US Presidential Election 2020

TheLastMohican

pixelburp wrote: »

Neither Joe Biden nor Kamala Harris could be considered socialist, by either the metrics of America let alone Europe. Career centrists both. Tacit support of BLM, ANTIFA or whatever sticks in one's ideological craw does not a socialist make - and frankly shows a laughable ignorance of both the individuals own political history, as to be ignored as anything but disingenuous at best. Support Trump, it's a free world, but don't invent nonsense to fit ones support. Biden the Socialist. Bit adolescent.

Socialist and Communist are both the same in my neck of the woods. Americans as a whole do not differentiate. They just listen to the right wing stations that spout Trumpism and are not capable of disseminating it. Unbiased news? Forget it. No excitement here.
As most Americans don't own a passport, they get their "feel" for a country from Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and co. And, as Americans are perhaps the most paranoid people on earth, these populists lead a great many sheeple. Most don't realise that Antifa is a corruption of Anti Fascist. So, they are easily swayed because of their patriotism xenophobia!

MadYaker

theguzman wrote: »

Trump is going nowhere and the Supreme court will reinstate him as President no matter what happens. There is a massive buildup in the South China Sea and we may see some skirmish there within the next two weeks as Trump will strike back at China. If somehow the Democrats manage to throw Trump out then expect a very brief and fast bloody insurrection which will reinstate him by millions of WASP NRA american who will not allow a Socialist revolution to take place there. America is truly on a knife-edge at the moment but I see Trump going nowhere.

Utterly insane post, tell me its a joke

paul71

MadYaker wrote: »

Utterly insane post, tell me its a joke

5 years ago I would have said someone proposing armed rebellion in the United states if an election did not go their way would be committed for mental health issues. Now I just don't know.

Tell me how

MadYaker wrote: »

Utterly insane post, tell me its a joke

It's not a joke, but it isn't reality based either.

Water John

TomOnBoard wrote: »

3 days? PA counts must be eeeasy! Imagine if they had to do a PR system count like in Ireland.

People vote.. Polls close.. Votes then get counted.. The counts takes as long as they take. What's so hard for ppl to understand?

They only start opening postal ballots that day or evening. Two envelopes to open, signature to be verified.

Brussels Sprout

MadYaker wrote: »

Utterly insane post, tell me its a joke

Something tells me you haven't checked out the Current Affairs/IMHO forum.

StringerBell

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/10/16/bb-the-identity-of-trumps-creditors-is-not-a-mystery

I have wondered why it seems to be some secret about who he owes the money too. Is the thinking behind it that there was some shady deal with Deutsche Bank for example that russian money sort of guaranteed his loan? I haven't looked a whole lot into his own personal finances as I think it is a little bit of a red herring, if true that the mortgages have been converted to CMBS's then it will be pretty much impossible to see each individual person who is on the list of people "owed" money.

trump is in the dodgy dealing and dodgy money business a long time, the world of international financing is murky and not something that is easy to get to the bottom of and make it easy for lay people to follow for want of a better word. I understand why the democrats would make noise about it and trump refusing to divest puts him in a position that nobody at the head of government should be in terms of potential security risks due to financial issues I don't see a way to get to the bottom of it, and maybe that isn't the point I guess.

When he is out of office they will likely let all but the instances of fraud go so hopefully they can make stuff stick. Not just for him, but for all of them. Ivanka, junior, eric etc I hope they can get them all for financial and tax fraud but this thing about the loans and who he owes the debt to is a bit of a run around the garden for all the good it will do imo.

2 and a half weeks to go!

pixelburp

I've seen enough of American politics to believe none of the Trumps will be pursued legally. Just can't see it happening; maybe, at most, some tertiary activity that'll get settled in Civil Court, or be criminally small beans - but even then, the Cult of Personality won't disappear overnight. Plenty of those closest to the wagon will continue support for a time. Chasing cases in the heat death of the Trump Era would seem politically risky against the public domain shítstorm it'd create.

tails_naf

paul71 wrote: »

5 years ago I would have said someone proposing armed rebellion in the United states if an election did not go their way would be committed for mental health issues. Now I just don't know.

The podcast "it could happen here" outlines how this could happen, its really well done, and scary. It gives real examples of things the militia have already done, so not too crazy if the ones "standing by" actually do something if trump looses, or refuses to accept the election outcome ....

duploelabs

pixelburp wrote: »

I've seen enough of American politics to believe none of the Trumps will be pursued legally. Just can't see it happening; maybe, at most, some tertiary activity that'll get settled in Civil Court, or be criminally small beans - but even then, the Cult of Personality won't disappear overnight. Plenty of those closest to the wagon will continue support for a time. Chasing cases in the heat death of the Trump Era would seem politically risky against the public domain shítstorm it'd create.

He's already be indicted as a Co-conspirator in a campaign finance violation, that sent Cohen to jail. The presidency is the only thing stopping him from being indicted from the obstruction of justice charge, according to Robert Mueller. They'll definitely go after him, especially after he's already signalled that he plans to flee the country should he lose the election

pixelburp

duploelabs wrote: »

He's already be indicted as a Co-conspirator in a campaign finance violation, that sent Cohen to jail. The presidency is the only thing stopping him from being indicted from the obstruction of justice charge, according to Robert Mueller. They'll definitely go after him, especially after he's already signalled that he plans to flee the country should he lose the election

I hear what you're saying, but this for me, is definitely under the "I'll believe it when I see it" category. Trump is "rich", powerful and while I fully expect the GOP to turn around and say "Trump who?" when all this is over, there's enough political wriggle room to let them escape IMO. Not least, it's entirely possible the Biden Presidency talk of "healing", part of which decided to not include persueing the Trumps. Time will tell but I'm deeply sceptical there's momentum here.

Water John

Trumps would not be pursued Federally but in State Courts. Politicians at Biden Govn't level can say, it's got nothing to do with them.

Would be really funny if the fled to....Brazil.

duploelabs

pixelburp wrote: »

I hear what you're saying, but this for me, is definitely under the "I'll believe it when I see it" category. Trump is "rich", powerful and while I fully expect the GOP to turn around and say "Trump who?" when all this is over, there's enough political wriggle room to let them escape IMO. Not least, it's entirely possible the Biden Presidency talk of "healing", part of which decided to not include persueing the Trumps. Time will tell but I'm deeply sceptical there's momentum here.

There's already talk of a presidential crimes commission

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/trump-election-legal-reckoning/index.html

paul71

tails_naf wrote: »

The podcast "it could happen here" outlines how this could happen, its really well done, and scary. It gives real examples of things the militia have already done, so not too crazy if the ones "standing by" actually do something if trump looses, or refuses to accept the election outcome ....

Which would achieve what? Several thousand fat middle aged self styled hard men trying to take on the largest military on the planet. I do believe there might be idiots who would think it is an option, but it would be a short lived tragedy.

Igotadose

Missed this earlier. Apparently that bastion of honest journalism, the Washington Examiner, obtained audio of a Ben Sasse (R - Nebraska) call with his constituents where he dumped on the #IMPOTUS up one side and down another, which caused the #IMPOTUS to go into full blitz mode.


Among other notable lines from Sasse on the call:

“The way he kisses dictators' butts. I mean, the way he ignores that the Uighurs are in literal concentration camps in Xinjiang. Right now, he hasn't lifted a finger on behalf of the Hong-Kongers," he said. "The United States now regularly sells out our allies under his leadership, the way he treats women, spends like a drunken sailor. The ways I criticize President Obama for that kind of spending, I've criticized President Trump for as well. He mocks evangelicals behind closed doors. His family has treated the presidency like a business opportunity. He's flirted with white supremacists."
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They eat their own, I suppose. Not like Sasse is going to lose the election, but how hilarious it would be (it will NEVER happen) if the #IMPOTUS would endorse his opponent. Plus, Sasse's looking to 2024 or maybe 2028 to make a move and wants people to know he wasn't all-in on the mayhem of being a Trumplodyte in DC (but never ever voted against anything the #IMPOTUS wanted him to vote for.)

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521529-trump-excoriates-sasse-over-leaked-audio

L1011

Its basically guaranteed that a few years out from the end of his presidency (now or 2024, assuming nothing), plenty of Republicans will be playing the "he was a registered Democrat, all his policies that we now disavow are Democrat policies" type angle.

Igotadose

L1011 wrote: »

Its basically guaranteed that a few years out from the end of his presidency (now or 2024, assuming nothing), plenty of Republicans will be playing the "he was a registered Democrat, all his policies that we now disavow are Democrat policies" type angle.

Agreed - there'll be de-Trumpification starting about November 5th in the GOP and later in the US as a whole. Can't wait for the plaques to be removed from the embassies where he's put them, and along the mini wall the taxpayers paid for that have his name on them. At least the #IMPOTUS presidential library could probably be housed on a DVD somewhere, just a few gigs of tweets.

I wonder, will his portrait ever hang in the gallery in the WH? My guess is it would, much like the Mona Lisa with a protective cover to prevent vandalization. I expect that President Biden will hang up a couple portraits once he's in.

Timberrrrrrrr

Igotadose wrote: »

Missed this earlier. Apparently that bastion of honest journalism, the Washington Examiner, obtained audio of a Ben Sasse (R - Nebraska) call with his constituents where he dumped on the #IMPOTUS up one side and down another, which caused the #IMPOTUS to go into full blitz mode.


Among other notable lines from Sasse on the call:

“The way he kisses dictators' butts. I mean, the way he ignores that the Uighurs are in literal concentration camps in Xinjiang. Right now, he hasn't lifted a finger on behalf of the Hong-Kongers," he said. "The United States now regularly sells out our allies under his leadership, the way he treats women, spends like a drunken sailor. The ways I criticize President Obama for that kind of spending, I've criticized President Trump for as well. He mocks evangelicals behind closed doors. His family has treated the presidency like a business opportunity. He's flirted with white supremacists."
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They eat their own, I suppose. Not like Sasse is going to lose the election, but how hilarious it would be (it will NEVER happen) if the #IMPOTUS would endorse his opponent. Plus, Sasse's looking to 2024 or maybe 2028 to make a move and wants people to know he wasn't all-in on the mayhem of being a Trumplodyte in DC (but never ever voted against anything the #IMPOTUS wanted him to vote for.)

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521529-trump-excoriates-sasse-over-leaked-audio

That explains his twitter rant against Sussex

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1317495722133065728?s=19

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1317460179223498753?s=19

blackcard

Igotadose wrote: »

Missed this earlier. Apparently that bastion of honest journalism, the Washington Examiner, obtained audio of a Ben Sasse (R - Nebraska) call with his constituents where he dumped on the #IMPOTUS up one side and down another, which caused the #IMPOTUS to go into full blitz mode.


Among other notable lines from Sasse on the call:

“The way he kisses dictators' butts. I mean, the way he ignores that the Uighurs are in literal concentration camps in Xinjiang. Right now, he hasn't lifted a finger on behalf of the Hong-Kongers," he said. "The United States now regularly sells out our allies under his leadership, the way he treats women, spends like a drunken sailor. The ways I criticize President Obama for that kind of spending, I've criticized President Trump for as well. He mocks evangelicals behind closed doors. His family has treated the presidency like a business opportunity. He's flirted with white supremacists."
--
They eat their own, I suppose. Not like Sasse is going to lose the election, but how hilarious it would be (it will NEVER happen) if the #IMPOTUS would endorse his opponent. Plus, Sasse's looking to 2024 or maybe 2028 to make a move and wants people to know he wasn't all-in on the mayhem of being a Trumplodyte in DC (but never ever voted against anything the #IMPOTUS wanted him to vote for.)


Tweet from Trump last year "Senator Ben Sasse has done a wonderful job representing the people of Nebraska. He is great with our Vets, the Military, and your very important Second Amendment. Strong on Crime and the Border, Ben has my Complete and Total Endorsement"

Tweets from Trump today "Senator Little Ben Sasse of the Great State of Nebraska seems to be heading down the same inglorious path as former Senators Liddle’ Bob Corker, whose approval rating in Tennessee went from 55% to 4%, & Jeff “the Flake” Flake, whose approval rating in Arizona went from 56% to.....practically nothing. Both Senators became totally unelectable, couldn’t come even close to winning their primaries, and decided to drop out of politics and gracefully “RETIRE”. @SenSasse could be next, or perhaps the Republicans should find a new and more viable candidate?"

Our Don is not very thick skinned. Also his endorsements mean nothing. Every Republican is strong on crime and the border, love the military and our vets, supports the Second Amendment and loves our farmers.
If anyone dares to criticize Trump, they are RINO (Republican in name only)

Water John

Not one for conspiracy theories but wonder did Ben Sasse arrange a leak?

weisses

Water John wrote: »

Not one for conspiracy theories but wonder did Ben Sasse arrange a leak?

Part of the political game is leaking at the right time



And no.... it's not a reference to the pee-pee tape

TomOnBoard

I just watched The Comey Rule for the 2nd time..

In this election season, Brendan Gleeson's characterisation of Trump as a mean, vindictive, punk-assed Mafia Don wannabee has to have had an effect on any persuadable/floating voters that are still out there. He came across as the absolute total narcissistic me-feiner we all knew he was. But, in addition, Gleeson projected the hulking, bullying poisonous Trump that we all suspected but that he largely keeps away from the public persona he and his cult followers have cultivated.

Better vote quick though, folks! The Good Ole' Biys in the GOP are working overtime trying to figure out ways to make sure YOUR vote won"t be counted!

TomOnBoard

The Don's Circus hit Janesville in Wisconsin tonight..

His torrent of lies were like a plume of flames from a rocket's arse... As expected, so no surprise there.

But for a 74 year-old man who allegedly was stricken by Covid just weeks ago, Jeez but he is streaking it! At this point, I don't really care about whatever the **** he's being fed IV, his message is definitely showing that Covid doesn't HAVE TO be a death sentence if you're over 70.. And that's what the bravado is all about- projecting a Superman figure who kicked Covid's butt!

Once again, Trump in a stadium-based 3-ring circus is like PT Barnum, a carnival barker whose profit comes from sneaking dollars from the poor and gullible by selling them snake oil. But he does it so well! Clearly, his audience is comprised solely of cult members who Loooove Him.. But their undying love seems total, and he harnesses it all for everything it's worth!

StringerBell

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I just watched The Comey Rule for the 2nd time..

In this election season, Brendan Gleeson's characterisation of Trump as a mean, vindictive, punk-assed Mafia Don wannabee has to have had an effect on any persuadable/floating voters that are still out there. He came across as the absolute total narcissistic me-feiner we all knew he was. But, in addition, Gleeson projected the hulking, bullying poisonous Trump that we all suspected but that he largely keeps away from the public persona he and his cult followers have cultivated.

Better vote quick though, folks! The Good Ole' Biys in the GOP are working overtime trying to figure out ways to make sure YOUR vote won"t be counted!

I thought Gleeson was very good for the most part and I really wanted to like the comey rule, I just didn't. It was alright like, but nothing special and I wouldn't be so sure it would have much affect on the voters......but then again I'm looking at it through Irish eyes and when dealing with a guy who got elected because he was a reality TV star I guess I should be more open to how easily swayed sections of the American public can be swayed by portrayals on TV.

Capt'n Midnight

weisses wrote: »

Part of the political game is leaking at the right time

James Hacker : I occasionally have confidential press briefings, but I have never leaked.

Bernard Woolley : Oh, that's another of those irregular verbs, isn't it? I give confidential press briefings; you leak; he's been charged under Section 2a of the Official Secrets Act.

TomOnBoard

StringerBell wrote: »

I thought Gleeson was very good for the most part and I really wanted to like the comey rule, I just didn't. It was alright like, but nothing special and I wouldn't be so sure it would have much affect on the voters......but then again I'm looking at it through Irish eyes and when dealing with a guy who got elected because he was a reality TV star I guess I should be more open to how easily swayed sections of the American public can be swayed by portrayals on TV.

Actually, I do get your perspective.. I just saw it as a sometimes loose but mostly timely attempt at trying to underpin all the stuff that has been characterised as hoaxes and a coup by Trumpland since 2017.

I had read Comey's book. And as I watched this, I repeatedly shouted at him to "Get Yer Head In The Game!" And i couldnt get to like him. His self belief in his always being the self-assured, always right, Lone Ranger character simply underwhelmed me. That said, I truly believe Comey believes that everything he did was done for the right reasons. Thats actually good enough for me, when I see the terrible deluge of appalling behaviour that he was dealing with.

Regardless of what I think of Comey, Trump et al., I was captivated by Gleeson's inhabiting of the Trump persona, as he took on Trump's skin. It was nowhere near a simple Rory Bremner or Alec Baldwin impressionist voice jobbie; this was an actual characterisation.. I felt the hate, I saw the horrific bullying and misogny and Gleeson succeeded by disgusting me and mine! And his characterisation of Trump as a rabidly flesh-tearing Piranha fish through the simple but difficult artifice of the jutting lower jaw with pearly white, piano key gnashers that preceded every word uttered by a millisecond was just soooo Trump, although I hadnt previously noticed it.

For me, Comey is quite meh; Trump is mostly a busted flush by now, but our Brendan Gleeson Rules!!

Outlaw Pete

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I just watched The Comey Rule for the 2nd time..

In this election season, Brendan Gleeson's characterisation of Trump as a mean, vindictive, punk-assed Mafia Don wannabee has to have had an effect on any persuadable/floating voters that are still out there. He came across as the absolute total narcissistic me-feiner we all knew he was. But, in addition, Gleeson projected the hulking, bullying poisonous Trump that we all SUSPECTED but that he largely keeps away from the public persona he and his cult followers have cultivated.

Exactly. How they portrayed Trump was how anti-Trumpers "suspect" he is or, to be more accurate, wish him to be seen by the masses. It was propaganda from start to finish. All it did was satisfy your average CNN/BBC/MSNBC viewer who believes the crap they have spewed and despise the man as a result of it, which is of course what the objective of making it was to begin with.

Based on A Higher Loyalty, which is of course just narcissistic trash from a man trying to excuse himself for going "rogue" (as Sally puts it) but that's being nice. Comey is scum who misused his power as FBI Director so he could impress his boss and other liberal elitists who felt they were above the law and that rules didn't apply to them as a result of that. A trait common with such folk.

The following about sums the show up:


https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1312135403944599559

Better vote quick though, folks! The Good Ole' Biys in the GOP are working overtime trying to figure out ways to make sure YOUR vote won"t be counted!

The GOP are trying to see that blue votes won't be counted?? Care to unpack that a little.

Outlaw Pete

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The GOP are trying to see that blue votes won't be counted?? Care to unpack that a little.

Amazing, you're oblivious to voter suppression after all this time?

Brian?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The GOP are trying to see that blue votes won't be counted?? Care to unpack that a little.

The GOP are masters at voter suppression. They don’t specifically target Dem voters to be fair, they just know that the lower the turnout, the more like they are to win.

That’s why the Dem message is “Get yo’ booty to the poll”


https://youtu.be/AytDzZ2ecCc

Outlaw Pete

Deleted User wrote: »

Amazing, you're oblivious to voter suppression after all this time?

Oh I'm aware of the liberal narrative that the GOP/RNC suppress the vote, just looking for proof of it is all. Of which, of course, there is none and requests to back up the oft trotted out claim usually just lead to liberals doing what they always do and playing the racism card. The following Op Ed from a minority addresses that wrongheaded rhetoric:

Republicans are Not Suppressing the Vote

In states like Texas, Georgia, and others, residents have multiple polling places they can go to in their counties to cast their votes. Unfortunately, Democrats are already putting out the narrative that “voter suppression” is being perpetrated by Republicans. This is irrevocably false and without merit.

Democrats are claiming that Republicans have an active, vested crusade to stop minorities from voting. This simply makes no sense. Not only am I now a first-time voter, but I’m also a minority. At no point did I ever feel “intimidated” or “suppressed.” However, the left seems to have an interesting definition of “voter suppression.”

On social media and other outlets, liberal activists and individuals have claimed that standing in line to vote is a form of voter suppression. That is absolute nonsense. If anything, the allowance of early voting (weeks ahead of Election Day) disproves the notion that Republicans are working to “suppress the vote.”

The same Democrats who currently allege voter suppression, have also claimed that requiring identification to vote is a form of racism. This is also rubbish, just like the claim that having to wait in line to vote is a form of “suppression.”

Not sure why liberals struggle with the notion that Republicans efforts to stop illegals voting is not an effort to stop minorities voting, but yet somehow they appear to. Truth is of course that there is a very good reason they don't want it more difficult for illegals to vote and that's what it's really about. Voter ID advocates are labelled racists by the left because they know non-citizen votes will largely go their way.

Brian? wrote: »

That’s why the Dem message is “Get yo’ booty to the poll”

Yes, and if they had their way that message would be “Get yo non-citizen booty to the poll”.

Oh and the implication that the GOP/RNC aren't also telling people to get out and vote also is false too by the way:


https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1314658902118748160
https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1314589090378022912