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hurler on de ditch

DiscoStew wrote: »

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

They haven't even a decent lawnmower ,but as usual I don't blame them , I blame the people who put them in , shameful really ,

I am far from a county board supporter, the mind boggles at some of the stuff they have come out with and up with.. but seen as you mention the people who have elected them.
Are you yourself a member of a GAA club? On the clubs committee? Putting yourself forward as an officer? Attending county board meetings?
It’s very easy to criticise from the stand and in the pubs. To make changes you need people doing these things.
Personally I think this mess goes back a lot further than this current county board but it comes down to years of neglect from board after board. Putting huge levy’s on clubs to pay off an enormous debt created as they were unable to manage their finances adequately. Apparently the clubs will be levied again to pay for the new stadium while not so long ago thanking the clubs who had been paying the levy and promising they would not be hit further. Interestingly some clubs saw how weak the county board can be and simply refused to pay the levy, were told there would be sanctions which never happened. Hard to see too many clubs paying the new levy when others got away without paying the last one.

To answer some of the questions , yes I am a member of a Gaa club , yes I've served on committees both senior and juvenile, but a lot of the time someone with my train of thought,honesty or opinion are seldom listened to unless they come up with some new novel way of generating funds for the club, from my experience most decisions are made before the next meeting and usually they have enough YES men to go along and vote in favour or against whatever they decide , don't get me wrong these core of people are invaluable to the day today running of the club ,and the time they give is huge , bit sometimes a shake up is needed , as for being a club delegate ,well they would be YES men of a different calibre , this is my experience and I'm sure it is well replicated all over the county , the other thing is we have a disastrous system in what we call the Eastern and Western boards ,something has to give there , just my tuppence worth , just because my alias is Hurler on de ditch ,doesn't mean thats where I sit , I say what I believe to be my honest opinion and not to wind people up contrary to some people's beliefs ,

DiscoStew

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

To answer some of the questions , yes I am a member of a Gaa club , yes I've served on committees both senior and juvenile, but a lot of the time someone with my train of thought,honesty or opinion are seldom listened to unless they come up with some new novel way of generating funds for the club, from my experience most decisions are made before the next meeting and usually they have enough YES men to go along and vote in favour or against whatever they decide , don't get me wrong these core of people are invaluable to the day today running of the club ,and the time they give is huge , bit sometimes a shake up is needed , as for being a club delegate ,well they would be YES men of a different calibre , this is my experience and I'm sure it is well replicated all over the county , the other thing is we have a disastrous system in what we call the Eastern and Western boards ,something has to give there , just my tuppence worth , just because my alias is Hurler on de ditch ,doesn't mean thats where I sit , I say what I believe to be my honest opinion and not to wind people up contrary to some people's beliefs ,

Glad to hear your name doesn’t reflect your engagement with your club. I’d definitely agree with some of your points. Most clubs can be a little bit stuck in their ways, having officers in place for a long time or playing musical chairs as such as they swap roles. Engaging with the club committee is the way to go though, frustrating as it can be. That’s where clubs decide how they will vote. The delegates simply have to carry out the vote of the club committee.
Definitely time to cut these Eastern and Western boards. It only helps in creating a divide. The all county format has worked wonders at minor level. It would still be possible to run off some championships in West / East if required like say Junior football / Junior B hurling etc.
I don’t know what’s required to remove these boards but you can be sure there would be huge opposition from those on them boards. In fairness to those guys on the boards, I think their intentions are good but there’s no need for 3 boards with the number of teams we have in Waterford.

PTH2009

We all knew anyway but McGrath and Co are finished Sunday for definite

http://www.skysports.com/gaa/hurling/news/30543/11403217/derek-mcgrath-to-decline-remaining-as-waterford-boss

Worrying thing is the players asked him to stay and you have to wonder how many of the squad will commit for 2019. Have heard a few more players are planning on travelling next player

This is one of the most important managerial appointments in our history and we need the need the right men to take over

Btw the under 21s are out next weds against Cork in Pairc ui Rinn. Supposably Cork are very strong at this grade this year and we are not expected to win. Sean Power and Co in charge again this year

hurler on de ditch

PTH2009 wrote: »

We all knew anyway but McGrath and Co are finished Sunday for definite

http://www.skysports.com/gaa/hurling/news/30543/11403217/derek-mcgrath-to-decline-remaining-as-waterford-boss

Worrying thing is the players asked him to stay and you have to wonder how many of the squad will commit for 2019. Have heard a few more players are planning on travelling next player

This is one of the most important managerial appointments in our history and we need the need the right men to take over

Btw the under 21s are out next weds against Cork in Pairc ui Rinn. Supposably Cork are very strong at this grade this year and we are not expected to win. Sean Power and Co in charge again this year

Wow, thats great news ,I couldn't be happier ,years of frustration, good luck to him in the future ,hope he has success in anything he does, wouldn't wish any bad luck on him , but thrilled he's gone ,

KevIRL

PTH2009 wrote: »

We all knew anyway but McGrath and Co are finished Sunday for definite

http://www.skysports.com/gaa/hurling/news/30543/11403217/derek-mcgrath-to-decline-remaining-as-waterford-boss

Worrying thing is the players asked him to stay and you have to wonder how many of the squad will commit for 2019. Have heard a few more players are planning on travelling next player

This is one of the most important managerial appointments in our history and we need the need the right men to take over

Btw the under 21s are out next weds against Cork in Pairc ui Rinn. Supposably Cork are very strong at this grade this year and we are not expected to win. Sean Power and Co in charge again this year

He said today that nothing has been decided re next year. The Indo article has no quotes from anyone, so wouldnt take anything as certain yet.

mountgomery burns

thesaturdayman wrote: »

this beauty sticks out
particularly "On the performance of Galway whistler Alan Kelly and his officials, Ryan said: “No official or umpire went out on Sunday to do Waterford. We are disappointed we didn’t get the win and the two points. Things have happened that put teams out of the championship, this [call] didn’t put us out of the championship."

- in actual fact it did put us out (along with limerick Clare defeats) however if we had beaten tipp, we could still have qualified results depending against cork.

So excuse me for using the last 6 months as a prime example of incompetence & lack of professionalism at the highest echelons of Waterford GAA!!

These are the instances we know about, what about the ones we don't! Also re the county grounds, it needs to be highlighted that the current county board executives are broadly speaking in place 10-15-20 years plus! The chairman now, for example was chairman in 1996!!!

Some valid points raised, but he's spot on in that article. That goal did not knock Waterford put of the championship. It was 3 points in one match, and thats reality. We are brilliant at making excuses, time somebody took on a stand on that. And to be fair, the players and management responded in kind in their interviews even if behind the scenes they probably tried to channel it as motivation.

Also, how much will it cost to implement hawkeye in every ground never mind goal line technology? I assume there's a reason it hasn't even been rolled out. Look at how long its taken for goal line technology to be trialled in soccer, a multi billion dollar industry. Anyone calling for in the GAA is daft.

914

What really annoys me about Walsh Park is this excuse about the county end wall....

Statement from County Board
"Due to Health and Safety concerns and a reduction in capacity to approx. 8000 at Walsh Park because of the impending removal of the Western Boundary wall, Waterford GAA had no alternative but to seek for a deviation from the Munster Senior Hurling Championship Competition Regulations for a change of venue for the games against Tipperary and Cork."

The wall has been falling down for 5+ years which I reported several times and only this year was something done about it.

upthedeise16

Club fixtures are out:

June 29th-July 1st Senior hurling group game
July 13th-15th Senior football group game
July 27-29th Senior football playoffs
August 10th-12th Senior hurling playoffs
August 24th-26th Hurling quarter finals
September 7th-9th Football quarter finals

PTH2009

upthedeise16 wrote: »

Club fixtures are out:

June 29th-July 1st Senior hurling group game
July 13th-15th Senior football group game
July 27-29th Senior football playoffs
August 10th-12th Senior hurling playoffs
August 24th-26th Hurling quarter finals
September 7th-9th Football quarter finals

Should be all done in time anyway

Good few hurlers will have July off

Squinters

The players reaction is fairly telling. They're the ones giving up 5 or 6 evenings a week most of the year and notwithstanding the disappointing results they want Derek to stay. He's made some impression on some of them as men and unless the next pick as manager is the right one we could be looking at a J1 exodus next summer.

It's off-topic but I'd say the levels of commitment expected for most serious set-ups now is going to really impact on player-retention in the coming years especially. I don't have any stats to hand but there already seems to be a lot of players dropping off panels to go abroad or focus on their careers etc. It may not be a bad thing in the long run though, and might go some way towards reeling in the craziness of the training loads being experienced at intercounty level now.

PTH2009

Squinters wrote: »

The players reaction is fairly telling. They're the ones giving up 5 or 6 evenings a week most of the year and notwithstanding the disappointing results they want Derek to stay. He's made some impression on some of them as men and unless the next pick as manager is the right one we could be looking at a J1 exodus next summer.

It's off-topic but I'd say the levels of commitment expected for most serious set-ups now is going to really impact on player-retention in the coming years especially. I don't have any stats to hand but there already seems to be a lot of players dropping off panels to go abroad or focus on their careers etc. It may not be a bad thing in the long run though, and might go some way towards reeling in the craziness of the training loads being experienced at intercounty level now.

If he does stay on so be it but imo it's time for change and Derek has brought us as far as he can.

The new calender came in at the wrong time for us considering we were the AI final and we had our team holiday a few weeks before the league. Pre season for 2018 was prob mild compared to some teams but obv I don't knw what went on and prob will never find out.

Anyway Derek or whoever takes over for 2019 has plenty of time to sort things out. They could be back training by October. I wonder will we go back into the Munster league

Simo08

This talk of players going on J1s next summer is fairly disappointing. They either want to play for the county or they don't. I know there's mitigating factors like who's in charge etc but considering we were so close last year you would think lads really want to put the shoulder to the wheel and try to achieve something.

I know the intercounty scene is incredibly demanding on players now but its the same across the board for all teams. Looking at counties like KK or Tipp this type of thing doesn't seem to be an issue, players like TJ Reid and Seamus callinan had to bide their time on the fringes and now they have all Ireland medals.

The intercounty career and schedule is tough going but its becoming shorter and shorter surely the time is now to make hay and try win the big one.

mountgomery burns

Simo08 wrote: »

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I know the intercounty scene is incredibly demanding on players now but its the same across the board for all teams. Looking at counties like KK or Tipp this type of thing doesn't seem to be an issue, players like TJ Reid and Seamus callinan had to bide their time on the fringes and now they have all Ireland medals.

The intercounty career and schedule is tough going but its becoming shorter and shorter surely the time is now to make hay and try win the big one.

Both had all ireland medals by the age of 22.

C__MC

Why is Waterford v Monaghan in dungarvan? And not Walsh park?

KevIRL

C__MC wrote: »

Why is Waterford v Monaghan in dungarvan? And not Walsh park?

Wouldn't expect it to be in Walsh park, vast majority of the football squad are from the west of the county

KevIRL

Fred C Dobbs wrote: »

Virtually every county (throw in London and New York too) can host a championship match except Waterford ; this didn’t happen overnight so it’s not all down to the current county board. What is inexcusable, however, is how they rolled over with regard to the match venues this year.

I'm not one to defend the county board and agree they rolled over way to easily. But regarding order counties hosting games, it's a big difference for say new York hosting Leitrim, Carlow hosting offaly in football than hosting a big Munster championship game. Waterford can host similar smaller scale championship games as shown by the Waterford Monaghan game being on in Dungarvan.

willbeuptuesday

Because they want a crowd to show up, do you really think that people from Waterford City will support Gaelic Football. They don't even take it seriously in their clubs with the noticeable exception of Gailter. Football is mainly played in the West and there it should be played.

deiseach

We haven't played a football Championship match in Walsh Park since 2006 against Longford. The match against Monaghan will be the 12th home game since then, all of which were played in Fraher, so this is hardly a new development <insert "the grounds are not either" gag here>.

upthedeise16

deiseach wrote: »

We haven't played a football Championship match in Walsh Park since 2006 against Longford. The match against Monaghan will be the 12th home game since then, all of which were played in Fraher, so this is hardly a new development <insert "the grounds are not either" gag here>.

I know people from the city and the east won’t agree and I know the population is higher in the east but for me Fraher Field is the ideal GAA pitch in the county to be developed. Loads of space behind each stand to develop, space to put terraces behind each goal, 6 dressing rooms, ample parking out past the mart and into town and in car parks and the best surface in the county (when not abused). Imagine the Square on Munster championship day? It would be brilliant with a great atmosphere around the place!

deiseach

upthedeise16 wrote: »

I know people from the city and the east won’t agree and I know the population is higher in the east but for me Fraher Field is the ideal GAA pitch in the county to be developed. Loads of space behind each stand to develop, space to put terraces behind each goal, 6 dressing rooms, ample parking out past the mart and into town and in car parks and the best surface in the county (when not abused). Imagine the Square on Munster championship day? It would be brilliant with a great atmosphere around the place!

I'm from the east and I think there is definitely a case to be made for Fraher for all the reasons you mention. Lovely setting as well!

puzl

Sure even a cursory glance at fraher field on google maps shows how perfect it is for redevelopment. You wound't have much room for a terrace on the western end though.

I can't see it every happening. As a westerner myself, I really don't give a feic where it is built and just want to see something decent done as quickly as possible.

Deiseen

puzl wrote: »

Sure even a cursory glance at fraher field on google maps shows how perfect it is for redevelopment.    You wound't have much room for a terrace on the western end though.

I can't see it every happening.  As a westerner myself, I really don't give a feic where it is built and just want to see something decent done as quickly as possible.

Apparently the pitch would have to be rotated which would increase the cost too much.

Gardner

upthedeise16 wrote: »

I know people from the city and the east won’t agree and I know the population is higher in the east but for me Fraher Field is the ideal GAA pitch in the county to be developed. Loads of space behind each stand to develop, space to put terraces behind each goal, 6 dressing rooms, ample parking out past the mart and into town and in car parks and the best surface in the county (when not abused). Imagine the Square on Munster championship day? It would be brilliant with a great atmosphere around the place!

the square in dungarvan is an absolute **** hole.

keep the venue in the city close to services and infrastructure

puzl

Thus ended the lesson!

deiseach

puzl wrote: »

I can't see it every happening. As a westerner myself, I really don't give a feic where it is built and just want to see something decent done as quickly as possible.

If they get through the plan they have mooted for Walsh Park with bucket seats in the stand, proper terraces around two sides and dressing rooms down at the city end, it'll be a good day's work. Big if...

deiseach

puzl wrote: »

Thus ended the lesson!

PTH2009

Any word on the under 21s who play Cork next weds ???

Have heard Cork are very strong in the u21 dis season and going by our minor teams post 2014 we won't have a great squad this year at u21 but ya never knw

Hoping for a win sunday for the minors and it will give us diehards something to cheer for. Not expecting many to travel but hoping a few go for the minors and brick. A spirited performance by the seniors is needed and be nice to end this horrible season and a high even if a little bittersweet

C__MC

Thanks folks. Always thought Walsh park was the main GAA stadium but see now the logistics in having it in dungarvan!

cul beag

So the latest we’re hearing is that the current regime want to stay in power for another year. The feelers are being put out for a response. The next few weeks will be interesting.

Deiseen

cul beag wrote: »

So the latest we’re hearing is that the current regime want to stay in power for another year. The feelers are being put out for a response. The next few weeks will be interesting.

I have good time for Derek and appreciate what he has achieved BUT time has come, time to move on.