Anyone else feel that parents shouldn't be allowed to opt their kids out of sex ed?

Bitches Be Trypsin

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'd throw consent into that as well. Or, to but it more accurately, how to ask, how to say and hear yes and no.

Agreed!

Cupcake_Crisis

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'd throw consent into that as well. Or, to but it more accurately, how to ask, how to say and hear yes and no.

100%!!

Leinster Horse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/107133593#Comment_107133593

It's a human's right to believe in what they want. Forcing them to think otherwise is criminal, brainwashing and Nazi-esque.

The more you try and tell people what to think the more you entrench people's ways of thinking.

People have the right to believe in whatever they want.

And if people don't want schools brainwashing their kids then so be it.

I don't agree with everything people say in the world, but I will fight to the death for their freedom and right to say it.

It's called freedom of speech, and it's what 2 world wars were fought over.

Get used to it, people.

You can't have your cake and eat it ...

TherapyBoy

Freedom of speech has never been a right to say whatever you wanted to & walk away. If there are consequences from your freedom of speech, then you are responsible for them.

Donald Trump

I used to get awful complaints and trouble from parents for teaching sex ed to the sixth-year girls students. They were 18 at the time and it seemed automatic to me that they should know those things. But that was your typical conservative Catholic school - the principal even threatened to call the cops on me.

Although, to be fair to him, I wasn't even a teacher, never mind one at that school.

EmmetSpiceland

Whatever about sex ed but any parents that opt their kids out of the ‘Stay Safe Programme’ should be immediately suspect and reported to Tusla.

growleaves

No.

It isn't "neutral" to redefine promoting abstinence as abuse. It's tendentious in the extreme.

But mainly the problem with this is not the specifics but more that in lieu of shared community values you're talking about a top-down imposition of values which may be opposed and resented by some of the people you're forcing them on.

Maths, geography, technical drawing ARE neutral.

Opt-outs should be for things like Religion, Sex Ed.

Sunny Disposition

It's hard to know, there has been very poor sex education in the past obviously, especially if you saw what it was like in the UK.

As a country I think we still have some bad attitudes, sex was seen as the devil's work for so long, unless you were married. That's gone now, thankfully. But I still think we don't educate people in the right way really. I think pregnancy is often seen as a total disaster, and young people leave it too late in some cases to start families.

It's great that there is a lot of emphasis on consent now, young people need that.

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/107136438#Comment_107136438

Yeah, now that the religious side of it is gone, it's important that people with other agendas don't fill the void. No nuns, no anti Old Ireland reactionaries either please. For the kids sake give them the information in a simple and reasonable way, like one would teach them biology.

Sex education should be relatively simple, but unfortunately people with certain views are going to want to politicise it and make it more complex than it needs to be. We've had too much of that already in Ireland.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119307886#Comment_119307886

When did it become easy to teach teenagers to control their hormones and seek consent before doing anything involving another person's body? And to accept that if they don't have consent, they can't do what their feelings are telling them to do?

Strumms

If a parent requests that any child is of the ability to opt out of any part of the curriculum I’d simply insist that if they choose to do that they must seek alternative schooling.

BaywatchHQ

The only sex ed that would have been any relevance to me is a crash course in how to search for escorts as that was my only ever option for sex. I am not sure if I will ever try that out though due to my high inhibition. I think I could do it when drunk but it is still too embarrassing to get your 5 inch penis out Infront of a person.

Mister Vain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308743#Comment_119308743

Always with the pity party.

TooTired123

If the sex education is now going to include denying scientific facts (alleging that people can change sex etc, and that life doesn’t begin at conception) and the sex education is brought to children under the age of 12, then the sex education should definitely be opt in instead of opt out.

Subzero3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057876989/anyone-else-feel-that-parents-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-opt-their-kids-out-of-sex-ed

Sex Ed now is more of a liberal flag waving you can be a unicorn if you wish.

I would opt my kids out of that no problem and tell them the real facts like the good old days.

mariaalice

Is this actually an issue anymore? on average parents for whom this is in their orbit are going to be in their thirties to mid-fifties, familiar with the internet, online porn, and the like, living their lives in a wealthy first-world country.

The influence of the catholic church is dead they can't even get enough priests to keep churches open there are no secret catholic organisations trying to influence children and even if they tried they would be laughed out of it.

dorothylives

I think that kids should have non judgemental impartial sexual education in school. I think that parents should be fully informed of what's being taught. Parents should have the right to keep their kids away from the million and one genders and all that bolloxolgy though. There's no room in Sex Ed in schools for pseudoscience makey uppy biology. There's absolutely no way that kids should be indoctrinated into that crap and parents shouldn't be prevented from ensuring that their kids aren't exposed to it. There should be full education on LGB but the whole non binary, I identify as a unicorn crap has no place in schools.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310135#Comment_119310135

I agree.

I definitely would not opt my child into any sex education class that tells them "life begins at conception".

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119308743#Comment_119308743

a mid size family saloon can’t have been much of a comfort option? 🥺

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119311565#Comment_119311565

When does human life begin?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119313613#Comment_119313613

There are plenty of other threads you can have that debate on.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119314176#Comment_119314176

Scientific facts are not open to debate.

And you responded that you would opt your child OUT of a class if you found that actual proven agreed biological fact was being taught in that class, and I just reacted to that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119314555#Comment_119314555

As I just reacted to yours.

Its all in the delivery, and there are overtones to what you posted, and I'd prefer a class without those overtones.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

So what, exactly, are the facts according to science? When does life start? Can a human transition gender? As opposed to personal feelings or religious teachings in the issues?

Kind of need to know before you can say opting out should be allowed.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119314736#Comment_119314736

No personal feelings no religion.

science says that human life begins at conception.

My own opinion is that every single human life has equal value from conception till death.

My own opinion is that we can’t award lesser value to a human life because it is smaller, weaker, more vulnerable and more dependent then another life.

Those are just my opinions.

But science says that life begins at conception.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119314993#Comment_119314993

You weren't asked for your personal opinion.

But you still felt like you had to offer it "in the context" of answering a question about science.

Why is part of the reason why I would opt my child out.

Alex86Eire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119310168#Comment_119310168

Yes, sadly it is still an issue. Most commonly in our school its parents of students of other cultures/religions that most commonly want their kids exempt from sex ed.

McGinniesta

What do they actually teach the kids?

In my day it was Ann and Barry level and most of us were already ridin' by the time we got it.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119315088#Comment_119315088

I wasn’t replying to your post, I was replying to Princess.

You still haven’t explained properly why you would opt your child out of a sex Ed class which was going to be science based? Is that you think sex ed should only be grounded in personal feelings or something?

Incidentally, I’m puzzled as to you comment that I “wasn’t asked” for my personal opinion. Did you think that I had to ask your permission to give my personal opinion?? Why on earth would you think that?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119315088#Comment_119315088

So what answer world you accept your child receiving on a sex-ed class?