Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

deiseach

Deiseen wrote: »

And then in 10 years we will be stuck with the worst stadium in Ireland again...

Why dont they target the next RWC bid? Go to government and say we want to build a decent 30,000+ stadium and we need funds to do it. This will be another decent stadium in a city which can only help the bid. I know 30,000+ might sound excessive to some but this is what we should be aiming for, not a cellotape and plaster job of a dirthole.

Any government that supported another RWC bid and/or gave money to the GAA to build another 30,000+ capacity stadium in Munster would deserve to be absolutely hammered at the election that followed.

Deiseen

deiseach wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

And then in 10 years we will be stuck with the worst stadium in Ireland again...

Why dont they target the next RWC bid? Go to government and say we want to build a decent 30,000+ stadium and we need funds to do it. This will be another decent stadium in a city which can only help the bid. I know 30,000+ might sound excessive to some but this is what we should be aiming for, not a cellotape and plaster job of a dirthole.

Any government that supported another RWC bid and/or gave money to the GAA to build another 30,000+ capacity stadium in Munster would deserve to be absolutely hammered at the election that followed.

I get where your coming from but populations are going up. waterford is expected to have a particularly high population growth.

15,000-25,000 will not be fit for purpose in 10 years.

parish girl

I think Dungarvan is the place for the Stadium. Better parking, atmosphere, food/refreshment options. Turn the pitch around in Father field and make it 20k venue. I have been going to games in Walsh park for 30 years and it has nothing appealing , poor parking, no nearby eat/drink options. Just imagine the Square on match day....

Deiseen

parish girl wrote: »

I think Dungarvan is the place for the Stadium. Better parking, atmosphere, food/refreshment options. Turn the pitch around in Father field and make it 20k venue. I have been going to games in Walsh park for 30 years and it has nothing appealing , poor parking, no nearby eat/drink options. Just imagine the Square on match day....

The applemarket/ballybricken in Waterford are the same distance to WP as the square is to Fraher field, much more pubs and food options in the city.
Infinitely more parking options in the city with 3/4 club pitches within short distance to Waterford and then much more parking in the centre. Parking on the road is not an option at either stadiums.
At the moment, Walsh Park is a get in and get out job (so is Fraher field). If the facilities were improved and the capacity was improved allowing it to host bigger games then the amenities in the area become much more obvious.
In Thurles, ya'd have to park 20/30 mins from the stadium and I have never once heard anyone complain about the parking.

fricatus

Deiseen wrote: »

And then in 10 years we will be stuck with the worst stadium in Ireland again...

Why dont they target the next RWC bid? Go to government and say we want to build a decent 30,000+ stadium and we need funds to do it. This will be another decent stadium in a city which can only help the bid. I know 30,000+ might sound excessive to some but this is what we should be aiming for, not a cellotape and plaster job of a dirthole.

This is the kind of thinking we need, not just some "arra shur twill do" job.

I opened a thread in the Waterford City forum about this, because I think there's room for a stadium on the old Gasworks site.

Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but I'd love to see the Waterside option discussed seriously.

Deiseen

fricatus wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

And then in 10 years we will be stuck with the worst stadium in Ireland again...

Why dont they target the next RWC bid? Go to government and say we want to build a decent 30,000+ stadium and we need funds to do it. This will be another decent stadium in a city which can only help the bid. I know 30,000+ might sound excessive to some but this is what we should be aiming for, not a cellotape and plaster job of a dirthole.

This is the kind of thinking we need, not just some "arra shur twill do" job.

I opened a thread in the Waterford City forum about this, because I think there's room for a stadium on the old Gasworks site.

Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but I'd love to see the Waterside option discussed seriously.

I don't know if the Gasworks site would be big enough but it wud be ideal.

Theres something to be said for the Waterford crystal grounds too.

Tramore84

Deiseen wrote: »

And then in 10 years we will be stuck with the worst stadium in Ireland again...

Why dont they target the next RWC bid? Go to government and say we want to build a decent 30,000+ stadium and we need funds to do it. This will be another decent stadium in a city which can only help the bid. I know 30,000+ might sound excessive to some but this is what we should be aiming for, not a cellotape and plaster job of a dirthole.

We don't need a 30000 capacity stadium, a 15-20000 stadium, that would be full at least twice a year is more than sufficient Disappointing to hear there isn't a clear vision at C Board level

Deiseen

Tramore84 wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

And then in 10 years we will be stuck with the worst stadium in Ireland again...

Why dont they target the next RWC bid? Go to government and say we want to build a decent 30,000+ stadium and we need funds to do it. This will be another decent stadium in a city which can only help the bid. I know 30,000+ might sound excessive to some but this is what we should be aiming for, not a cellotape and plaster job of a dirthole.

We don't need a 30000 capacity stadium, a 15-20000 stadium, that would be full at least twice a year is more than sufficient Disappointing to hear there isn't a clear vision at C Board level

If we consider ourselves to be any kind of a city then we should be aiming for that RWC gravy train. That means a 30,000+ stadium that will be paid for with Rugby money but which Waterford GAA will see the benefits of for generations.

fricatus

Deiseen wrote: »

I don't know if the Gasworks site would be big enough but it wud be ideal.

I went on to Google Maps and took the footprint of Semple Stadium (on the basis that it won't need to be any bigger than that), which I tried to apply to sites in and around the city. IIRC, the Waterside car park was almost big enough, and if you took in the Johnstown Industrial Park, there was enough space.

deiseach

Deiseen wrote: »

I get where your coming from but populations are going up. waterford is expected to have a particularly high population growth.

15,000-25,000 will not be fit for purpose in 10 years.

Even if I accepted the proposition that Waterford is going to experience high population growth (I don't), we'd still be building a 30,000+ capacity stadium to host two Munster hurling championship games a year and a Munster final about once a decade - if we were lucky. Games against Clare and Limerick would get nowhere near to such a capacity. But I guess the game we'd host between Georgia and Tonga would make it all worthwhile.

Stopitwillya

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

I believe that the idea of the current management staying on is being led by some of the players . Apparently 9 players have indicated that they will be leaving the panel if the current management aren't staying on . Crazy stuff

Let them leave the panel then.
Herein lies the mindset that shows that these players will never win an All Ireland.
These no doubt are the same players who ousted the last manager to bring in McGrath. 5 years later and despite winning minor and under 21 all irelands we are about to finish last in Munster and have league games against the likes of Carlow to look forward to next year. Its time for a new look team both on and off the field.

lertsnim

Deiseen wrote: »

The applemarket/ballybricken in Waterford are the same distance to WP as the square is to Fraher field

Would you go away out of that. Its only a five minute walk from the square in Dungarvan to Fraher Field.

PTH2009

https://soundcloud.com/wlrfmwaterford/waterford-county-board-chairman-paddy-joe-ryan-and-secretary-pat-flynn-on-the-future-of-walsh-park

Deiseen

deiseach wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

I get where your coming from but populations are going up. waterford is expected to have a particularly high population growth.

15,000-25,000 will not be fit for purpose in 10 years.

Even if I accepted the proposition that Waterford is going to experience high population growth (I don't), we'd still be building a 30,000+ capacity stadium to host two Munster hurling championship games a year and a Munster final about once a decade - if we were lucky. Games against Clare and Limerick would get nowhere near to such a capacity. But I guess the game we'd host between Georgia and Tonga would make it all worthwhile.

Legaue quarters? Semis? Munster finals? AI Quarter finals? More games due to expanded tournament? Competitive football team(i wish)?

Your literally trying to put this in the smallest box you can. The North Quays is an example of the kind of thinking that we need in Waterford. No more of this market town BS.

The government are expecting population growth of 27,000 to 32,000 in Waterford City alone by 2040. All other places in ireland will increase with population too, this means more fans from both sides.

We need to have a comparable product here and that is something that we just will not have with a 15,000/20,000 stadium.

Deiseen

lertsnim wrote: »

Deiseen wrote: »

The applemarket/ballybricken in Waterford are the same distance to WP as the square is to Fraher field

Would you go away out of that. Its only a five minute walk from the square in Dungarvan to Fraher Field.

How fast do you walk? Its over a kilometre to there from the square!

PTH2009

we prob walk the Equalivant of the Quay/John Roberts Square-Walsh Park in Thurles/Limerick/Croke Park etc and dont even knw it

We dont have the pubs/restraunts etc to deal with a huge championship crowds ATM at the main hubs (areas near Walsh park). Im talking about making Ballybricken and Barrack Street hubs for the new developed Walsh park. The Lisduggan shopping centre is also a bit outdated and has nothing much

Thurles is a great town with lots of pubs/food places and would put the city to shame

deiseach

Oh for crying out loud. Even if League knockout games are retained, and I doubt they will be, we can host League quarter-finals already and League semi-finals are usually played at neutral venues that suit the competing counties. That means we'll be in a position to host any time Kilkenny and Wexford are in the semi-final. The world is littered with crumbling sports venues built as vanity projects. Let's not add Waterford to the list.

Deiseen

deiseach wrote: »

Oh for crying out loud. Even if League knockout games are retained, and I doubt they will be, we can host League quarter-finals already and League semi-finals are usually played at neutral venues that suit the competing counties. That means we'll be in a position to host any time Kilkenny and Wexford are in the semi-final. The world is littered with crumbling sports venues built as vanity projects. Let's not add Waterford to the list.

Pearse Stadium, Nowlan Park, PUC, Gaelic Grounds, Fitzgerald park, O' Connor Park, O' Moore park....
All crumbling!!!!

IanVW

This is the engineering company Pat Flynn mentioned are designing the new stadium
Www.horganlynch.ie

Deiseen

IanVW wrote: »

This is the engineering company Pat Flynn mentioned are designing the new stadium
Www.horganlynch.ie

Good to see they worked on CP!

dzer2

deiseach wrote: »

Oh for crying out loud. Even if League knockout games are retained, and I doubt they will be, we can host League quarter-finals already and League semi-finals are usually played at neutral venues that suit the competing counties. That means we'll be in a position to host any time Kilkenny and Wexford are in the semi-final. The world is littered with crumbling sports venues built as vanity projects. Let's not add Waterford to the list.

Kilkenny have a home and away agreement with most counties they rarely play on neutral grounds. But a decent home venue would enable them to have one with ye too

Deisedozzer

Sadly it looks like the County Board are about to pass up a second golden opportunity to give us a decent ground. There does not seem to be any creativity in relation to their thinking and its very much a band aid approach. Walsh Park is a kip, the pitch is a disgrace and the general area has nothing to offer supporters. Proceeding with what is planned will ensure we require another revamp in ten years time.

Deiseen

Deisedozzer wrote: »

Sadly it looks like the County Board are about to pass up a second golden opportunity to give us a decent ground. There does not seem to be any creativity in relation to their thinking and its very much a band aid approach. Walsh Park is a kip, the pitch is a disgrace and the general area has nothing to offer supporters. Proceeding with what is planned will ensure we require another revamp in ten years time.

What do you mean the area has nothing to offer?? You literally have ballybricken and the apple market within 15 minutes walk. I'd say I could name 20 pubs off tbe top of me head right now that are within 15 mins of WP.

Parking wise you have millers marsh, waterside, lisduggan, WIT, DLS, Mount Sion, St. Paul's, St. saviour's, Erin's Own, Roanmore - all of which could provide parking.

The apple market would be a great fan area.

Deisedozzer

Deiseen wrote: »

What do you mean the area has nothing to offer?? You literally have ballybricken and the apple market within 15 minutes walk. I'd say I could name 20 pubs off tbe top of me head right now that are within 15 mins of WP.

Parking wise you have millers marsh, waterside, lisduggan, WIT, DLS, Mount Sion, St. Paul's, St. saviour's, Erin's Own, Roanmore - all of which could provide parking.

The apple market would be a great fan area.

Let's call a spade a spade, I'm from Waterford and in comparison to Thurles, Cork, Limerick or Kilkenny, the surrounding area leaves a lot to be desired. A lot of our own supporters dislike the ground for that reason. Don't even get me started on the pitch...

Jjjjjjjbarry

No team for Sunday yet?

Tramore84

Deisedozzer wrote: »

Let's call a spade a spade, I'm from Waterford and in comparison to Thurles, Cork, Limerick or Kilkenny, the surrounding area leaves a lot to be desired. A lot of our own supporters dislike the ground for that reason. Don't even get me started on the pitch...

Not sure what you mean by 'surrounding area'. Plenty of decent folk living around those parts, if there are not enough hipster coffee places for your taste, well maybe you could start one up?

Gavlor

Deisedozzer wrote: »

Let's call a spade a spade, I'm from Waterford and in comparison to Thurles, Cork, Limerick or Kilkenny, the surrounding area leaves a lot to be desired. A lot of our own supporters dislike the ground for that reason. Don't even get me started on the pitch...

That has to be the worst post on the Waterford forum and god knows there’s been some muck on here.

So thurles town Centre, the docks in cork, ennis road are akin to Beverly Hills?

What a cock.

deiseach

dzer2 wrote: »

Kilkenny have a home and away agreement with most counties they rarely play on neutral grounds. But a decent home venue would enable them to have one with ye too

Care to guess how many times we've met Kilkenny in the League semi-final or final?

Giveitfong

Perhaps the people from Waterford City might consider cycling to matches in Dungarvan via the Déise Greenway. The end of the Greenway is less than 200 metres from Fraher Field and there would be no parking problems. And think of the health benefits!

hurler on de ditch

JeffKenna wrote: »

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

I agree with you. The guy who told me that this evening woujd be very close to a member of the panel and he would rarely tell you anything but he was raging at this

Thanks for sharing that.
I worry now that Derek has done more damage to Waterford hurling than anyone imagined previously.

Except me