Brexit discussion thread IV

listermint

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Interesting listening to the English journalist Liam Halligan today on Eamon Dunphys podcast. One of his main points was that if the British get a free trade deal with the US there will be a new improved trading channel opened up between two of our main trading partners sort of bypassing us and maybe taking trade from us too. Ireland will be stuck in a free trade zone with countries such as Lithuania which doesn’t really make much sense.

Sounds like halligan is an idiot. We are in the EU which has a larger market than the US and trade deals left right and centre.

The stupid na na na approach to being in some sort of future deal with he us is nonsense. The UK is a small market and will be ridden by the US. The UK will have very little leverage or negotiation power. And frankly void of negotiation skills as has been demonstrated over the last 27 months. Did I mention the EU is local.



The guy is an idiot

listermint

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Halligan specifically mentioned Lithuania. I’m assuming his point is that they are at the far side of Europe compared to Britain being next door.

Did he assume the EU is next door and the US is the other side of a sea and an ocean...

Capt'n Midnight

Lots of the stuff produced here by the US multinationals can use the magic of transfer pricing to or from other divisions.

So they can evade tariffs and tax with a little creative accounting.

It's the UK I'd be worried about, the terms of any trade deal will hurt.
BAE Systems would be a fine example of corporate welfare that should do quite well by playing them off.

All Seeing Eye

listermint wrote: »

Did he assume the EU is next door and the US is the other side of a sea and an ocean...

Even though they are the other side of the sea they are still our biggest export market...amazing that.

murphaph

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Halligan specifically mentioned Lithuania. I’m assuming his point is that they are at the far side of Europe compared to Britain being next door.

Yeah and between us and Lithuania are 26 other EU states to do business with. Between the UK and the US there are several thousand miles of open ocean and multiple time zones. It's easier to trade with your neighbours. The UK is about to find out how easy it was when they leave.

All Seeing Eye

murphaph wrote: »

Yeah and between us and Lithuania are 26 other EU states to do business with. Between the UK and the US there are several thousand miles of open ocean and multiple time zones. It's easier to trade with your neighbours. The UK is about to find out how easy it was when they leave.

You probably have Stockholm syndrome living in Berlin....see what I did there :cool:

murphaph

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

You probably have Stockholm syndrome living in Berlin....see what I did there :cool:

No, not really.

I was in Stockholm a couple of weeks ago and passed by the old bank. Is it about that?

All Seeing Eye

murphaph wrote: »

No, not really.

I was in Stockholm a couple of weeks ago and passed by the bank. Is it about that?

See your becoming a humourless Eurocrat you need to come back home.

murphaph

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

See your becoming a humourless Eurocrat you need to come back home.

And you need to stop reading the English red-tops.

An Ciarraioch

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Havockk wrote: »

Is it impossible to find US products on Irish shelves?

Logic has lost all meaning this past few years.

The point the English journalist Liam Halligan was trying to make is that eventually over time we could lose US investment which won’t be good for our economic health. Also when you think about it we have cultural and trade links with Britain as they are right beside us when compared to every other country in Europe.

We will become the largest English-speaking nation in the EU once the UK leaves, and the US will still require a stable economic partner within the bloc, so no reason for them to downscale activities. As for Britain, yes it'll be a massive challenge for farmers and agribusiness in particular, but exports to the UK fell to 9% of our global total last year - perhaps slightly over-dependent on them for imports, but little that can't be supplied from elsewhere.

All Seeing Eye

murphaph wrote: »

And you need to stop reading the English red-tops.

Ah don’t be like that. Living in the Reich can’t be that bad that you’ve totally lost your sense of humour.

ancapailldorcha

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Ah don’t be like that. Living in the Reich can’t be that bad that you’ve totally lost your sense of humour.

Banned.

listermint

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Lots of the stuff produced here by the US multinationals can use the magic of transfer pricing to or from other divisions.

So they can evade tariffs and tax with a little creative accounting.

It's the UK I'd be worried about, the terms of any trade deal will hurt.
BAE Systems would be a fine example of corporate welfare that should do quite well by playing them off.

They evade that using the EU. There's numerous Sandwich deals for that. Also access to that market is vital. The UK doesn't have that.

kuro68k

German language lessons are booming in Japan. It's been on the news, they can't get enough teachers. They need a new EU gateway after brexit.

Capt'n Midnight

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

We will become the largest English-speaking nation in the EU once the UK leaves, and the US will still require a stable economic partner within the bloc, so no reason for them to downscale activities.

Not to mention that we will be the only common-law country in the EU when they leave.

Rjd2

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

No, what's depressing is that this is a room full of people who consider attending Question Time to be a good use of an evening. These are people who would be more politically savvy and engaged than most and the level of debate is pathetic.

I don't like to sneer as here I am posting on a politics message board on Friday night:pac: but I don't understand why people watch the show, as so many people who watch it seem to hate it as they realise its not satisfying from a debate pov.

I also wish people would understand the format a little more, some weeks its three right wingers and two lefites, other weeks its 3 lefties and 2 right wingers, stop crying about your "side" not been represented, heck go watch Frasier or something.

Its very poor boring also as most people who are picked seem there to "trigger the other side", nothing more substantial than that.

J Mysterio

Question Time is the flagship current affairs/ political debate show of the BBC and the only one of note in the UK. You expect a good standard. Historically it was pretty good. Like many institutions, Question Time has not coped with Brexit.

An Claidheamh

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

The point the English journalist Liam Halligan was trying to make is that eventually over time we could lose US investment which won’t be good for our economic health. Also when you think about it we have cultural and trade links with Britain as they are right beside us when compared to every other country in Europe.

When they use the "cultural links" card, you already know the Brexiteers have lost the argument. Smells of desperation.

Liam Halligan is a British fool, who once confronted by facts, just talks faster.

If the British want to leave Europe, then Lithuania is somewhere we have more in common with. He thinks t v at Irish people are as xenophobic as he is.

You didn't even notice that the US is further away than the EU?

Someone said it earlier, Britain is truly a self-centred country.

They've now been exposed globally.

smurgen

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

listermint wrote: »

Did he assume the EU is next door and the US is the other side of a sea and an ocean...

Even though they are the other side of the sea they are still our biggest export market...amazing that.

The EU is the biggest consumer market in the World.

Seth Brundle

Comedian Patrick Kielty has launched into BJs lies and ignorance about the NI backstop through 20 or so tweets...

https://twitter.com/PatricKielty/status/1045782711816708096?s=19

Igotadose

David Davis whines to the press about Brexit, trying to cast shade on Macron and Merkel. As he was Brexit secretary for 2 years, this is pretty damned amusing, considering he basically got nothing done:

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-davis-angela-merkel-and-emmanuel-macron-dont-want-uk-to-succeed-on-brexit/

J Mysterio

Bloody brilliantly put.

If im not mistaken, Kielty is an apolitical unionist who's father was killed by the RA.

BonnieSituation

J Mysterio wrote: »

Bloody brilliantly put.

If im not mistaken, Kielty is an apolitical unionist who's father was killed by the RA.

He's an apolitical nationalist who's dad was killed by loyalists.

ancapailldorcha

J Mysterio wrote: »

Bloody brilliantly put.

If im not mistaken, Kielty is an apolitical unionist who's father was killed by the RA.

Spot on. He made an excellent programme for the BBC about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQJDoiqBjBE

J Mysterio

BonnieSituation wrote: »

He's an apolitical nationalist who's dad was killed by loyalists.

That's the one!

Nitrogan

The UK has been hijacked by Brexit terrorists who can't actually figure out between themselves whether they're looking for a ransom with safe haven or on a suicide mission. Unfortunately the passengers are lead by a depressed Communist who is only waiting to make his own ultimatums rather than over power them and return safely to global capitalist reality back on earth.

joeysoap

J Mysterio wrote: »

Bloody brilliantly put.

If im not mistaken, Kielty is an apolitical unionist who's father was killed by the RA.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

He's an apolitical nationalist who's dad was killed by loyalists.

I think the clue is in the his name Patrick Kielty.

Enzokk

Igotadose wrote: »

David Davis whines to the press about Brexit, trying to cast shade on Macron and Merkel. As he was Brexit secretary for 2 years, this is pretty damned amusing, considering he basically got nothing done:

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-davis-angela-merkel-and-emmanuel-macron-dont-want-uk-to-succeed-on-brexit/

There was no way that even with the very difficult position that the UK was with Brexit that it was going to succeed with Davis in charge. Even this interview you find interesting tidbits.

He still thinks the UK is some special snowflake and they are unique to any other country in the EU. He still believes that the reason why the EU is making it difficult is not because of the integration and the way the EU works, but it is because Macron and Merkel wants to ensure that Brexit is not seen as a success.

When it comes to making Brexit difficult, Davis, who resigned in protest at Theresa May’s Chequers plan, said the French were mainly to blame.

“Number one, they are the most committed to the ‘you cannot be seen to succeed argument because it will encourage other people,’” Davis said. “It’s a daft argument, frankly. There is nobody like us, in truth, nobody has the upside we have, the upside of the rest of the world."

I guess it doesn't even register to him that the reason why the UK is as strong as it is, is because it is part of the EU. He seems to think that the EU is holding them back.

MBSnr

More car manufacturer news today - Toyota warns no-deal Brexit would halt production at key plant.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/work/industrial-relations/news/98659/toyota-warns-no-deal-brexit-would-halt-production-key

Nitrogan

Enzokk wrote: »

I guess it doesn't even register to him that the reason why the UK is as strong as it is, is because it is part of the EU. He seems to think that the EU is holding them back.

They had the IMF in during the '70s before joining the EU didn't they?

From an Irish perspective if we're going to be living in the past there was a study done which calculated that being so dependent on the UK after WWII as our major trading partner, far more than it is now, depressed our economic growth significantly and delayed our development by as much as a decade because their economy was such a basket case.