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PTH2009

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Take no prisoners

PTH2009 wrote: »

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Sound job pth. Completely forgot about tomasmc. Follow him on twitter myself and all. Cheers.

PTH2009

Ok crowd lots of Waterford/Limerick supporters in this section

PTH2009

Struggling with puck outs, Kearney and Aussie not in the game at all. Limerick seem too be picking up easy scores.

Motivator

Limerick are very sharp, dominating all over the pitch to be honest. Austin not in the game at all but he’s not the only one. Minimal scoring contribution from play but Waterford have started a lot of games very slowly this year so I think we should expect a big improvement in the second half but Limerick aren’t going to wilt. The wife is watching it with me here and is remarking how poor Gleeson has been throughout the league and the Clare game aside it’s very hard to argue with her.

bemmet

a Wonder goal from Gillane. A save one on one far end. And five points in it at half time. Two moments that could have turned it. Here’s hoping for a better second half from Waterford. Just like last week.

We shall see.

brinty

Unfortunately for all the talent Austin has when he's on his game days like today show he's so over hyped
Wide open spaces of Croke park he should be tasting up yes but yet again he's nowhere to be seen
When teams have a plan for him he's easily nullified

Limerick far too cute,fitter,faster,hungrier, more physical and much better drilled.

Eight point victory as it stands flatters Waterford

Deiseen

brinty wrote: »

Unfortunately for all the talent Austin has when he's on his game days like today show he's so over hyped
Wide open spaces of Croke park he should be tasting up yes but yet again he's nowhere to be seen
When teams have a plan for him he's easily nullified

Limerick far too cute,fitter,faster,hungrier, more physical and much better drilled.

Eight point victory as it stands flatters Waterford

Who is over hyping gleeson?

Deise Gael

How in God's name was Mikey Kearney kept on the field for an hour?

He's just not up to it.

Motivator

Wicked flat performance from Waterford today, the game never really got going at all and passed quite a few of our lads by. Limerick were full value for the win and they’ll be hard to beat this year. They’re the fittest and most skillful team around at the moment and good luck to them.

Waterford will learn a lot from today and they won’t be too disappointed with the result I would say, there’s bigger targets for the team further down the line. Disappointing performance but a game in Croke Park against an excellent team will bring them on an awful lot.

threeball

Deise Gael wrote: »

How in God's name was Mikey Kearney kept on the field for an hour?

He's just not up to it.

Gleeson should have been hooked long before anyone else. Once he let the ball over the sideline while striking a ball into corner forward it was time to call him ashore. He's one of the most hot and cold players I've ever seen.

PTH2009

One of those days but Limerick were far better and deserved too win by much more

Some players just didn't turn up today. Moran played well

Overall good league campaign but lots of work to be done before the 12th May. Clare game is crucial and a loss could be damaging for our championship hopes likewise a win could do wonders.

mickmackmcgoo

Some clear facts from today. Kevin Moran better not retire any time soon. Stephen Bennett missed a very poor free early in the second half and paraic took the rest , we know now who will be taking them in the championship. Kearney was very poor but he wasn't the only one. Limerick are different gravy physically, strength wise and have all the hurling too. They are a quality side and it's hard to see how we can compete with them in the short term . Will be difficult to get out of Munster. We can definitely beat Clare . Cork I'm not sure about

Deise_2012

We weren’t at the races today, fair enough. Let’s get over it, it will be a total different intensity come the summer. Overall we should be pleased with our league performances. Just didn’t happen today. Limerick are the benchmark and fair play to them.
We still have a number of players to come back such as Conor Gleeson, The Fives brothers, Maurice and Prunty. We’ve found two gems in Jack Prendergast and Callum Lyons so that makes competition for places even harder. The lads are off to their clubs for a few weeks now and then they’ll have 4/5 weeks to get things going again. Looking forward to the summer, Limerick are the strongest in Ireland atm but the other 4 teams in Munster are all well able to challenge for the other two spots.

Stacksofwacks

Tough game, I think Limerick maybe just wanted it that bit more, they would be eager to prove last year wasnt just a flash in the pan and they're absolutely flying it at the minute. Decent enough league for the new management and definitely reasons to be positive, although today was disappointing enough.

carter10

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Tough game, I think Limerick maybe just wanted it that bit more, they would be eager to prove last year wasnt just a flash in the pan and they're absolutely flying it at the minute. Decent enough league for the new management and definitely reasons to be positive, although today was disappointing enough.

Basically handed the game to Limerick with our incredibly ridiculous tactics. Handing them the initiative every puck out, allowing them to stroll out and pick off perfect passes to inside line. Junior B level stuff from the management team

Stacksofwacks

carter10 wrote: »

Basically handed the game to Limerick with our incredibly ridiculous tactics. Handing them the initiative every puck out, allowing them to stroll out and pick off perfect passes to inside line. Junior B level stuff from the management team

And so it begins..

Deiseen

threeball wrote: »

Gleeson should have been hooked long before anyone else. Once he let the ball over the sideline while striking a ball into corner forward it was time to call him ashore. He's one of the most hot and cold players I've ever seen.

Careful now, youll

BloodyBill

threeball wrote: »

Gleeson should have been hooked long before anyone else. Once he let the ball over the sideline while striking a ball into corner forward it was time to call him ashore. He's one of the most hot and cold players I've ever seen.

I wont hold Gleesons feet to the fire except to say his decisions are poor and that's his biggest problem. And as a poster alluded to he cant have a decent game. It either has to be 'Roy of the Rovers' or a disaster.
Waterford will improve alot but that was a serious loss. They tried to match Limerick at their game and they just arent physically at that pitch of performance. No harm you might say, but I'd say they needed to show a different gameplan than that. Limerick are very good. Hegarty is a joy. That big kids passing and touch..hes fun to watch. Unselfish too. Compare him to Gleeson. Gleeson has the better athletic ability but would Gleeson have held up the ball in that first half when only a hail Mary shot was on..Hegarty checked once ...nothing on...checked twice ...nothing and then laid it off. Ozzy would have gone..'Here goes Nothing'....Kaboom and aimed for row z

carter10

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

And so it begins..

I’m sorry, I didn’t realize we were to ignore the blatantly obvious. My bad

Motivator

I’m half wondering if Paraic took a leaf out of Justin’s book and set the team up to play in to Limerick’s hands? A few of the players looked fairly dejected after the final whistle standing watching the other team climbing the steps.

No better motivation needed heading into the summer.

BloodyBill

Motivator wrote: »

I’m half wondering if Paraic took a leaf out of Justin’s book and set the team up to play in to Limerick’s hands? A few of the players looked fairly dejected after the final whistle standing watching the other team climbing the steps.

No better motivation needed heading into the summer.

The more they lose the better they ll be is what your saying. Maybe they ll take that into the Championship. Clare will beat that Waterford team playing like that in May.

PTH2009

The greats teams of the McGrath's/Flynn/Mullane etc had the great Kilkenny and Cork teams and never got that big one

Now our so called "golden generation" have this great Limerick team and new Championship structure too deal with. Anyone can beat anyone nowadays in hurling

chinguetti

Well that was poor. Never got going and Limerick could have beaten them by another 6 or 8 points if they converted their chances. If you take Moran & Stephen Bennet - when he got a half decent ball - out of it, the rest played poor.

In my mind, we've two problems. The tippy tappy tactic is causing us to go down blind alleys and lose the ball and convert scores - see the Limerick point right near the end. It maybe a work in progress but too often the wrong option is taken. Hopefully this will improve as time goes on.

The second one is that we can't win any ball in the half forwards, they're not big enough or not trusted to do so (I'm not sure which it is) so we have to play this style which is ponderous to say the least.

Will we get out of Munster? That's hard to say as when you take Limerick out of it, its anyone's guess who are the other 2.

Motivator

PTH2009 wrote: »

The greats teams of the McGrath's/Flynn/Mullane etc had the great Kilkenny and Cork teams and never got that big one

Now our so called "golden generation" have this great Limerick team and new Championship structure too deal with. Anyone can beat anyone nowadays in hurling

The term “golden generation” has been used to describe this team for the past 5 years. A silly term if you ask me, the team of 2007 was the best Waterford team I’ve ever seen and possibly ever will see.

This current team is excellent, the best we’ve had since 2007 and I’m not writing them off yet, far from it. This team should have a big say in the business end of things this year but based on today there’s an awful lot to work on. Beaten by 8 and should have been more today but there are positives to be taken. Calum Lyons, Mikey Kearney and Jack Prendergast got big game experience in Croke Park. Not one of the team dropped their heads even when the game was beyond them. It can only bring them on and toughen them up and that’s a huge positive going forward. Today was a bad day but there’s plenty good days for us to have - it’s not even April yet lads don’t forget.

Fred C Dobbs

Reality check today. Never at the races. Limerick much more clinical in possession and taking scores.




Too many unforced errors. It's still a bit raw but very disappointed at the amount of aimless passes, often to players in poor positions or about to be swallowed up.

Only positives, I thought, were Lyons and McNulty, plus Moran in the 2nd half. Connors had a right old battle with Gillane.

Wife is from Mayo so at least had something to shout about.

puzl

Outclassed by a much better team in almost every position. Hopefully they'll learn a lot from today, players and management, because they have to find a way to beat this Limerick team to have any chance at silverware. I thought Moran was incredible today once he got going.

Road-Hog

Limerick may not get out of Munster this year. They will now be hyped up beyond belief by the media as invincible the new kk....3 in a row potential and more jut like Tipp were a few years ago......I’d be very surprised if they do back to backs.....possible I suppose but a long wAy to go. This time last year people were talking about a new kk era when they won the league

Jjjjjjjbarry

Disappointing to come out of Croke Park losing again and while the manner of defeat is the most concerning, it's not that much of a surprise as the signs were there. The last three games before today were won by coming from behind and Limerick are not to be messed with. We had no settled full back, no midfield partner for Barron and no functioning half forward line while we also have no settled free taker since Mahony came back and switching back and forth hasn't helped Bennett as once he misses one or two it's probably already in his head that he's coming off them.

The backs were under savage pressure today and in the first half, TDB and Connors did well and Moran finished up as probably our best player. Jamie Barron was quieter than he had been of late but can't be expected to carry the team every day. Not really sure what Fanning was expecting from Brick at this stage of his career against that Limerick midfield? Aussie needs to start putting in some better performances quick or he's heading for the bench and a 20 minute magic sub role and we need to think about who can play half forward. We all know his ability but it's just coming out less and less. I don't think he ran the ball once today and when he was unmarked and could have shot, he didn't. I wonder would Shane Bennett be an option out the field? He has a great engine and work rate. I know he plays well inside with Stephen but hasn't had much joy in the last two games. We were scoring goals for fun against the lesser teams but they've dried up lately. Stephen continues to play well even if things aren't always going his way.
I felt sorry for Calum Lyons getting pulled but he had a rough day getting dragged around. There was some load of space in front of the Waterford goal.

Things could have gone a bit better if Stephen Bennett had converted that goal chance and Gillane hadn't got that half brilliant, half lucky goal! I think Limerick were just the better team today and Gillane was just unmarkable at times. Limerick had a few more gears to shift I think.

Lots for our new manager to think about in the run up to championship. I think people were getting too carried over our recent comeback wins and as usual the pundits didn't help with their over the top praise and great hindsight opinions! When we win, we're title contenders and McGrath held us back and when we lose we're probably rubbish a different way. Reality is we've a new manager and that usually means good days and bad days while we find our feet. Unfortunately today was league final and we're probably heading into the championship a bit more confused and lower in confidence than we were this morning. One thing really obvious is that we have a lack of height in our team and don't seem to be able to use the benefits of smaller speedier players. Some of the balls into our forwards are terrible.

At least we got a trip to Croke Park and will be a great experience for lots of those new players. Today was only another step on a new journey and not the end of the world by any means.

Congratulations to Limerick on following up an All Ireland with a league title. Some achievement.

cul beag

Poor performance. Doesn’t help when you have players fundraising in a kube the Friday night of a national final but we can have no excuses on the day. Limerick were excellent and could have won by more only for the bad wides they struck in the second half. Physically they’re like heavyweights compared to us as middleweights at best but by god can they hurl with it. We can learn a lot from it for our championship game against them in Walsh Park.
The Gleason debate will continue but I’d be slow to write his obituary just yet. I believe he’s still over weight which I know isn’t ideal but he has time to correct that. 19 points playing poorly isn’t too bad when you think we missed two sitters but again I reiterate, we weren’t good enough on the day and were beaten by a far superior team.
It’ll be interesting what team he plays when he has everyone fit.