It was similarly nice to see Riker open his pants to non-humans too , as seen in Outcast and in another episode where he is being held prisoner - the name of which escapes me.

Those were positive messages that meant something.

Twitter activists and their mickey mouse tumblr politics of 2019 are totally empty and meaningless.

Leftism is a today is mostly the intolerant and hateful side of the political compass.

No, leftism today is getting to the difficult part. Moving on from all the talk of equality and getting down to the doing of it, which comes at the expense of those who are maintaining the status quo.

The bit about sausages and cross-spices though...

Burty330 wrote: »

It didn't really surprise me that this thread has more fans of Discracery than Voyager.
Most poster here don't understand real Trek.

You're not the gatekeeper of the canon.

You're free to watch the re-runs, they're not gone.

Burty330 wrote: »

I'll tell ya something else.. 21 Jump Street was more progressive than Discracery.

I know you think "Disgracery" is clever and meaningful, but it's really clumsy and it does you no favours at all.

Burty330 wrote: »

Lets not forget than Netflix frogmarched it off its platform after only 2 seasons!!!

Well, I haven't seen that reported anywhere other than the same YouTube channels you're regurgitating verbatim. The ones that reported that the studio was worried about the Picard, a week before they renewed it for season 2. The ones that reported Discovery was cancelled, just because Anson Mount was finished his contract exactly as expected.

Maybe it's true about Netflix, I guess we'll see soon enough. If I were to bet, I would not bet on any predicting those channels make. They've been consistently wrong.

AtomicHorror

For those of us stuck waiting for the Amazon Prime release, here's the opening titles. I like them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBF_7bMlqNk

seamus

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Maybe it's true about Netflix, I guess we'll see soon enough. If I were to bet, I would not bet on any predicting those channels make. They've been consistently wrong.

Netflix still have the first 2 seasons of Discovery on their platform and exclusive rights to the next one outside of the US. Any suggestion that they won't show it is hilarious.

Even if it was unpopular, it's basically free money for them. It's bought and paid for. There's no reason they'd remove it.

pixelburp

Funny how for a brief period in the 2000s, Main Titles were out of fashion, usually at most consisting of a single frame of the show name; now you'll often get these extended, rather beautifully constructed or rendered abstract sequences. Game of Thrones probably kicked the fashion off in this newer direction.

Evade

pixelburp wrote: »

Man, it's still so strange to be reminded that children & families were on the Enterprise. I got the "canonical" reasoning behind it, but given the weekly death & danger that ship found itself in you'd think the first change made would be the ship stop acting as a movable town. Like, there must have been some child casualties when the Blurgons attacked... right? Orphans created because of that mysterious nebula ... *shudder*

Stranger still is not evacuating families when you know you're going into battle. DS9 would have been very different if Sisko had evacuated his family on a shuttle instead of taking them to Wolf 359.

Someone did eventually cop it because there's a throwaway line about the Odyssey evacuating families before they headed to the Gamma Quadrant.

pixelburp

Evade wrote: »

Stranger still is not evacuating families when you know you're going into battle. DS9 would have been very different if Sisko had evacuated his family on a shuttle instead of taking them to Wolf 359.

Someone did eventually cop it because there's a throwaway line about the Odyssey evacuating families before they headed to the Gamma Quadrant.

I guess with Wolf 359 it's possible to have been such an extraordinary emergency, ships were just told to get going, there was simply no time to move non-essential personnel to shuttles. The Borg crisis did strike as being a last ditch attempt to repel barbarians at the gates.

The Enterprise's constant daycare felt like a trailing edge of Rodenberry's vision of this palatial, peaceful series of discovery, one forgotten by various writers spinning up their "ship gets taken over by a virus / alien / nebula" stories that included lots of carnage on the lower decks. It's sorta like the whole Death Star Construction Staff thought experiment: not entirely serious, but once you think it, it's a hard one to shake.

Evade

pixelburp wrote: »

I guess with Wolf 359 it's possible to have been such an extraordinary emergency, ships were just told to get going, there was simply no time to move non-essential personnel to shuttles. The Borg crisis did strike as being a last ditch attempt to repel barbarians at the gates.

There were thousands of Starfleet personnel in that fleet they probably could have spared a few botanists and the like to evacuate the civilians.

Stark

Evade wrote: »

There were thousands of Starfleet personnel in that fleet they probably could have spared a few botanists and the like to evacuate the civilians.

No, Keiko needed to be right where the maximum danger was.

Acosta

Thought it was Monday for Amazon Prime but now see it advertised that it's out tomorrow

fixXxer

Just remembered to activate my free Prime with Eir. Feeling positive, looking forward to this.

ct5amr2ig1nfhp

Needs more lens flare. :pac:

AtomicHorror wrote: »

For those of us stuck waiting for the Amazon Prime release, here's the opening titles. I like them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBF_7bMlqNk

AMKC

Stark wrote: »

There were times where it made sense. A lot of time the Enterprise would simply be out peacefully exploring and the "adventure of the week" that would happen upon them would generally be something highly exceptional (just so happens to happen every week to the Enterprise for entertainment purposes, but in reality space is vast, they wouldn't *actually* be running into ultra-rate spatial anomalies every single week). It was as Q put it, a time of complacency for the Federation/Starfleet.

There were other times though when the Enterprise was being sent by Starfleet into situations that were known high risk situations and I had to wonder "should they be dropping the kids off at a starbase on route and collecting them when the dangerous stuff is over?". Like wtf were Sisko's wife and kid doing on a ship that was in the middle of the battle at Wolf-359?

Interestingly enough, I don't believe the Enterprise-E had families on board.

Like wtf were Sisko's wife and kid doing on a ship that was in the middle of the battle at Wolf-359?

His wife was chief engineer on the ship I think. As for Jake ye maybe he and other none essential personnel on the ship should have been evacuated but then maybe they all also did not really know what they were going up against and totally underestimated the Borg.

Evade

AMKC wrote: »

His wife was chief engineer on the ship I think. As for Jake ye maybe he and other none essential personnel on the ship should have been evacuated but then maybe they all also did not really know what they were going up against and totally underestimated the Borg.

Jennifer Sisko wasn't in Starfleet.