Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

upthedeise16

Deisegodeo wrote: »

Solid win for lismore in first game of the weekend, beat ballyduff upper 1-21 to 0-15.

Maurice was unplayable, even when Ballyduff put a sweeper in front of him. Impressed with Daly at centre back as well, only finished school so has a lot of potential

PTH2009

The waterford lads will be flying for there clubs going by Maurices showing tonight

Dan came on apparently for lismore

cul beag

Lismore were comfortable winners tonight against a poor Ballyduff outfit. Maurice was on fire and really was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch. Jack Prendergast when moved to midfield for the second half put in a huge shift as did young Iarlaith Daly in the half back line. He is definitely a talent and one for the future. Seanie Barry made 2 brilliant saves in the second half and even if they were to have gone in it would have not been a true reflection of the game.
Miley Kearney huffed and puffed but really produced very little as has been most of his year to date at inter county level. Could they be relegation candidates? They would be considered very much so after tonight. They played a sweeper in front of Maurice but to little success and all it did was free up John Prendergast or his brother David at different times to catch uncontested balls and deliver accurately to the Lismore forwards. Dan then arrived on for the last 10mins and at 42 yrs old he is still a handful around the square. They have a nucleus of a good team but their efforts won’t be helped by the unavailability of Ray Barry due to work commitments for the next 2 years.
As Derby games go it never caught fire as Lismore let by 11pts 15 minutes into the game and really never looked like relinquishing it from there on in. DLS, Ballygunner still look to be teams to be beat in this year’s championship.

Jerry Atrick

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Maurice was unplayable, even when Ballyduff put a sweeper in front of him. Impressed with Daly at centre back as well, only finished school so has a lot of potential

Anything to Growler?

upthedeise16

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

Anything to Growler?

His son

DiscoStew

upthedeise16 wrote: »

His son

Incorrect.

Possibly a nephew. But certainly not his son.

Stacksofwacks

DiscoStew wrote: »

Incorrect.

Possibly a nephew. But certainly not his son.

Yeah its his nephew. He'll be on the U20 panel this year. Should be anyway. That was the 2017 minor team who got awful beatings. But the minor/U17 in between that werent too bad so hopefully they will give a reasonable showing. Unkind draw away to Tipp so hard to expect much

willietherock

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Yeah its his nephew. He'll be on the U20 panel this year. Should be anyway. That was the 2017 minor team who got awful beatings. But the minor/U17 in between that werent too bad so hopefully they will give a reasonable showing. Unkind draw away to Tipp so hard to expect much

How did they end up going to CBC?

DiscoStew

willietherock wrote: »

How did they end up going to CBC?

The talk was that their father wasn’t happy with who was over the Harty team in BCS one year and told the principal if this teacher was over the Harty he would move the boys to another school. The teacher remained in charge and the boys transferred school.

Any game on in Walsh Park before Abbeyside v Mount Sion?

KevIRL

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Any game on in Walsh Park before Abbeyside v Mount Sion?

The camoige team beat Dublin earlier

Mastermcgrath

DiscoStew wrote: »

The talk was that their father wasn’t happy with who was over the Harty team in BCS one year and told the principal if this teacher was over the Harty he would move the boys to another school. The teacher remained in charge and the boys transferred school.

Nothing to do with hurling. The parent working in Cork and probably decided it was as handy have them in school there.

Mount Sion 0-22
Abbeyside 3-15
Full time

Michael Kiely scored a goal within 2 minutes to put Abbeyside ahead and they never lost the lead. Kiely was exceptional in the first half. Prunty also scored two nice long range points. Aussie scored 4 first half points from midfield and could have had a goal but shot too close to the keeper after a good run through. He ended up with 6 or 7 points in total including a sideline. Abbeyside led by 2-10 to 0-10 at the break. Mount Sion battled hard in the second half with Midget getting more involved after he was moved off Prunty (centre back) but could never draw level and the third goal made it too much of an uphill battle. Good game.

upthedeise16

Roanmore best Fourmilewater handy, think it was 6 in the end, poor match overall, Roanmore much better. Tallow beat Clonea by a goal in the opening match, was tight the whole way through

dobbs2210

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Mount Sion 0-22
Abbeyside 3-15
Full time

Did Aussie play for Mount Sion?

upthedeise16

dobbs2210 wrote: »

Did Aussie play for Mount Sion?

He did

dobbs2210

upthedeise16 wrote: »

He did

Good. How did he play? Fingers crossed he played well. Would be good to see him hit some form.

dobbs2210

dobbs2210 wrote: »

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Mount Sion 0-22
Abbeyside 3-15
Full time

Did Aussie play for Mount Sion?

Yeah just updated my last post with more info on the game. Aussie was midfield and played ok. Hit over some nice points. 4 in the first half and I think he hit 7 in the end. He’s some man to hit a pass from a sideline cut.
Went up forward for the last few minutes when they needed a goal and ended up on the ground wrestling with Prunty.

cul beag

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

Anything to Growler?

Fortunately they’re not related at all.

Stopitwillya

Some interesting posts over the last few weeks with plenty of ideas on how to improve Waterford gaa. With Waterford gaa standards going downhill I think it's time for some changes to our competitions.

First competition that I would look at are our senior competitions - Senior Hurling and Senior Football.
Senior Hurling and Football: A possible improvement could be:
16 teams, 4 groups of four.
3 of the groups made up of the 12 senior clubs. As is at the moment.
One group consisting of 4 new group teams with teams made up of junior and intermediate clubs (not senior clubs second teams that play these grades) from each area, Waterford Urban (Erin's Own, Mount Sion, Ferrybank, Passage, Ballygunner, Roanmore, De La Salle, St. Saviours, Butlerstown, Tramore, Naomh Pol), Waterford East (Ballyduff Lower, Fenor, Dunhill, Bunmahon, Portlaw, Clonea, Kill, Ballydurn, St. Mollerans, Kilmacthomas), Mid County (Kilrossanty, Abbeyside, Dungarvan, Brickies, An Rinn, Ballinameela, Geraldines, Kilgobnet, Stradbally, Modeligo, St. Mary's) and Far West (Ardmore, Clashmore, Tallow, Ballyduff Upper, Ballysaggart, Lismore, Cappaquin, Tourin, Colligan, Fourmilewater, Shamrocks). I may have skipped a club or two or got my geography wrong.

Anyway like at present each team gets 3 group games. Rounds 1,2 and 3.

Round 4 sees the 4 teams that came 1st in their group play a team that came 2nd in another group. The winners of these games goes into the quarter finals.

Also in round 4, teams that came 3rd in their group play a team that came 4th in another group. The losers of 3rd v 4th games are into relegation but group teams cannot be relegated do exit here.

Round 5 The winner of 3rd v 4th in Round 4 play the losers of the 1st v 2nd games. The winners of these matches join the other 4 teams in the quarter finals.

Quarter final, Semi Final and then the County Final.

Benefits of this would be that more players get access to playing at a higher standard, especially players from junior or intermediate clubs. The group games from the group teams would be played midweek under lights so as not to interfere with the junior and intermediate championships.

Group teams have being tried before and were a disaster. I can remember playing myself against these teams and thrashing them. The reason why was the group teams were so badly organised. Here is where our gdas/gpos/full time coaches should play their part. At present I think we have 4 full time coaching personnel and each one of these should be given a group team that they are responsible for. If their group team is a disaster then it will reflect badly on that full time coach. I'm pretty sure they will make it work for their own sake. These coaches already have worked in these areas, should know the best players but should also know interested coaches/ selectors in their area through delivering coach education courses. Players who may have played with underage county teams will no longer see their standards dropping due to playing at a lower level with their club once they finish playing underage with the county. Likewise players who never played underage county but improved as they get older will be given the opportunity to test themselves against the best in the county.

The second big problem for senior players in both grades is the inactivity while our county teams are competing. Let's be honest the Waterford county leagues are a bit of a joke, with walkovers often given and league finals often being played the following year. I believe a proactive county secretary could and should set up a South East league in both hurling and football in cooperation with the other paid secretaries from Wexford, kilkenny, Carlow and Tipperary. Groups could be established with maybe 5 or 6 clubs in a group. Group games are played Jan to March. The top 3 teams in each group then go onto the knockout stages which would be played in may and June. The benefit of this is players get regular games against teams from other counties in a competitive environment. I know many senior clubs already play challenge games against clubs from other counties but I'm sure players from these clubs get sick of playing challenge games and would prefer more competitive games with a trophy/championship at stake.

Anyway just some thoughts on how we can improve. Would like to hear other posters thoughts or even better would be some new ideas to improve the lot of our adult players and teams.

Stopitwillya

Also I would like to see the county secretary set up an over 35s competition for both hurling and football. Waterford soccer has such a league with about 16 teams in it I believe.
This would give older players the chance to still play without having to run around after young fellas. If you are over 35 and playing at a higher level already (Dan shanahan) you can't play both grades.
The major benefit to this would be that it keeps older players involved in their clubs and they would then be more likely to help out and get involved with other adult or underage teams if they feel more apart of the club.
Of course clubs should be allowed join to make a combined team if they don't have the full numbers for a team.

cul beag

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Also I would like to see the county secretary set up an over 35s competition for both hurling and football. Waterford soccer has such a league with about 16 teams in it I believe.
This would give older players the chance to still play without having to run around after young fellas. If you are over 35 and playing at a higher level already (Dan shanahan) you can't play both grades.
The major benefit to this would be that it keeps older players involved in their clubs and they would then be more likely to help out and get involved with other adult or underage teams if they feel more apart of the club.
Of course clubs should be allowed join to make a combined team if they don't have the full numbers for a team.

Some very interesting proposals and ones that could and should be looked at.

_blaaz

cul beag wrote: »

Some very interesting proposals and ones that could and should be looked at.

Surely we should be working to get youth involved and tackling why so many drop out...instead of aiming at keeping ould lads in the game

It's fairly bad out. Presumably Walsh Park will take the rain this time of year and the matches will go ahead?

mountgomery burns

Plenty of clubs struggling to field teams relying on 17 yr olds and lads over 35 to do so. So I can't see how you could think there would be appetite for an over 35s competition.

puzl

I'd say a lot of lads over 35 just wouldn't be able to contribute to game where most of the players are 20-25. Now give them a pitch with 29 other hasbeens and they might have a crack at it. I still would agree with you and would be surprised if the demand is there.

Deisegodeo

Result in first game at Walsh park is a win for dls over passage, 2-15 to 1-12. Deserved win in poor conditions for hurling

Deisegodeo

Ballygunner beat dungarvan in the second game at Walsh park. Finished 1-18 to 0-14 after dungarvan were a po8nt up at half time and should have been further ahead.

Thought Dungarvan could have pushed on a bit better in the second half against a weakened Ballygunner side. Not good when Ballygunner were missing about 5 of their usual starting defenders and they still win. Great penalty save by SOK in the first half.

Passage put in a better second half effort against de la Salle but just not good enough on the day.

thesaturdayman

puzl wrote: »

I'd say a lot of lads over 35 just wouldn't be able to contribute to game where most of the players are 20-25. Now give them a pitch with 29 other hasbeens and they might have a crack at it. I still would agree with you and would be surprised if the demand is there.

I would say there definitely is demand there