Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

jelutong

debok wrote: »

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

Magrath can't come back so. Sure he feels there all like sons!!!!!!

Having him back as Waterford Personnel Manager would be a small price to pay for not having him on “The Sunday Game” panel.

decies

I hate both those teams #allireland

PTH2009

Sheedy returning for a 2nd stint and he wins an All Ireland

Derek might be thinking he could do the same with us

alta stare

PTH2009 wrote: »

Sheedy returning for a 2nd stint and he wins an All Ireland

Derek might be thinking he could do the same with us

Difference with Liam Sheedy is that he builds a winning team and doesnt talk rubbish.

Mulbert

alta stare wrote: »

Difference with Liam Sheedy is that he builds a winning team and doesnt talk rubbish.

Yes, and we have fick all forwards.

Road-Hog

Mulbert wrote: »

Yes, and we have fick all forwards.

Can’t agree there. It’s management and proper structure and game plan that obviously makes the differences.......Tipp were a farce last year now look at them.

mountgomery burns

To be fair, those Tipp lads have won 3 all Irelands and unlucky not to have 4 or 5. They are really class hurlers and better than what we have.

alta stare

Mulbert wrote: »

Yes, and we have fick all forwards.

We have enough in our team to be at least winning munster and frequently getting to All Ireland semis. One day it will click for us and we will hoist the holy grail and im afraid that day wont come if we go back to Derek. Yes he could make us competitive but our problem is that teams under him whilt when the pressure of seeing out a game hits them.

Mulbert

alta stare wrote: »

We have enough in our team to be at least winning munster and frequently getting to All Ireland semis. One day it will click for us and we will hoist the holy grail and im afraid that day wont come if we go back to Derek. Yes he could make us competitive but our problem is that teams under him whilt when the pressure of seeing out a game hits them.

Fair play, but optimistic view points will not get us far. Realistically, who will score heavily for us? The Bennetts might pop up for 3 or 4 between them. Aussie on form might get 2 or 3 then..

hurler on de ditch

Mulbert wrote: »

Fair play, but optimistic view points will not get us far. Realistically, who will score heavily for us? The Bennetts might pop up for 3 or 4 between them. Aussie on form might get 2 or 3 then..

ffs

Road-Hog

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

ffs

How did we manage 4-23 r something v cork in the semi two years ago.......?

upthedeise16

Much better analysis from McGrath tonight, picking out tactics that had an effect on the match and the good movement of Callanan rather than his previous rubbish

cul beag

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Much better analysis from McGrath tonight, picking out tactics that had an effect on the match and the good movement of Callanan rather than his previous rubbish

His wings have definitely been clipped since his laughable outburst the last night. No article on any paper on the most important weekend of the year tells you his ratings have fallen quickly and not before time.

mountgomery burns

cul beag wrote: »

His wings have definitely been clipped since his laughable outburst the last night. No article on any paper on the most important weekend of the year tells you his ratings have fallen quickly and not before time.

He had one on Friday, did about 20 interviews as well during the week.

Mastermcgrath

cul beag wrote: »

His wings have definitely been clipped since his laughable outburst the last night. No article on any paper on the most important weekend of the year tells you his ratings have fallen quickly and not before time.

He’s literally been on every media outlet over the past 2 weeks. RTÉ, OTB, Joe.ie. His stock has never been higher in media circles

debok

PTH2009 wrote: »

Sheedy returning for a 2nd stint and he wins an All Ireland

Derek might be thinking he could do the same with us

Sheedy won one the first time around as well though.

Mysterypunter

Good documentary on now about the Galway Waterford final.

Gardner

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Much better analysis from McGrath tonight, picking out tactics that had an effect on the match and the good movement of Callanan rather than his previous rubbish

best pundit out there. head and shoulders above any of the rest. the attention to detail is what sets him heads and shoulders of were Fanning was this year and definitely going forward over Bonnar or Queally.

decies

The next Waterford Hurling manager imho needs to have at least a couple of all Ireland medals in his closet , they get it wrong again I fear we could become irrelevant again for another decade .

hardybuck

Wasn't it depressing to see Offaly lads at the 25 year jubilee yesterday and everyone knows in their hearts that they'll be the old lads in years to come who'll be referred to as the last team to win anything.

Their footballers too mind - three All Ireland's between 1971 and 1982 and they're a Div 3/4 county now.

upthedeise16

hardybuck wrote: »

Wasn't it depressing to see Offaly lads at the 25 year jubilee yesterday and everyone knows in their hearts that they'll be the old lads in years to come who'll be referred to as the last team to win anything.

Their footballers too mind - three All Ireland's between 1971 and 1982 and they're a Div 3/4 county now.

They won 1998, that was the 94 team so they won’t be the last team to win anything

hardybuck

upthedeise16 wrote: »

They won 1998, that was the 94 team so they won’t be the last team to win anything

Sorry, correct, but you get the thrust of my message - look how quickly things can go downhill.

debok

hardybuck wrote: »

Sorry, correct, but you get the thrust of my message - look how quickly things can go downhill.

In fairness Offaly have been going downhill for about 18 years. It didn't happen overnight. They took there eye off the ball when successful. A county that small can't afford to do that. In saying that Offaly had 80s and 90s of success and part of 70s so are they just after reverting to the position they should be in for there size and playing population. They had no history of success before those decades. I wouldn't be panicking in Waterford yet but we are on slippery slope.

BlueFox90

decies wrote: »

The next Waterford Hurling manager imho needs to have at least a couple of all Ireland medals in his closet , they get it wrong again I fear we could become irrelevant again for another decade .

I think if we got Brian Cody ,we would not win an All Ireland with current crop of players. When looking at the others team , we just don't have the forwards to compete. Unfortunately too many of same hurlers. If you put it in their hand with space they can score but we don't have people to win their own ball or make scores from nothing

deiseach

Brian Cody not winning an All-Ireland with the current Waterford crop doesn't tell us much. He couldn't win the All-Ireland with the current Kilkenny crop either. He dragged them to the final though, and I'm certain he'd do wonders for us if he were so inclined.

Mastermcgrath

BlueFox90 wrote: »

I think if we got Brian Cody

I stopped reading here

Fred C Dobbs

Was in Croke Park .... interesting to observe Tipp management. Sheedy was like a man possessed throughout the whole game ; in the warm up Eamonn O'Shea was running alongside and passing balls to Callanan who was striking them on the run ; Tommy Dunne must have covered more ground than some of the players during his excursions onto the pitch. No wonder they won. In addition, Tipp have the considerable financial clout of Teneo as sponsor.

The extra man made Tipp look like world beaters the longer the game went on (a bit like Waterford in 2017 semi final after Cork were reduced to 14 men). If Conor Gleeson got a red card for his indiscretion in the latter game, then Hogan/Kilkenny can have no complaints (though they won't forget that incident too quickly).

hardybuck

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

Was in Croke Park .... interesting to observe Tipp management. Sheedy was like a man possessed throughout the whole game ; in the warm up Eamonn O'Shea was running alongside and passing balls to Callanan who was striking them on the run ; Tommy Dunne must have covered more ground than some of the players during his excursions onto the pitch. No wonder they won. In addition, Tipp have the considerable financial clout of Teneo as sponsor.

The extra man made Tipp look like world beaters the longer the game went on (a bit like Waterford in 2017 semi final after Cork were reduced to 14 men). If Conor Gleeson got a red card for his indiscretion in the latter game, then Hogan/Kilkenny can have no complaints (though they won't forget that incident too quickly).

Both counties have bought into the cult of the manager. Most hurling counties seem to actually lately - but I wouldn't say that's necessarily the template to follow.

In addition to a good sponsor they have an excellent fundraising society.

Tipp as you noted have a hugely animated and psyched up management team. Sheedy seems to get lads to give an extra bit, and got lads like Bubbles and Cathal Barrett back.

Cody on the other hand is hugely aggressive when he's unhappy with the opposition or the referee, but otherwise fairly quiet. Talk to any KK player past or present and they're absolutely terrified but massively respectful of him. They're like kids trying to get affection off this disinterested father - his like will probably never be seen again.

Jim Gavin however is absolutely passive on the line. No emotions or raising his voice. The players know what they need to do, and if they don't they're going to be replaced by someone who can - it would remind you of Joe Schmidt. That style mightn't work in another county where they aren't laden down with awesome players.

Alf Tupper

Big money on Queally and Dan!

PTH2009

Alf Tupper wrote: »

Big money on Queally and Dan!

meh but I think the players will respect them