Brexit discussion thread IV

McMurphy

The UK government is in free fall by the looks of things.

4068ac1elhodqr

Boris may have a career in pantomine ahead of him to look forward to.

BonnieSituation

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Boris Johnson has resigned.


Theresa May could be gone at any time herself.


Reports.

Where are you seeing that?

BonnieSituation

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The UK government is in free fall by the looks of things.

Remember the multiple resignantions of our government in 2011?

Surely it won't get that bad...

Frank Bullitt

Yikes, Johnson done as well...we just need Gove now for a full house.

cml387

I though he promised David Cameron he'd be good.


Interesting to see what Michael Gove will do now?
Resign and run Boris's leadership campaign?

Kermit.de.frog

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Where are you seeing that?

Just speculation by political hacks. She could could be gone by the end of the week. Depends how the dust settles.

Concensus is that Boris is a much bigger blow to confidence in her than Davis.

bilston

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Boris Johnson has resigned.


Theresa May could be gone at any time herself.


Reports.

I think May will be safe in the short term. There needs to be a certain number of Tory MPs wanting a leadership race and even then they'd have to actually defeat May, and I don't think they would.

The irony of it all is that Cameron called the referendum to end the divide in the Tory party once and for all and keep Britain in the EU. I think it's fair to say he miscalculated.

Johnson resigning is no doubt part of some plot, but it will fail.

seamus

The irony is that with Johnson and Davis gone, there is a golden opportunity to put some competent people in their places and try and salvage something. But instead the UK will probably go to the polls less than 9 months away from the biggest political event in modern British history.

Itssoeasy

Teresa may will be speaking in the House of Commons in about 15 minutes. She needs to show a spine as it seems to be failing apart(more so than before I mean) for her.

"His departure came 30 minutes before Theresa May is due to address Parliament about her new Brexit plan, which has angered many Tory MPs."


I'm looking forward to watching that on parliamentlive.tv if it happens.

BorneTobyWilde

Brexit, what Brexit
May is weak, Trump would not put up with the EU dictating tactics on Brexit. It would be take it or leave it.

murpho999

Surely May cannot survive this crisis?

Harika

murpho999 wrote: »

Surely May cannot survive this crisis?

The million dollar question - expect a non confidence vote anytime now

Imreoir2

There was talk of a reshuffel on the cards. Davis/Johnson probably jumbped ship now and have it look like it was on principle rather than get shoved into some form of irrelevance like Secretary of State for International Development.

At least now Borris can get what he wanted from the start, to go back to being the leader of the eurosceptic protest wing of the Tories from the backbenches, writihg his column, waiting until he can angle himself into No. 10.

One wonders if JRM will really welcome being crowded out on the backbenches by other leadning Brexiteers?

Nody

seamus wrote: »

The irony is that with Johnson and Davis gone, there is a golden opportunity to put some competent people in their places and try and salvage something. But instead the UK will probably go to the polls less than 9 months away from the biggest political event in modern British history.

And Jeremy will claim it's proof that people want the Labour version of Brexit from it (which is the Tory version of hard crash out but with different regulation coming afterwards).

sink

I'd say Liam Fox is very likely to follow suit. He's done nothing and he'll have even less to do should May's plan lead to a soft Brexit.

Penn

murpho999 wrote: »

Surely May cannot survive this crisis?

The worst decision she's made throughout the entire Brexit thing is going for PM when Cameron stepped down even though she was on the Remain side. It was a poisoned chalice for anyone, but doubly so for a Remainer. And now she's so deep into it she can't pull out of it.

She'll try and stay. It'll be up to the Tory party to force her to leave. The big question then will be given how deep they are in negotiations and how it's likely they'll get no deal, will it be a Brexiter or Remainer who ascends to the throne? Given the timeframe for Brexit and the desperation of May's proposals this weekend and how giving up so much control is still their best option, will enough of the Tory party try to reverse Brexit?

Leroy42

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Brexit, what Brexit
May is weak, Trump would not put up with the EU dictating tactics on Brexit. It would be take it or leave it.

Em, isn't this exactly what TM and DD tried to do, and then the EU said they would leave it.

So, just like Trump, they were forced to climbdown when reality encroached. It is easy to be Billy Big Balls when you are not in the ring!

LuckyLloyd

Penn wrote: »

The worst decision she's made throughout the entire Brexit thing is going for PM when Cameron stepped down even though she was on the Remain side. It was a poisoned chalice for anyone, but doubly so for a Remainer. And now she's so deep into it she can't pull out of it.

She'll try and stay. It'll be up to the Tory party to force her to leave. The big question then will be given how deep they are in negotiations and how it's likely they'll get no deal, will it be a Brexiter or Remainer who ascends to the throne? Given the timeframe for Brexit and the desperation of May's proposals this weekend and how giving up so much control is still their best option, will enough of the Tory party try to reverse Brexit?

How is it her worst decision? All these people desire the top job. Getting it is the prize, and then holding onto it for as long as possible. Extraordinary times gave her a shot she otherwise would have been unlikely to receive. Had Remain carried the referendum, Cameron would still likely be PM facing off Corbyn on social / economic issues in the UK.

As it is, she is fixed in history forever, the second female Prime Minister ever and one who will have her contributions and period in charge analysed by Political commentators and students long after she's dead. That's what these people live for.

BorneTobyWilde

''friends''
The room ''LOL''

Dymo

I wonder did Boris go because he has a better opinion of the feeling in the Conservative party, maybe he has the numbers to topple May.

At this stage to me Brexit means Brexit, they might as well just prepare for WTO rules, then on March 30th the real negotiations can begin.

May is just hangin in there trying to get a Canada Deal or a Norway deal and as time is running out she has to act quick.

Inquitus

Tory leadership odds mean it looks inevitable that the winner will be a hard Brexiteer, should enough Torys write to the 1922 committee and May lose the subsequent vote.

Itssoeasy

Boris had passion. The House of Commons goes LOL.

flatty

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Brexit, what Brexit
May is weak, Trump would not put up with the EU dictating tactics on Brexit. It would be take it or leave it.

It's easy to be a bully when you have a big stick. TM, for all her faults, has no ammunition.

Leroy42

Dymo wrote: »

I wonder did Boris go because he has a better opinion of the feeling in the Conservative party, maybe he has the numbers to topple May.

At this stage to me Brexit means Brexit, they might as well just prepare for WTO rules, then on March 30th the real negotiations can begin.

May is just hangin in there trying to get a Canada Deal or a Norway deal and as time is running out she has to act quick.

Are you aware of the implications of the path you are suggesting? Hard Border in NI, so reneging on an International agreement against the wishes of both the people in ROI and NI for a start.

Either massive issues with ports and airports, or temporarily opening the borders, which my first bet would see the entire camp at Calais move to the UK.

FrancieBrady

May sounds as rattled as she did after the December debacle.

Harika

May brings up the new technology what will be brought forward to solve the border import issues. lol That this is not dead yet and brought back up to life while every SME says it won't work in time for Brexit.

Itssoeasy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

May sounds as rattled as she did after the December debacle.

The opposition benches are having fun with this situation. A week is a long time in politics.

Leroy42

TM in the house

She says the EU goods regulation that the UK would have to accept are relatively stable. There would be a parliamentary lock on any new laws, she says.

She says parliament would be able to reject any proposals if it wanted, recognising that there would be consequences.

How is that any different to what they have now, except that the UK will now, under BRexit, have no saw whatsoever in the formulation of said proposal.

And saying they are relatively stable is simply a nonsense. There are stable in as much as the current regulations tend not to change. But we have only recently seen the introduction of GDPR. When she mentioned consequences, does she envisage another round of negotiations everytime the UK decide they don't like something?