Let's all talk about Lewis?

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Dog Man Star wrote: »

Hamilton has under-achieved. He's been in the best car for the last 11 years

That’s probably the worst sentence ever posted in this forum, and that’s saying something

conzy

He's just so hard to like. His whinging on the radio, his persona, his 'love conquers all' shíte, crying / praying at the car in Hockenheim. Not to mention the way hes treated by the UK media. Same nonsense with Murray in the Tennis etc

I wish he was likeable.

Dog Man Star

Inviere wrote: »

That’s probably the worst sentence ever posted in this forum, and that’s saying something

When was his car not the best?

Gwynplaine

He's good, but not a great.
How did Sherzinger waste so much time with him as his beard. What a shame, and a waste.

Anjobe

Dog Man Star wrote: »

When was his car not the best?

Its not even the best car now, ffs!

The first season that Hamilton drove for the team that won the constructors championship was 2014, his 8th season in F1.

Anjobe

conzy wrote: »

He's just so hard to like. His whinging on the radio, his persona, his 'love conquers all' shíte, crying / praying at the car in Hockenheim. Not to mention the way hes treated by the UK media. Same nonsense with Murray in the Tennis etc

I wish he was likeable.

Is the UK media not allowed to celebrate British sporting success?

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Dog Man Star wrote: »

When was his car not the best?

Yeah, no.

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Ah here. I agree with the majority of your post, but that bit just isn't true. McLaren are widely believed to have had the best car in 2012, but lost the season on reliability issues. Link

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At least, Alonso never sacked his own father as his manager :pac:

meeeeh

Seannew1 wrote: »

At least, Alonso never sacked his own father as his manager :pac:

I think neither Vettel or Hamilton have managers and they are doing fine. So maybe he didn't need him, Verstapen was also advised by the team to leave entourage at home after his troubles at the beginning of the season. Sometimes family members accompanying sports people cause more damage than good.

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skipper_G

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Hamilton has under-achieved. He's been in the best car for the last 11 years and has won 4 world championships. He missed out to Raikkonen, Button and Rosberg, three distinctly average drivers. He is a talented driver. I would rank him equal to Hakkinen for that mixture of aggression and consistency. Alonso is slightly better. The likes of Schumacher, Prost are well ahead of him.

As for the man himself, he's been in this game since he was a child, so I don't have any problems with him being arrogant, he's never known any other life. He's also the first successful black driver, so I put him there with Tiger Woods as a role model. It can't have been easy for him going to social events surrounded by rich white males in places like Monte Carlo, where you are looked down upon for your clothes, never mind your race.

You have to be an arrogant POS to be in F1. They all were, some were just better at hiding it than others...!

One thing I don't like about him is criticising the team over the radio, for the benefit of the TV audience.

Other than that, I can see him winning 6 championships, maybe 7, and he will be remembered as a great. Stats aren't everything in F1 though, few consider Schumacher and Fangio as the best drivers of all time.

Yeah because distinctly average drivers win world championships all the time. Absolute nonsense

TCP/IP

Gamb!t wrote: »

TCP/IP wrote: »

What Lewis said about Nico's clothes at the British GP interview just summed him up to be a terrible bitter human being.
I can admit that I am 100% not a fan of Lewis but I respect his four championships but he is a completely horrible human being.

Also, I am not one of the people that buy into this Fernando hype that he is one of the GOAT honestly I don't see it or even close to it.
I think in equal cars over a season Vettel wins every time over Lewis as he is a smarter racer.
Now that the Mercedes party modes are less effective we are seeing Hamilton struggle slightly whereas before he was pretty much guaranteed pole and the race win.

What did he say ?

He made a comment about when he steps away from the sport he will never be back and even if he did you would not be like a certain ex driver who turns up every race weekend wearing the same clothes. Truely shows the exact prat he his.

dloob

I thought it was interesting at the last race in Hungary.
I think it was Pinkham for sky before the race asked Kimi could he get get the jump on the others at the start?
Queue several seconds of Kimi walking along in silence apparently ignoring her before grunting we'll see.
Everyone is ho ho what a character Kimi is, great for the sport, etc.
If it was Hamilton it would have been oh my god what an entitled **** to respond that way, hang him!
Also Alonso has had long tiresome rants at his team and engineer for the last few races but also gets praised as some sort of race driver/stand up comedian.

As for one of the greats? Well the record speaks for itself doesn't it.

All F1 champs have been total twats, it seems to be a requirement, except Hakkinen of course, the exception that proves the rule.

Gamb!t

Good chance he will win his 5th championship title this weekend.
I'm starting to think he might might actually beat Schumachers record of 7.

flazio

Gamb!t wrote: »

Good chance he will win his 5th championship title this weekend.
I'm starting to think he might might actually beat Schumachers record of 7.

Match maybe but not outright beat. LeClerc and Verstappen are possible usurpers

AMKC

flazio wrote: »

Match maybe but not outright beat. LeClerc and Verstappen are possible usurpers

Possible being the main word in that sentence. That does not mean they will do it just they might. If the Mercedes is still the best car the next two years there is no doubt it will be Hamilton more than likely winning again unless Ferrari and Vettel get on form and stay on form for most of the year. Vettel need to get ahead of Hamilton next year and stay there if he wants to win the WDC next year.

flazio

I'm bringing this thread back up because clearly some people think they have new points to make. Or perhaps they'll read through this thread and realise it was all said before.

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flazio wrote: »

I'm bringing this thread back up because clearly some people think they have new points to make. Or perhaps they'll read through this thread and realise it was all said before.

Aw man, did you have to

d8491prj5boyvg

He's in the best car. I can't recall any moments where skill or nous got him out of trouble. No Schumacher at Hungary 98 moments. Bottas doing as well this year shows it all. I'm sure the bias within the team is in his favour too.

He's also annoying. I think he could have mourned lauda in a less conspicuous manner.

Charlie-Bravo

Oh dear, why did you have to bring up the thread again? It only fuels those who want to bash him.

I have my preferences on drivers, but I know I'm better than that to feed or encourage this.

The thread is best locked imo.

TCP/IP

astrofluff wrote: »

Oh dear, why did you have to bring up the thread again? It only fuels those who want to bash him.

I have my preferences on drivers, but I know I'm better than that to feed or encourage this.

The thread is best locked imo.

Absolutely not a good thing to lock this thread it’s the perfect place to discuss all things Lewis the other thread was not so totally agree with Lightings decision to clean it up.

Charlie-Bravo

I love reading this forum. The Hamilton stuff, well, meh at this stage.

So here's the question some people need to ask themselves; if they dislike Hamilton, why follow them on social media? Clearly that's how they get their gold.

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TCP/IP wrote: »

Absolutely not a good thing to lock this thread it’s the perfect place to discuss all things Lewis the other thread was not so totally agree with Lightings decision to clean it up.

To discuss him? Yes. For "he's in the best car" type conversations though, god no. How many times have the same old nonsense posts been posted, that people just can't be arsed refuting with actual evidence anymore? It's all been said, those who have a bias against him will continue to grind their axes no matter what anyone else says...last week it's what he wore to Lauda's funeral, next week it'll be some other tripe. What's the point of any of it?

As for being in the best car, it's been posted time and again how he's won races in cars that have been anything but the best at that time. Yes he's been in a dominant car for a few seasons now, but of course, everyone knows Senna, Schumacher, Prost, et all, always drove backmarker cars didn't they :rolleyes: Anyway, I think I'll bow out of this one, it's only going to end one way, and that's the same way it always ends - pages and pages of the same ****e that was posted this year, last year, the years before that, and so on.

joe swanson

Hamilton was being primed by mcclaren from an early age, given the best cars, best equipment, best of everything . It turned him into a good driver and a horribly spoiled man who acts like a sulky teenager .

A good driver not the best. He's never had to face adversity on the track

T-Maxx

Let's talk about Lewis, baby (sing it)
Let's talk about you and me (sing it, sing it)
Let's talk about all the good things
And the bad things that may be
Let's talk about Lewis (come on)
Let's talk about Lewis (do it)
Let's talk about Lewis (uh-huh)
Let's talk about Lewis

chicorytip

joe swanson wrote:

Hamilton was being primed by mcclaren from an early age, given the best cars, best equipment, best of everything . It turned him into a good driver and a horribly spoiled man who acts like a sulky teenager .

He had talent but no money, a black kid from a council estate. His (and his father's) single minded determination and persistence eventually was rewarded when Ron Dennis - who was sceptical of his ability - gave him his chance. I think the path that has led to his superstardom has been strewn with more obstacles than those of most previous champions.

Harika

Lewis has great fingernails, need to find out where he gets them done and does he have the best nails by all drivers? Discuss

d8491prj5boyvg

What about Max? He's much more annoying.

weekaizer

I find it hard to describe why I dislike Hamilton...I feel the same about him now as I did about vettel from 2011 to 2013. Seb has grown on me in fairness since he moved to Ferrari. I think Lewis just comes across as an arrogant self obsessed child who throws his toys out of the pram when he’s not happy. I also dislike his image and the way he talks. Comparing his interviews from 2007 and now it seems he’s morphed into a different person. Simply put, I think he’s become a dose to be honest. End rant.

d8491prj5boyvg

weekaizer wrote: »

I find it hard to describe why I dislike Hamilton...I feel the same about him now as I did about vettel from 2011 to 2013. Seb has grown on me in fairness since he moved to Ferrari. I think Lewis just comes across as an arrogant self obsessed child who throws his toys out of the pram when he’s not happy. I also dislike his image and the way he talks. Comparing his interviews from 2007 and now it seems he’s morphed into a different person. Simply put, I think he’s become a dose to be honest. End rant.

After multi 21 I lost a lot of respect for Seb. Tbh, there are few likeable drivers nowadays. LeClerc, Kimi I suppose. Lewis is a product of his time

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Sergio Loose Ukulele wrote: »

After multi 21 I lost a lot of respect for Seb. Tbh, there are few likeable drivers nowadays. LeClerc, Kimi I suppose. Lewis is a product of his time

Kimi is an absolute knob half the time, if Hamilton spoke to engineers the way Kimi can do, we'd never hear the end of it.

Charlie-Bravo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvmhdCOMuYc

Lewis was quite personable in today's drivers' conference (last interview).

weekaizer

astrofluff wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvmhdCOMuYc

Lewis was quite personable in today's drivers' conference (last interview).

To be fair I agree with Lewis in that the sport needs to be more entertaining and that the cars should be more difficult to drive. I would love all the traction control and launch controls to be banned from 2020 along with much simpler aerodynamics. It probably won’t happen though.

Robbo

chicorytip wrote: »

He had talent but no money, a black kid from a council estate. His (and his father's) single minded determination and persistence eventually was rewarded when Ron Dennis - who was sceptical of his ability - gave him his chance. I think the path that has led to his superstardom has been strewn with more obstacles than those of most previous champions.

It's easy to overstate the impact of meeting Ron Dennis on Hamilton's early years.

He was effectively a works kart driver from a very early point. The McLaren deal helped secure that into the long term to the point that the team he and Rosberg had for their two years at senior karting level was something beyond what the works teams were capable of.

flazio

He's an unapologetic Social Justice Warrior. And as such will always alienate a big chunk of Formula 1 fandom.

Burkie1203

flazio wrote: »

He's an unapologetic Social Justice Warrior. And as such will always alienate a big chunk of Formula 1 fandom.

That social justice doesn't include Malaysia though because they own one of his teams main sponsors

Think hypocrit is more appropriate word

NIMAN

He wants equality.

I wish I was an equal with him!

AndyBoBandy

I don't really follow F1, but do remember just before Hamilton's debut season, ITV (I think) did a piece on him that I happened to watch, and when the races started, and he kept finishing on the podium, I took a little notice that the guy must have been quite good to be finishing so high up so early in his career, regardless of what car he was in.

Back in January I was at a conference, where the guest speaker was a former F1 mechanic (called Elvis?), who worked with Hamilton at one stage, and we got chatting afterwards (about the fact we were both about to buy a Tesla), and a colleague brought up Hamilton and the guy said that Hamilton was an absolute pr1ck of the highest order.

The guy seemed genuine enough so I took his word that Hamilton is not a nice person.

Needles73

flazio wrote: »

He's an unapologetic Social Justice Warrior. And as such will always alienate a big chunk of Formula 1 fandom.

Social justice warrior who is happy to drive for Mercedes and Hugo Boss.....great history those companies have alright

NIMAN

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

and a colleague brought up Hamilton and the guy said that Hamilton was an absolute pr1ck of the highest order.

That has been reported many times in the media.

Anjobe

NIMAN wrote: »

That has been reported many times in the media.

And why single Hamilton out? Selfishness, arrogance and self-entitlement seem to be very common parts of the make up of a successful racing driver. Very few of them really come across as nice people.

Joeface

I hate commenting on this stuff .

Lewis Hamilton is a fantistic driver cannot argue with that , the stats speak for themselves .
But he is not the nicest of people , he does have to be no has to be. All you have to do is look how he Treat Nico Rosberg after he lost that battle . Even if you dont Like Nico Rosberg , he still treats lewis with the utmost respect when comentating on Races , but did receive an ounce of repect the other way as the only guy to beat him in the last 5years .

The best thing to do really is leave all the following behind . I did that a few years ago he annoys me much less , I enjoy the racing more . The need for these people to be on social media as a voice is pointless . this goes for all sporting People.
Pre and Post race interviews are all thats needed . They should not be held up as the voice of reason or role models. ( Role models of how to drive at the highest level maybe ) not anything from their private lives .

Anjobe

Burkie1203 wrote: »

That social justice doesn't include Malaysia though because they own one of his teams main sponsors

Think hypocrit is more appropriate word

If you are speaking out about injustice in Malaysia then good for you, if not then calling out someone else who isn't as a hypocrite is just hypocrisy itself.

Needles73

LIGHTNING wrote: »

lol I love when that tripe that gets rolled out especially on a forum (look up IBM).

Who is the social justice warrior sponsored by IBM ? Lol love when someone posts something irrelevant

quokula

The last time there was a single driver on the grid who had a car as good as the one he was in, and who wasn't a second rate driver specifically hired not to challenge him, he came second in a two horse race.

Over three seasons as Jenson Button's team-mate prior to that, he scored fewer points than Jenson. In that time Jenson secured a second place in the WDC - proving the McLaren was very capable of beating the Red Bull, because the one with Jenson in it did beat the one with Mark in it - yet Lewis never came higher than 4th in that period. The only title he's ever won that wasn't in a dominant Mercedes, was in a McLaren that was designed with the aid of illegally stolen Ferrari blueprints, with another subservient second rate Finnish team-mate in the other car. Even then Felipe Massa (who's a very likeable driver, but hardly an all time great) came within a lap of defeating him.

But to come back to 2016, before Mercedes overlooked many great drivers and chose to put Bottas in the second Mercedes to ensure Hamilton would win every title by default. In 2016 Lewis had a car under him that scored 20 out of 21 pole positions. It won 19 out of 21 races. The driver in the other car was Nico Rosberg, a journeyman who achieved two podiums and zero wins in his entire career outside of Mercedes. This wasn't Senna / Prost. Yet Hamilton failed to win that title. On top of his failure to even challenge for a title against the Red Bulls in a car that was capable of doing so in Button's hands before that, I find it utterly nonsensical that anyone can discuss him on a list of all time greats.

His recent clashes with Albon shows that his race craft continues to leave a lot to be desired. Regular collisions were a consistent part of his career up until a few years ago when he got a car that was too fast to ever need to race anyone. But the mistakes and blunders happen all too frequently on the rare occasion he is challenged. And I'm not even going to start going into his attitude issues and petulance both on the radio and post race whenever things don't go his way.

I hate that a lot of people are conflating criticism of Lewis with criticism of BLM or other initiatives. I fully support the causes he's been promoting and I find some of the above posts attacking him for being a "social justice warrior" to be pretty horrible. That doesn't mean I think he isn't a wildly overrated racing driver though.

Class MayDresser

Joeface wrote: »

. The need for these people to be on social media as a voice is pointless . this goes for all sporting People.
Pre and Post race interviews are all thats needed . They should not be held up as the voice of reason or role models. ( Role models of how to drive at the highest level maybe ) not anything from their private lives .

Ditto, why most sports stars are held as gauges for moral and social responsibilities is ridiculous. Drive the car,do your job. If it bothers you that much, let your sponsors know and drop them. Lead by example from your perched throne.