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Giveitfong

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

Hardly a poor KK team either, Peter Barry, Philly Larkin, Brian McEvoy, PJ Delaney, Denis Byrne... no shortage of AI medals On their mantle pieces.

Waterford were a bit of a one man forward line in Munster. with Flynn running riot on his own, but KK managed to curtail him in the semi.

In the Munster semi-final that year, Flynn (2-11) scored more than Tipperary (2-8). Waterford scored 2-16 in total. They had a good win against Clare in the Munster final with Tony Browne superb at centre back and Flynn hitting 1-6. We were never at the races in a very disappointing semi-final (2-21 to 3-6). Kilkenny also had an easy win against Galway in the final. They just had to play Antrim to get there - a very lop-sided championship arrangement. Flynn was the top scorer in the overall championship by a mile.

Stacksofwacks

Giveitfong wrote: »

In the Munster semi-final that year, Flynn (2-11) scored more than Tipperary (2-8). Waterford scored 2-16 in total. They had a good win against Clare in the Munster final with Tony Browne superb at centre back and Flynn hitting 1-6. We were never at the races in a very disappointing semi-final (2-21 to 3-6). Kilkenny also had an easy win against Galway in the final. They just had to play Antrim to get there - a very lop-sided championship arrangement. Flynn was the top scorer in the overall championship by a mile.

Between 92-98 we had some wicked bad days. Kerry in 93 was a major kick in the teeth. A spirited loss to Limerick in 94. 95 was horrendous. Beaten out the gate by Clare in a league semi final and then destroyed by Tipp in the Munster championship. Had narrow losses 96 and 97 to Tipp and Limerick but 98 it looked possibly our last chance to do something and it looked by that stage the whole thing had been squandered.

PTH2009

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Between 92-98 we had some wicked bad days. Kerry in 93 was a major kick in the teeth. A spirited loss to Limerick in 94. 95 was horrendous. Beaten out the gate by Clare in a league semi final and then destroyed by Tipp in the Munster championship. Had narrow losses 96 and 97 to Tipp and Limerick but 98 it looked possibly our last chance to do something and it looked by that stage the whole thing had been squandered.

from reading books it seemed we got a bit cocky for the 93 Kerry game esp as we won the U21 all ireland the year prior

as regards this year a small glimmer of hope of something taking place before the end of the year with the governments plans

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0501/1136173-gaa-and-soccer-projected-to-resume-in-july/

Stacksofwacks

PTH2009 wrote: »

from reading books it seemed we got a bit cocky for the 93 Kerry game esp as we won the U21 all ireland the year prior

as regards this year a small glimmer of hope of something taking place before the end of the year with the governments plans

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0501/1136173-gaa-and-soccer-projected-to-resume-in-july/

I think cocky is the wrong word, we were looking to a semi final with Tipp than thinking about Kerry. If it was football Kerry would be doing the same. It was unfortunate what happened and definitely set us back psychologically for a number of years.

Mastermcgrath

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

I think cocky is the wrong word, we were looking to a semi final with Tipp than thinking about Kerry. If it was football Kerry would be doing the same. It was unfortunate what happened and definitely set us back psychologically for a number of years.

That game gets more air time on here than any other.... Shur PTH2009 was on here looking for a video of it a couple weeks back, presumably he needed cheering up. Thankfully there were no cameras in Walsh Park that day.
On a serious note though 93 was a completely different era for Waterford, the senior side was at an all time low despite the underage successes of 92. We would have been akin to the likes of Laois in terms if where we would have stood today, a good bit off the top sides but still would Have been expected to take care of Kerry. It shouldn’t really have sent the major shockwaves it did, especially when you hear the noises that came out from the camp afterwards. It’s more the fact that it was Kerry’s first championship win since 1905 that made the airwaves. For many in Waterford it just compounded what was already known, that the senior team setup was a shambles.

Giveitfong

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

On a serious note though 93 was a completely different era for Waterford, the senior side was at an all time low despite the underage successes of 92. We would have been akin to the likes of Laois in terms if where we would have stood today, a good bit off the top sides but still would Have been expected to take care of Kerry. It shouldn’t really have sent the major shockwaves it did, especially when you hear the noises that came out from the camp afterwards. It’s more the fact that it was Kerry’s first championship win since 1905 that made the airwaves. For many in Waterford it just compounded what was already known, that the senior team setup was a shambles.

Mastermcgrath is simply wrong in his perception of the status of Waterford hurling in the early 1990s. In the 1991 Munster championship, Waterford lost to Cork (the reigning All-Ireland champions) by a flukey Kevin Hennessy goal. In 1992, they beat Clare after a replay and lost the semi-final by a goal to Limerick. This is a game they probably should have won and probably would have if Georgie Leahy had brought on Johnny Brenner as a sub after Shane Ahearne got injured. Brenner was already one of the best midfielders in Ireland at the time but was on the bench because he was involved in university examinations in the run-up to the game. The following Wednesday night he played Brian Corcoran off the field in Walsh Park in the Munster Under-21 semi-final, the first step on Waterford’s march to All-Ireland victory.

In 1991 Waterford finished third in Division 1 of the National Hurling League and lost the quarter-final to Offaly after extra time. In 1992 they lost a play-off against Cork for a place in the league semi-final. In 1993 they again lost a play-off against Cork, this time for a place in the league quarter-final. Waterford were definitely very competitive in the top level at that stage.

However, I definitely agree with Mastermcgrath’s view that the senior team setup was a shambles under Georgie Leahy. Waterford were very unlucky that he was in charge just as a new wave of good young hurlers was appearing on the scene. In particular, Johnny Brenner lost interest and Growler Daly, who had a great understanding with Brenner, fell by the wayside.

thesultan

Johnny brenner played in 2001. Hardly loosing interest

thesultan

Johnny brenner played in 2001. Hardly loosing interest

McBurgermacs

thesultan wrote: »

Johnny brenner played in 2001. Hardly loosing interest

Did he not sit out about 5 years tho between 96 and 01?

Mastermcgrath

McBurgermacs wrote: »

Did he not sit out about 5 years tho between 96 and 01?

Yea pretty sure he emigrated. Returned in 09/00. He did break back into the side but more as a workhorse at centre forward, wa only a shadow of the supremely talented 20/21 year old.

Deise Gael

tbf the set up under Georgie Leahy was absolutely appalling - all you have to do is look at the team that was fielded against Kerry. But to blame him for Daly and Brenner not playing is nonsensical.

Neither of them wanted it enough to put in the effort, which is fine. It's an amateur game after all.

PTH2009

Few of the players from the 2007-2014 days always have good account of themselves but sadly must faded away without much recognition

Aidan Kearney, Richie Foley, Jamie Nagle, the 2 Prendergasts, James Murray

PF28

PTH2009 wrote: »

Few of the players from the 2007-2014 days always have good account of themselves but sadly must faded away without much refnoticsion

Aidan Kearney, Richie Foley, Jamie Nagle, the 2 Prendergasts, James Murray

What?

redlead

PF28 wrote: »

What?

I think PTH is after discovering his dad's secret stash of vintage Hoffman's ;-)

Deise Gael

PTH2009 wrote: »

Few of the players from the 2007-2014 days always have good account of themselves but sadly must faded away without much refnoticsion

Aidan Kearney, Richie Foley, Jamie Nagle, the 2 Prendergasts, James Murray

All those lads gave great service. Probably the fact that they are all very private lads and don't court media interviews might colour your opinion of them.

Just a thought.

PTH2009

redlead wrote: »

I think PTH is after discovering his dad's secret stash of vintage Hoffman's ;-)

nah just made a bollox of the question, meant to be
'Few of the players from the 2007-2014 days always have good account of themselves but sadly must faded away without much recognition'

thesultan

Would love to hear an interview with Clinton Hennessy and his journey.

Gardner

Speaking to local chairman over the weekend, he said the club won't be taking part in any form of championship at any level this year until a vaccine is in place and a clear structure is set out by the GAA. Basically what he as getting at was that amateur players should not be guinea pigs for any sport in what is perceived to be best practice without proper guidance and insurance.

liogairmhordain

thesultan wrote: »

Would love to hear an interview with Clinton Hennessy and his journey.

from a couple of years back:


https://www.irishnews.com/sport/hurlingandcamogie/2017/09/02/news/-oh-f-sake-i-wish-this-was-over---clinton-hennessy-on-08-final-and-life-in-loughgiel-1126259/

PTH2009

liogairmhordain wrote: »

from a couple of years back:


https://www.irishnews.com/sport/hurlingandcamogie/2017/09/02/news/-oh-f-sake-i-wish-this-was-over---clinton-hennessy-on-08-final-and-life-in-loughgiel-1126259/

sad to think he wasant on the Ardmore team that won the AI junior title in 2017/18

if i remember correctly he was doing commentary for WLR that day

Stacksofwacks

Deise Gael wrote: »

tbf the set up under Georgie Leahy was absolutely appalling - all you have to do is look at the team that was fielded against Kerry. But to blame him for Daly and Brenner not playing is nonsensical.

Neither of them wanted it enough to put in the effort, which is fine. It's an amateur game after all.

Some crazy talk about Georgie Leahy on this board. The man had a very good coaching record and is held in the highest regard within his own county. I accept his time with Waterford wasn't a success, but maybe him being an old school hurling man from Kilkenny he wasn't all that dazzled by our so called rising stars at the time.

upthedeise16

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Some crazy talk about Georgie Leahy on this board. The man had a very good coaching record and is held in the highest regard within his own county. I accept his time with Waterford wasn't a success, but maybe him being an old school hurling man from Kilkenny he wasn't all that dazzled by our so called rising stars at the time.

Heard Cheddar Plunkett on about him with Brian Carroll on his podcast, A Hurler’s Life and he seemed to have good time for him. Can’t say I know anything about him, slightly before my time

PTH2009

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Heard Cheddar Plunkett on about him with Brian Carroll on his podcast, A Hurler’s Life and he seemed to have good time for him. Can’t say I know anything about him, slightly before my time

Seemed a hurling man through and through, helped out in many counties. Old school

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgie_Leahy

kilkennyboy

Georgie leahy would be regarded very highly with anyone that was ever involved
In hurling in kilkenny. Brilliant man and I was lucky enough to have hurled under
Was way ahead of his time.

debok

No intercounty games till at least October

PTH2009

debok wrote: »

No intercounty games till at least October

Tough choice really

Do they just leave the clubs it (play NHL/NFL games which will impact 2021) and start the IC season proper again in Jan 2021

Play a straight knockout IC championship in both codes and have it done by the end of November. Play clubs alongside that for counties knocked out?

deisedude

PTH2009 wrote: »

Tough choice really

Do they just leave the clubs it (play NHL/NFL games which will impact 2021) and start the IC season proper again in Jan 2021

Play a straight knockout IC championship in both codes and have it done by the end of November. Play clubs alongside that for counties knocked out?

Just forget about finding a solution until we know more in a few months time what the landscape is

Might as well be p1ssing in the wind speculating

Mastermcgrath

debok wrote: »

No intercounty games till at least October

Only compounding what we already knew. The championship and GAA as we know it is over for this year.

This announcement is more about giving players clarity so they can get on with their lives over the coming months as many have been stuck in limbo expected to train alone and maintain the standards expected of intercounty players except without any realistic prospect of any games. That must be fairly ****

PTH2009

Id take an All Ireland win this year no matter what farce of a struture its could/will be :D

seananigans

PTH2009 wrote: »

Id take an All Ireland win this year no matter what farce of a struture its could/will be :D

do away with inter county and award to either league winners finishing the league or the club champions ,we stand a chance in both